Navy Seal Chief Edward Gallagher

[Crixus]

It's kind of strange that the case isn't getting much publicity. Chief Gallagher is facing Court Martial on a charge of killing an ISIS fighter but his helmet cam apparently clears him so the Navy doubled down and accused him of opening fire on civilians. Gallagher claims that he is being framed by Seals who resent his strong leadership. Republican congressman Duncan Hunter is apparently convinced of his innocence and rumor has it that President Trump is set to pardon him. So what the hell is going on in the Seal world? Are Navy Seals really trying to frame their own CPO? This is more troubling than posing in a photo with an enemy corpse.

Clinton, Bush and Obama era officers.

 

[Crixus]

The Gallagher issue brings up the differences in the modern Military mission. Marines are just green kids who learn to follow orders in Boot Camp better than most other branches and as Admiral Nimitz said it during WW2 "uncommon valor was a common virtue". Army Airborne and Special Forces are full of hard charger motivated kids who follow orders and often achieve greatness. The SEALS are a different breed. They are motivated enough to withstand hypothermia in special training but not much else. SEALS distinguished themselves in the sniper killing of the pirates who hijacked a commercial ship and kidnapped an American but that's just about it and that's the limited SEAL mission in a nutshell. Other than that Seals get the the same sniper training as Marines and Army Special forces. Marcus Luttrell's best seller didn't deal with victory, it focused on failure. The point is why were SEALS sent to eliminate Bin Ladin when Marines and Army special forces were just as skilled? The short answer is that SEALS have become the private little military force of the CIA and they are accountable to no military leadership including the Pentagon. Seals are a loose cannon. That brings the issue back to CPO Gallagher. By all accounts he is a hard charger of hard chargers but why are the kids under his command whining about his leadership? The short answer is that SEALS are no supermen, they are kids who are filled with bullshit and celebrity legend and easily offended about the harsh realities of modern warfare. My guess is that the CIA decided that CPO Gallagher should be eliminated for some reason and the dumb assed kids went along with it and filled the NY Times with bogus crap.

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

You got a thing for rich white boys who buy their respect doncha?

 

[Crixus]

It's kind of strange that the case isn't getting much publicity. Chief Gallagher is facing Court Martial on a charge of killing an ISIS fighter but his helmet cam apparently clears him so the Navy doubled down and accused him of opening fire on civilians. Gallagher claims that he is being framed by Seals who resent his strong leadership. Republican congressman Duncan Hunter is apparently convinced of his innocence and rumor has it that President Trump is set to pardon him. So what the hell is going on in the Seal world? Are Navy Seals really trying to frame their own CPO? This is more troubling than posing in a photo with an enemy corpse.

Duncan Hunter? The one under indictment for his own dishonesty?

Plywood Pete. Savior of the great white north ?

 

[whitehall]

The Gallagher issue brings up the differences in the modern Military mission. Marines are just green kids who learn to follow orders in Boot Camp better than most other branches and as Admiral Nimitz said it during WW2 "uncommon valor was a common virtue". Army Airborne and Special Forces are full of hard charger motivated kids who follow orders and often achieve greatness. The SEALS are a different breed. They are motivated enough to withstand hypothermia in special training but not much else. SEALS distinguished themselves in the sniper killing of the pirates who hijacked a commercial ship and kidnapped an American but that's just about it and that's the limited SEAL mission in a nutshell. Other than that Seals get the the same sniper training as Marines and Army Special forces. Marcus Luttrell's best seller didn't deal with victory, it focused on failure. The point is why were SEALS sent to eliminate Bin Ladin when Marines and Army special forces were just as skilled? The short answer is that SEALS have become the private little military force of the CIA and they are accountable to no military leadership including the Pentagon. Seals are a loose cannon. That brings the issue back to CPO Gallagher. By all accounts he is a hard charger of hard chargers but why are the kids under his command whining about his leadership? The short answer is that SEALS are no supermen, they are kids who are filled with bullshit and celebrity legend and easily offended about the harsh realities of modern warfare. My guess is that the CIA decided that CPO Gallagher should be eliminated for some reason and the dumb assed kids went along with it and filled the NY Times with bogus crap.

