NBC/WSJ Poll Shows 64% Dissatisfied With Economy, 79% Dissatisfied With Direction

[chikenwing]

Only 23% approve of the Republican leaders in Congress

Congress: Republicans

Almost twice as many approve of President Obama

Here we go again with liberal members of this board not understanding what's called "weighting." Or in math terms, instead of 2+2=4, life is more like algebra or an algorithm instead of linear math.

You keep not understanding that right now the word "Republicans" has no face to it while "President" does.

RW, let's just bet 100 bucks now if you want. This poll clearly shows that if election were today, Dems would lose the Senate for sure.

And I personally see the foreign policy AND economic situation getting worse as we get to Nov.

Far from a "sure thing"

We have seen what has happened with Republican cockiness about winning the Senate in the last two elections

RealClearPolitics - 2014 Election Maps - Battle for the Senate

Ya just getting the house and a few senate sets and a very large number of states legislatures and many governorships are conveniently forgotten. The worm is turning ist just the way its going to go.

 

[saveliberty]

It would be a good time for a Republican to step up showing moderation and presidential qualities. Deny any interest in the job for a year or more.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Too bad neither party offers any real answer to that.

And as long as the cultists are busting their chops to keep the partisan bickering on the front burner, the solutions (or the efforts to find them) stay on the back burner.

as long as both sides continue to spin the motives and intentions of the other side, we will go nowhere.

Saying the GOP hated the sick and elderly during the ACA debate prevented the GOP ideas from being properly debated.

Saying the democrats want to enslave their base prevents a valid debate as it pertains to democratic ideas in assisting the poor.

I don't blame average Americans who have the ears of a few for doing it.

I blame our politicians...who have the ears of all Americans.

Exactly.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Too bad neither party offers any real answer to that.

And as long as the cultists are busting their chops to keep the partisan bickering on the front burner, the solutions (or the efforts to find them) stay on the back burner.

as long as both sides continue to spin the motives and intentions of the other side, we will go nowhere.

Saying the GOP hated the sick and elderly during the ACA debate prevented the GOP ideas from being properly debated.

Saying the democrats want to enslave their base prevents a valid debate as it pertains to democratic ideas in assisting the poor.

I don't blame average Americans who have the ears of a few for doing it.

I blame our politicians...who have the ears of all Americans.

What "GOP ideas"; all we heard was the PPACA will cost jobs, the government will have "death Panels" and it was SOCIALISM!

 

[JakeStarkey]

There were no positive GOP suggestions.

Now is the time to offer them.

 

[Jarhead]

There were no positive GOP suggestions.

Now is the time to offer them.

Correction...

There were no GOP suggestions that you deemed as viable.

You think like our current president thinks. If it is not a democratic idea, it is not worth considering.

For example...the reason medical costs are so high is because medical costs are so high.....

No. Not an error....THE REASON MEDICAL COSTS ARE SO HIGH IS BECUASE MEDICAL COSTS ARE SO HIGH.

So what should be the first thing you look at to lower medical costs?

I have an idea. Look at WHY medical costs are so high.

Hmmm....ask any PC.....what is your most expensive operating cost?

Everyone of them will answer mal practice insurance.

Take it from there.

But, of course, tort reform was a bad idea.

 

[Jarhead]

And as long as the cultists are busting their chops to keep the partisan bickering on the front burner, the solutions (or the efforts to find them) stay on the back burner.

as long as both sides continue to spin the motives and intentions of the other side, we will go nowhere.

Saying the GOP hated the sick and elderly during the ACA debate prevented the GOP ideas from being properly debated.

Saying the democrats want to enslave their base prevents a valid debate as it pertains to democratic ideas in assisting the poor.

I don't blame average Americans who have the ears of a few for doing it.

I blame our politicians...who have the ears of all Americans.

What "GOP ideas"; all we heard was the PPACA will cost jobs, the government will have "death Panels" and it was SOCIALISM!

Of course that was all you heard. That is because you have selective hearing. Sure, they said that, but they said a lot more than that.

You opted to ignore the rest because your Lords told you to.

 

[nodoginnafight]

There were no positive GOP suggestions.

Now is the time to offer them.

I'm willing to listen to Democratic suggestions as well.

But I don't think either party has any ideas. They just count on their cultists to go out there and perpetuate partisan bickering. And as long as the discussion is partisan bickering, then no one has to do the hard work of sorting through all this and coming up with a real plan with real measurable objectives and real benchmarks so we can assess the program as we go.

 

[EconChick]

How far we have descended from the sunny optimism of Ronald Reagan!!



Did Reagan try to scare us? Nope. That was the Left's job. They wanted us to drop to our knees, admit what a bunch of fuckups we all were, and fellate the Russian leader.

Who does that sound like today?

As usual, your bearings are somewhat off. (Btw, I notice you still haven't answered my formula question that was actually relevant to the discussion.)

During the Carter years, NO ONE was happy. Everyone was pissing and moaning in both parties. Reagan was running for President. Do any of US look like we're running for President? No, we're the electorate. Just like the unhappy people were during Carter.

As usual, your ability to draw analogies is weak.

 

[EconChick]

There were no positive GOP suggestions.

Now is the time to offer them.

I'm willing to listen to Democratic suggestions as well.