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

There is no question that Kerry recommended himself for the Star just as he recommended himself for a self inflicted Heart when he was hit in the ass with a grenade splinter from a grenade he threw into a V.C. cache of rice.Of course it had to be approved but Kerry was able to recommend himself for a Star and a Heart because he was the only commander around. Most 2nd Lt's are too honorable for such nonsense but to a future politician anything is possible. Gallagher is not charged with killing civilians.

 

[SandSquid]

The Gallagher issue brings up the differences in the modern Military mission. Marines are just green kids who learn to follow orders in Boot Camp better than most other branches and as Admiral Nimitz said it during WW2 "uncommon valor was a common virtue". Army Airborne and Special Forces are full of hard charger motivated kids who follow orders and often achieve greatness. The SEALS are a different breed. They are motivated enough to withstand hypothermia in special training but not much else. SEALS distinguished themselves in the sniper killing of the pirates who hijacked a commercial ship and kidnapped an American but that's just about it and that's the limited SEAL mission in a nutshell. Other than that Seals get the the same sniper training as Marines and Army Special forces. Marcus Luttrell's best seller didn't deal with victory, it focused on failure. The point is why were SEALS sent to eliminate Bin Ladin when Marines and Army special forces were just as skilled? The short answer is that SEALS have become the private little military force of the CIA and they are accountable to no military leadership including the Pentagon. Seals are a loose cannon. That brings the issue back to CPO Gallagher. By all accounts he is a hard charger of hard chargers but why are the kids under his command whining about his leadership? The short answer is that SEALS are no supermen, they are kids who are filled with bullshit and celebrity legend and easily offended about the harsh realities of modern warfare. My guess is that the CIA decided that CPO Gallagher should be eliminated for some reason and the dumb assed kids went along with it and filled the NY Times with bogus crap.

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

You got a thing for rich white boys who buy their respect doncha?

Nope. Just a fan of America, and those who fought for her. I get that Hanoi Jane was really popular. Not with me though. And I'm definitely not willing to lie to deride our troops. Not willing to spit at those who fought and bled for America.

 

[Crixus]

The Gallagher issue brings up the differences in the modern Military mission. Marines are just green kids who learn to follow orders in Boot Camp better than most other branches and as Admiral Nimitz said it during WW2 "uncommon valor was a common virtue". Army Airborne and Special Forces are full of hard charger motivated kids who follow orders and often achieve greatness. The SEALS are a different breed. They are motivated enough to withstand hypothermia in special training but not much else. SEALS distinguished themselves in the sniper killing of the pirates who hijacked a commercial ship and kidnapped an American but that's just about it and that's the limited SEAL mission in a nutshell. Other than that Seals get the the same sniper training as Marines and Army Special forces. Marcus Luttrell's best seller didn't deal with victory, it focused on failure. The point is why were SEALS sent to eliminate Bin Ladin when Marines and Army special forces were just as skilled? The short answer is that SEALS have become the private little military force of the CIA and they are accountable to no military leadership including the Pentagon. Seals are a loose cannon. That brings the issue back to CPO Gallagher. By all accounts he is a hard charger of hard chargers but why are the kids under his command whining about his leadership? The short answer is that SEALS are no supermen, they are kids who are filled with bullshit and celebrity legend and easily offended about the harsh realities of modern warfare. My guess is that the CIA decided that CPO Gallagher should be eliminated for some reason and the dumb assed kids went along with it and filled the NY Times with bogus crap.

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

You got a thing for rich white boys who buy their respect doncha?

Nope. Just a fan of America, and those who fought for her. I get that Hanoi Jane was really popular. Not with me though. And I'm definitely not willing to lie to deride our troops. Not willing to spit at those who fought and bled for America.

Oh, a hang around. Likely to fat and lazy to go, but likes the collectibles.

 

[SandSquid]

The Gallagher issue brings up the differences in the modern Military mission. Marines are just green kids who learn to follow orders in Boot Camp better than most other branches and as Admiral Nimitz said it during WW2 "uncommon valor was a common virtue". Army Airborne and Special Forces are full of hard charger motivated kids who follow orders and often achieve greatness. The SEALS are a different breed. They are motivated enough to withstand hypothermia in special training but not much else. SEALS distinguished themselves in the sniper killing of the pirates who hijacked a commercial ship and kidnapped an American but that's just about it and that's the limited SEAL mission in a nutshell. Other than that Seals get the the same sniper training as Marines and Army Special forces. Marcus Luttrell's best seller didn't deal with victory, it focused on failure. The point is why were SEALS sent to eliminate Bin Ladin when Marines and Army special forces were just as skilled? The short answer is that SEALS have become the private little military force of the CIA and they are accountable to no military leadership including the Pentagon. Seals are a loose cannon. That brings the issue back to CPO Gallagher. By all accounts he is a hard charger of hard chargers but why are the kids under his command whining about his leadership? The short answer is that SEALS are no supermen, they are kids who are filled with bullshit and celebrity legend and easily offended about the harsh realities of modern warfare. My guess is that the CIA decided that CPO Gallagher should be eliminated for some reason and the dumb assed kids went along with it and filled the NY Times with bogus crap.

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

There is no question that Kerry recommended himself for the Star just as he recommended himself for a self inflicted Heart when he was hit in the ass with a grenade splinter from a grenade he threw into a V.C. cache of rice.Of course it had to be approved but Kerry was able to recommend himself for a Star and a Heart because he was the only commander around. Most 2nd Lt's are too honorable for such nonsense but to a future politician anything is possible. Gallagher is not charged with killing civilians.

Okay. Actually according to Commander George Elliott and Kerry's 1650 it was Commander George Elliott who recommended it. But hey, when in the face of written fact, why not just make up unfounded lies instead

And no you can't recommend yourself for an award. Especially not a presidential citation.

Please. Stop going full retard.

 

[SandSquid]

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

You got a thing for rich white boys who buy their respect doncha?

Nope. Just a fan of America, and those who fought for her. I get that Hanoi Jane was really popular. Not with me though. And I'm definitely not willing to lie to deride our troops. Not willing to spit at those who fought and bled for America.

Oh, a hang around. Likely to fat and lazy to go, but likes the collectibles.

Nope. I've served.

So I'm sure that really upsets you Hanoi Jane. But nice to see that you just like making up more lies


Is that really your thing? When you see a written fact, just make up something not true about it?

 

[Crixus]

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

You got a thing for rich white boys who buy their respect doncha?

Nope. Just a fan of America, and those who fought for her. I get that Hanoi Jane was really popular. Not with me though. And I'm definitely not willing to lie to deride our troops. Not willing to spit at those who fought and bled for America.

Oh, a hang around. Likely to fat and lazy to go, but likes the collectibles.

Nope. I've served.

So I'm sure that really upsets you Hanoi Jane. But nice to see that you just like making up more lies


Is that really your thing? When you see a written fact, just make up something not true about it?

Working at jack in the box don’t count.

 

[Crixus]

The Gallagher issue brings up the differences in the modern Military mission. Marines are just green kids who learn to follow orders in Boot Camp better than most other branches and as Admiral Nimitz said it during WW2 "uncommon valor was a common virtue". Army Airborne and Special Forces are full of hard charger motivated kids who follow orders and often achieve greatness. The SEALS are a different breed. They are motivated enough to withstand hypothermia in special training but not much else. SEALS distinguished themselves in the sniper killing of the pirates who hijacked a commercial ship and kidnapped an American but that's just about it and that's the limited SEAL mission in a nutshell. Other than that Seals get the the same sniper training as Marines and Army Special forces. Marcus Luttrell's best seller didn't deal with victory, it focused on failure. The point is why were SEALS sent to eliminate Bin Ladin when Marines and Army special forces were just as skilled? The short answer is that SEALS have become the private little military force of the CIA and they are accountable to no military leadership including the Pentagon. Seals are a loose cannon. That brings the issue back to CPO Gallagher. By all accounts he is a hard charger of hard chargers but why are the kids under his command whining about his leadership? The short answer is that SEALS are no supermen, they are kids who are filled with bullshit and celebrity legend and easily offended about the harsh realities of modern warfare. My guess is that the CIA decided that CPO Gallagher should be eliminated for some reason and the dumb assed kids went along with it and filled the NY Times with bogus crap.