But I don't think either party has any ideas. They just count on their cultists to go out there and perpetuate partisan bickering. And as long as the discussion is partisan bickering, then no one has to do the hard work of sorting through all this and coming up with a real plan with real measurable objectives and real benchmarks so we can assess the program as we go.

Yo, geniuses. It's not much different from what Reagan did. You know why? Because it's tried and true. Except for modifications here and there, it's either basically a supply side approach, or a demand side approach (Keynes).

Or put an even simpler way...generally tax and spend....or generally cut taxes and cut spending. Notice I said generally. Of course some of you will display your inability to read, but for those who are actually trying to learn and not spout union talking points.

 

[nodoginnafight]

There were no positive GOP suggestions.

Now is the time to offer them.

I'm willing to listen to Democratic suggestions as well.

But I don't think either party has any ideas. They just count on their cultists to go out there and perpetuate partisan bickering. And as long as the discussion is partisan bickering, then no one has to do the hard work of sorting through all this and coming up with a real plan with real measurable objectives and real benchmarks so we can assess the program as we go.

Yo, geniuses. It's not much different from what Reagan did. You know why? Because it's tried and true. Except for modifications here and there, it's either basically a supply side approach, or a demand side approach (Keynes).

Or put an even simpler way...generally tax and spend....or generally cut taxes and cut spending. Notice I said generally. Of course some of you will display your inability to read, but for those who are actually trying to learn and not spout union talking points.

I don't think incurring more debt is the correct solution.

 

[EconChick]

I am curious though. Why do you embrace something as flawed as libertarian economics?

Um, I don't fit into a nice clean category. I don't want to get rid of the Fed like my libertarian brethren do for example.

As for flawed, there is nothing more flawed than Keynesian economics. As the polls consistently show.............

Uhhh.. what does a poll have to do with proving or disproving economic theory?

That's really not how this works, that's not how any of this works.

You gotta be kidding me?

The stats are so fucking contorted by the idiots in the WH and the idiots in the press (who couldn't understand complex math if their lives depended on it) that unless you've spent many years like I have breaking down the numbers, the average American is completely confused by the superficial numbers because they know they don't match their realities.

Just look on the thread where the Unemployment rate went back up. There were excuses about the Labor Part Rate. Which the rest of us have been saying for years now is the reason the rate going DOWN did not mean what it used to mean.

And THAT is why the polls are meaningful. As someone who knows the numbers behind the superficial stats, the polls are moving in concert with the REAL numbers beneath the surface.

But you're welcome to stick to the contorted "official" numbers that no one believes.

 

[RoadVirus]

Obama Hits All-Time Low in Polls


Pres. Obama hits all-time low in The NBC/WSJ poll

 

[nodoginnafight]

I am curious though. Why do you embrace something as flawed as libertarian economics?

Um, I don't fit into a nice clean category. I don't want to get rid of the Fed like my libertarian brethren do for example.

As for flawed, there is nothing more flawed than Keynesian economics. As the polls consistently show.............

Uhhh.. what does a poll have to do with proving or disproving economic theory?

That's really not how this works, that's not how any of this works.

You are correct.

It only works if you are trying to grind a political ax and the data doesn't conform to your partisan leanings.

 

[JakeStarkey]

RoadVirus, absolutely a racist cartoon but a great one nonetheless.

EconChisk, STUF if you can't be consistent because what you are yelling about above is what you were yelling against in another thread. Unless being consistent is being a hack for you

 

[EconChick]

Obama Hits All-Time Low in Polls


Pres. Obama hits all-time low in The NBC/WSJ poll

Thanks for making me laugh so hard, RoadVirus!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let's just remember for comparison,

Romney's plan was to cut taxes MORE, increase military spending, not touch Medicare for ten years, nor Social Security,

and with all that, somehow put us on the path to a balanced budget.

What do you think the odds are that plan would have been working, two years into it?

 

[EconChick]

RoadVirus, absolutely a racist cartoon but a great one nonetheless.

EconChisk, STUF if you can't be consistent because what you are yelling about above is what you were yelling against in another thread. Unless being consistent is being a hack for you

Look Jakey Fakey, you've discredited yourself almost more than any lib on here. Why in the world would you think I'd GAF about what you think?

You can't even spell STFU right, you dolt. You are certainly the consummate clown.

And like I've said before, you have a rigid black and white brain that couldn't understand "weighting" if your ass depended on it.

Now you STFU.

 

[EconChick]

Um, I don't fit into a nice clean category. I don't want to get rid of the Fed like my libertarian brethren do for example.

As for flawed, there is nothing more flawed than Keynesian economics. As the polls consistently show.............

Uhhh.. what does a poll have to do with proving or disproving economic theory?

That's really not how this works, that's not how any of this works.

You are correct.

It only works if you are trying to grind a political ax and the data doesn't conform to your partisan leanings.

Oh, look....more clod pates commenting from the nose bleed bleachers.

 

[EconChick]

RoadVirus, absolutely a racist cartoon but a great one nonetheless.

EconChisk, STUF if you can't be consistent because what you are yelling about above is what you were yelling against in another thread. Unless being consistent is being a hack for you

Btw, Fakey. Just some friendly feedback. The way you talk gives me a visual of you looking just like the dudes in your avatar. You know....with big beer bellies and no backbone.

If you don't look like that, I'd suggest you come up with a more masculine, or at least interesting avatar, because it's what I see every time I see your avatar pop up.