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

There is no question that Kerry recommended himself for the Star just as he recommended himself for a self inflicted Heart when he was hit in the ass with a grenade splinter from a grenade he threw into a V.C. cache of rice.Of course it had to be approved but Kerry was able to recommend himself for a Star and a Heart because he was the only commander around. Most 2nd Lt's are too honorable for such nonsense but to a future politician anything is possible. Gallagher is not charged with killing civilians.

Okay. Actually according to Commander George Elliott and Kerry's 1650 it was Commander George Elliott who recommended it. But hey, when in the face of written fact, why not just make up unfounded lies instead

And no you can't recommend yourself for an award. Especially not a presidential citation.

Please. Stop going full retard.

You and Pete have much in common. Y’all should swap war stories.

 

[Crixus]

The Gallagher issue brings up the differences in the modern Military mission. Marines are just green kids who learn to follow orders in Boot Camp better than most other branches and as Admiral Nimitz said it during WW2 "uncommon valor was a common virtue". Army Airborne and Special Forces are full of hard charger motivated kids who follow orders and often achieve greatness. The SEALS are a different breed. They are motivated enough to withstand hypothermia in special training but not much else. SEALS distinguished themselves in the sniper killing of the pirates who hijacked a commercial ship and kidnapped an American but that's just about it and that's the limited SEAL mission in a nutshell. Other than that Seals get the the same sniper training as Marines and Army Special forces. Marcus Luttrell's best seller didn't deal with victory, it focused on failure. The point is why were SEALS sent to eliminate Bin Ladin when Marines and Army special forces were just as skilled? The short answer is that SEALS have become the private little military force of the CIA and they are accountable to no military leadership including the Pentagon. Seals are a loose cannon. That brings the issue back to CPO Gallagher. By all accounts he is a hard charger of hard chargers but why are the kids under his command whining about his leadership? The short answer is that SEALS are no supermen, they are kids who are filled with bullshit and celebrity legend and easily offended about the harsh realities of modern warfare. My guess is that the CIA decided that CPO Gallagher should be eliminated for some reason and the dumb assed kids went along with it and filled the NY Times with bogus crap.

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

You got a thing for rich white boys who buy their respect doncha?

Nope. Just a fan of America, and those who fought for her. I get that Hanoi Jane was really popular. Not with me though. And I'm definitely not willing to lie to deride our troops. Not willing to spit at those who fought and bled for America.

Lol, sure cupcake. You sound more like a 16 year old fanboy taking a break from fall of duty. Most likely you were 4F’ed for being to fat.

 

[whitehall]

The Gallagher issue brings up the differences in the modern Military mission. Marines are just green kids who learn to follow orders in Boot Camp better than most other branches and as Admiral Nimitz said it during WW2 "uncommon valor was a common virtue". Army Airborne and Special Forces are full of hard charger motivated kids who follow orders and often achieve greatness. The SEALS are a different breed. They are motivated enough to withstand hypothermia in special training but not much else. SEALS distinguished themselves in the sniper killing of the pirates who hijacked a commercial ship and kidnapped an American but that's just about it and that's the limited SEAL mission in a nutshell. Other than that Seals get the the same sniper training as Marines and Army Special forces. Marcus Luttrell's best seller didn't deal with victory, it focused on failure. The point is why were SEALS sent to eliminate Bin Ladin when Marines and Army special forces were just as skilled? The short answer is that SEALS have become the private little military force of the CIA and they are accountable to no military leadership including the Pentagon. Seals are a loose cannon. That brings the issue back to CPO Gallagher. By all accounts he is a hard charger of hard chargers but why are the kids under his command whining about his leadership? The short answer is that SEALS are no supermen, they are kids who are filled with bullshit and celebrity legend and easily offended about the harsh realities of modern warfare. My guess is that the CIA decided that CPO Gallagher should be eliminated for some reason and the dumb assed kids went along with it and filled the NY Times with bogus crap.

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

There is no question that Kerry recommended himself for the Star just as he recommended himself for a self inflicted Heart when he was hit in the ass with a grenade splinter from a grenade he threw into a V.C. cache of rice.Of course it had to be approved but Kerry was able to recommend himself for a Star and a Heart because he was the only commander around. Most 2nd Lt's are too honorable for such nonsense but to a future politician anything is possible. Gallagher is not charged with killing civilians.

Okay. Actually according to Commander George Elliott and Kerry's 1650 it was Commander George Elliott who recommended it. But hey, when in the face of written fact, why not just make up unfounded lies instead

And no you can't recommend yourself for an award. Especially not a presidential citation.

Please. Stop going full retard.

Come on, how could Commander Elliot possibly be aware of the incident unless college educated Kerry made the initial recommendation? Were they bunk mates? Who in the world would authorize a Silver Star for killing an unarmed V.C.?

 

[SandSquid]

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

There is no question that Kerry recommended himself for the Star just as he recommended himself for a self inflicted Heart when he was hit in the ass with a grenade splinter from a grenade he threw into a V.C. cache of rice.Of course it had to be approved but Kerry was able to recommend himself for a Star and a Heart because he was the only commander around. Most 2nd Lt's are too honorable for such nonsense but to a future politician anything is possible. Gallagher is not charged with killing civilians.

Okay. Actually according to Commander George Elliott and Kerry's 1650 it was Commander George Elliott who recommended it. But hey, when in the face of written fact, why not just make up unfounded lies instead

And no you can't recommend yourself for an award. Especially not a presidential citation.

Please. Stop going full retard.

Come on, how could Commander Elliot possibly be aware of the incident unless college educated Kerry made the initial recommendation? Were they bunk mates? Who in the world would authorize a Silver Star for killing an unarmed V.C.?

So you're saying you don't have any evidence at all that this happened. Just hope? You ask who... The other Swift boat captains on site, the other sailors, the army officers they were transporting? It wasn't like he was alone out there.

Just you would like to make up than an 0-2 has the power to recommend themselves for a presidential citation. Which I must say is hilarious. I did need a laugh so thank you.

And well said. Who would give us silver star for killing a unarmed VC. Granted that VC he killed had a rocket launcher by ALL accounts (it was recovered too). But hey, when you don't like the facts, make up lies and hope for the best huh?

Next up we will be saying that a private in boot camp can put himself in for the middle of honor of he took AP English in school.

Tell me. Which is worse, Kerry putting himself in for a silver star, or Trump raping 10 year old boys every night in the White House? Or should we say that let's stick to facts instead of just making up stories?

 

[whitehall]

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

There is no question that Kerry recommended himself for the Star just as he recommended himself for a self inflicted Heart when he was hit in the ass with a grenade splinter from a grenade he threw into a V.C. cache of rice.Of course it had to be approved but Kerry was able to recommend himself for a Star and a Heart because he was the only commander around. Most 2nd Lt's are too honorable for such nonsense but to a future politician anything is possible. Gallagher is not charged with killing civilians.

Okay. Actually according to Commander George Elliott and Kerry's 1650 it was Commander George Elliott who recommended it. But hey, when in the face of written fact, why not just make up unfounded lies instead

And no you can't recommend yourself for an award. Especially not a presidential citation.

Please. Stop going full retard.

Come on, how could Commander Elliot possibly be aware of the incident unless college educated Kerry made the initial recommendation? Were they bunk mates? Who in the world would authorize a Silver Star for killing an unarmed V.C.?

So you're saying you don't have any evidence at all that this happened. Just hope? You ask who... The other Swift boat captains on site, the other sailors, the army officers they were transporting? It wasn't like he was alone out there.

Just you would like to make up than an 0-2 has the power to recommend themselves for a presidential citation. Which I must say is hilarious. I did need a laugh so thank you.

And well said. Who would give us silver star for killing a unarmed VC. Granted that VC he killed had a rocket launcher by ALL accounts (it was recovered too). But hey, when you don't like the facts, make up lies and hope for the best huh?

Next up we will be saying that a private in boot camp can put himself in for the middle of honor of he took AP English in school.

Tell me. Which is worse, Kerry putting himself in for a silver star, or Trump raping 10 year old boys every night in the White House? Or should we say that let's stick to facts instead of just making up stories?

The "other Sailors" were under Kerry's command and it's pretty certain that whatever passengers were on the Swift Boat they didn't engage the alleged unarmed teenaged V.C. kid. The indisputable fact is that Kerry's account of the incident was the only recommendation. Was it wise for Kerry to run off and leave his command to chase a V.C. suspect? It was if you were chasing medals.













t

 

[Crixus]

Wow. Ok fucknuts. When veteran Navy seals are saying he murdered innocent children, that isn't "kids whining about leadership who are easily offended". That's having the courage and integrity to do the right thing.

And no, Seals don't get "the same sniper training". They have their own scout/sniper school, the longest of all of them with the highest attrition rate. What you are doing is one of two things there. Either arguing from a position of ignorance on the subject (which would make sense from your depiction there, seems like if Hollywood didn't make a movie about it, it doesn't exist in your world), or intentionally lying to further your cause.

Either you are a fool or a liar.

I'd request that maybe instead of continuing this conversation, you first go educate yourself on the topic of which you speak (watching Charlie sheen in Navy seals does not count). Or not, just prove you are a lying fool instead.

People tend to use the "F" bomb when they are too ignorant to argue a point. Gallagher wasn't charged by the Navy with the murder of civilians. He was charged by the N.Y Times. If there was any proof other than a bunch of whiny SEALS who believe their own hype, Gallagher would have been charged. The ironic thing is that Senator "swift boat" Kerry self recommended himself for the Silver Star for essentially what Gallagher is charged with.

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

There is no question that Kerry recommended himself for the Star just as he recommended himself for a self inflicted Heart when he was hit in the ass with a grenade splinter from a grenade he threw into a V.C. cache of rice.Of course it had to be approved but Kerry was able to recommend himself for a Star and a Heart because he was the only commander around. Most 2nd Lt's are too honorable for such nonsense but to a future politician anything is possible. Gallagher is not charged with killing civilians.

Okay. Actually according to Commander George Elliott and Kerry's 1650 it was Commander George Elliott who recommended it. But hey, when in the face of written fact, why not just make up unfounded lies instead

And no you can't recommend yourself for an award. Especially not a presidential citation.

Please. Stop going full retard.

Come on, how could Commander Elliot possibly be aware of the incident unless college educated Kerry made the initial recommendation? Were they bunk mates? Who in the world would authorize a Silver Star for killing an unarmed V.C.?

I heard Kerry served with that Bloomenthol guy. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Their actions now speak volumes about who these “men” really are. John Kerry, the guy who sells out his country for a paycheck from Iran. A country who made bombs that killed Americans. Same for John McTumor. He would get a boner over sending bullets, beans and bandaids to haji mother fuckers, then send American troops so the haji fucks can shoot all those new bullets at them. They are and we’re scum of the lowest order.

 

[Crixus]

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

There is no question that Kerry recommended himself for the Star just as he recommended himself for a self inflicted Heart when he was hit in the ass with a grenade splinter from a grenade he threw into a V.C. cache of rice.Of course it had to be approved but Kerry was able to recommend himself for a Star and a Heart because he was the only commander around. Most 2nd Lt's are too honorable for such nonsense but to a future politician anything is possible. Gallagher is not charged with killing civilians.

Okay. Actually according to Commander George Elliott and Kerry's 1650 it was Commander George Elliott who recommended it. But hey, when in the face of written fact, why not just make up unfounded lies instead

And no you can't recommend yourself for an award. Especially not a presidential citation.

Please. Stop going full retard.

Come on, how could Commander Elliot possibly be aware of the incident unless college educated Kerry made the initial recommendation? Were they bunk mates? Who in the world would authorize a Silver Star for killing an unarmed V.C.?

So you're saying you don't have any evidence at all that this happened. Just hope? You ask who... The other Swift boat captains on site, the other sailors, the army officers they were transporting? It wasn't like he was alone out there.

Just you would like to make up than an 0-2 has the power to recommend themselves for a presidential citation. Which I must say is hilarious. I did need a laugh so thank you.

And well said. Who would give us silver star for killing a unarmed VC. Granted that VC he killed had a rocket launcher by ALL accounts (it was recovered too). But hey, when you don't like the facts, make up lies and hope for the best huh?

Next up we will be saying that a private in boot camp can put himself in for the middle of honor of he took AP English in school.

Tell me. Which is worse, Kerry putting himself in for a silver star, or Trump raping 10 year old boys every night in the White House? Or should we say that let's stick to facts instead of just making up stories?

The "other Sailors" were under Kerry's command and it's pretty certain that whatever passengers were on the Swift Boat they didn't engage the alleged unarmed teenaged V.C. kid. The indisputable fact is that Kerry's account of the incident was the only recommendation. Was it wise for Kerry to run off and leave his command to chase a V.C. suspect? It was if you were chasing medals.













t

Exactly.

 

[SandSquid]

No actually that is a lie. Gallagher was charged with shooting Iraqi civilians.

And actually the big difference between the two, is that while some swift boat members with ties to Bush's presidential campaign who didn't serve with or under him, created stories he wasn't fit for command, his surviving crewmen he actually served with completely disputed them. Whereas it was actually the seals working with Gallagher. And Gallagher's team accused him of multiple murders. None of Kerry's accusations were about that. But hey if the shoe doesn't fit, just lie enough until it does

And no, a lieutenant Jr grade does not recommend himself for a silver star. Is everything that comes out of your mouth either retarded or lies?? That makes no sense. But if you have a copy of his opnav 1650 recommendation to himself is love to see it. Or you can admit you are full of tired useless shit and want to make the impossible sound true.

When you have to lie to try and cover your previous lie, it doesn't help your cause.

There is no question that Kerry recommended himself for the Star just as he recommended himself for a self inflicted Heart when he was hit in the ass with a grenade splinter from a grenade he threw into a V.C. cache of rice.Of course it had to be approved but Kerry was able to recommend himself for a Star and a Heart because he was the only commander around. Most 2nd Lt's are too honorable for such nonsense but to a future politician anything is possible. Gallagher is not charged with killing civilians.

Okay. Actually according to Commander George Elliott and Kerry's 1650 it was Commander George Elliott who recommended it. But hey, when in the face of written fact, why not just make up unfounded lies instead

And no you can't recommend yourself for an award. Especially not a presidential citation.

Please. Stop going full retard.

Come on, how could Commander Elliot possibly be aware of the incident unless college educated Kerry made the initial recommendation? Were they bunk mates? Who in the world would authorize a Silver Star for killing an unarmed V.C.?

So you're saying you don't have any evidence at all that this happened. Just hope? You ask who... The other Swift boat captains on site, the other sailors, the army officers they were transporting? It wasn't like he was alone out there.

Just you would like to make up than an 0-2 has the power to recommend themselves for a presidential citation. Which I must say is hilarious. I did need a laugh so thank you.

And well said. Who would give us silver star for killing a unarmed VC. Granted that VC he killed had a rocket launcher by ALL accounts (it was recovered too). But hey, when you don't like the facts, make up lies and hope for the best huh?

Next up we will be saying that a private in boot camp can put himself in for the middle of honor of he took AP English in school.

Tell me. Which is worse, Kerry putting himself in for a silver star, or Trump raping 10 year old boys every night in the White House? Or should we say that let's stick to facts instead of just making up stories?

The "other Sailors" were under Kerry's command and it's pretty certain that whatever passengers were on the Swift Boat they didn't engage the alleged unarmed teenaged V.C. kid. The indisputable fact is that Kerry's account of the incident was the only recommendation. Was it wise for Kerry to run off and leave his command to chase a V.C. suspect? It was if you were chasing medals.


t

kind of funny how you keep forgetting the dozens of soldiers who are not under his command with them. And those swift boat operators. so you're saying it's an undisputable fact that they didn't exist? How did you wipe them out of existence?

And of course the only way to make Kerry's statements of the incident the only ones is to of course just kill off everyone else who was there.

And was it wise to subdue an enemy with a rocket launcher, while under attack by an ambush where the enemies are using those rocket launchers against you? Only if you want to save the lives of those he plans on using that against.

Seriously. That is your defense? Just leave the guys with rocket launchers alone, as your boats are taking fire from rocket launchers, and your squadmates gun jammed? Yes I think that's advisable to stop the guys ambushing you when your squads weapons jammed? What would you rather he do? Sit there and make themselves a target? Ignore the ambush and let the next group of boats coming through get ambushed?

So I guess you're still just lying and trying to create a fantasy world that doesn't exist in real life. Including one where people somehow are so cool under pressure that even while being ambushed, they can react based on what medals they'd like to earn afterwards, then somehow erase and brainwash the dozens of people with lol.

All right I've had enough of you. You went full retard. Trump raping children nightly is more believable than the magical land you are making up here. I called you out for your lies and the best you got was The dozens of people on that operation didn't exist and returning fire against an ambush is not ok.

 

[SandSquid]

The "other Sailors" were under Kerry's command
t

And what you're saying here is that in special forces that group is really tight. That you believe it would take something astounding for them to break ranks and voice their opposition against their leader.

Thanks. Was hoping someone would see how dumb it is to think sailors would just randomly turn on Gallagher without STRONG evidence to make their claims. Congrats. You lied and lied and lied and got so stuck on one lie, you debunked yourself without even realizing it.

That's all I need. Your fantasy world based on lies and believing crazy theories has no interest to me. You've failed to defend your lies, instead trying over and over to change the subject and even going so far as to disappear dozens of people and say stopping an ambush is bad.

Enjoy your evening, but you are spare parts. You do nothing for a fact based conversation so welcome to ignore

 

[whitehall]

The "other Sailors" were under Kerry's command
t

And what you're saying here is that in special forces that group is really tight. That you believe it would take something astounding for them to break ranks and voice their opposition against their leader.

Thanks. Was hoping someone would see how dumb it is to think sailors would just randomly turn on Gallagher without STRONG evidence to make their claims. Congrats. You lied and lied and lied and got so stuck on one lie, you debunked yourself without even realizing it.

That's all I need. Your fantasy world based on lies and believing crazy theories has no interest to me. You've failed to defend your lies, instead trying over and over to change the subject and even going so far as to disappear dozens of people and say stopping an ambush is bad.

Enjoy your evening, but you are spare parts. You do nothing for a fact based conversation so welcome to ignore

I'm saying that Special Forces commanders are honorable people and 1st and 2nd Lt's wouldn't dream of recommending themselves for awards. Kerry was different and dishonest but it's nothing unusual for politically motivated service people. LBJ managed to recommend himself for a Silver Star during WW2 for riding in a plane over enemy territory for about half an hour.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Luttrell was what, a Seaman 3rd class and the only survivor of a thoroughly botched Seal mission and they made a freaking movie and he wrote a best seller and the media turned him into a celebrity. Gallagher is (was) a hard charger combat Seal CPO and the Navy wants to put him in freaking prison and no civilian sissie or phony Vet. gives a damn because the NY Times called him a war criminal. Yeah right.

OK, you have shown yourself to be a complete dumbass on the topic.

Luttrell was a Navy Corpsman Second Class (E-5) at the time and retired as a Petty Officer First Class (E-6) There is no such thing as a seaman third class!

The mission was not botched. He wrote a book which was then made into a movie. Perhaps you should try reading the book before you judge him. He was awarded the Navy Cross.

The mission wasn't botched? Everybody was killed including the rescue team that landed in front of a guy with an RPG and nothing was accomplished. The only thing that wasn't botched was Luttrell's book sales. The ironic thing was that Luttrell was rescued by Army Rangers.

Losing a battle is not "botched", you dumbass!

The rescue team never landed. That just shows even further proof that you are talking out of your ass.