Naomi Klein~the man made climate change cult finnaly being honest

[CrusaderFrank]

LOL. Flapping yap repeating the same lie won't make it true. No, I don't ignore science, in fact, I study it. On a formal basis. You haven't even made it's aquintance. You are a silly little person full of baseless opinions, with never anything at all to back them up. Willful ignorance and stupidity, you hug them to your soul.

AGW is not "science" it's not even in the same Universe as science

 

[flacaltenn]

National Parks are pure socialism. Preserving the best and most unique for the use of all. But you think that is evil, Flacaltenn? Really?

National Parks are conservation Rocks. Or SUPPOSED to be when Conservation implied the best practices of stewardship known to us... The government OWNs the majority of Western Lands. Always been that way. Partly because of the large amount that is orphaned and unwanted. So they used it for atomic bomb testing and military bases and let it lie fallow rather than opening it to private uses.. MOST of it better by far then the land the Israelis or the Quataris have turned into first rate nations..

My will specifies the Nature Conservancy because I trust their idea of persuasion and the good examples they set in what they acquire and buy and protect. They have a PLAN and a mission.. The government doesn't do that. They INCARCERATE the land and largely ignore it. And do the minimum that needs to be done.. And are so overwhelmed by their holdings that they are incapable of assisting nature to thrive..

You go ask committed environmentalists and conservationists who they trust more.. The Forestry/BLM way or the The Nature Conservancy way.. Isn't even a fair fight...

Block grant that money and land to the Indians, to public institutions like Nature Conservancy, Audobon, Ducks Unlimited, Sierra Club and to the states and watch the difference happen..

 

[mamooth]

And that would be because the that the Forest Service and BLM are forced by law to allow "multiple use" of the land. That is, logging, mining and grazing.

Like many conservatives, Flac refers to such rape of public land by the PC codeword of "best stewardship". What normal people call "preserving", Flac calls "incarcerating". How dare the government lock profit away from deserving land rapers! The government especially needs to allow more unregulated mining, so that there can be more spills into rivers which flac will then somehow blame entirely on the government.

 

[gipper]

Obama screeches the sky is falling....the sky is falling...we are all going to die from climate change....OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

unless we impose one world Marxist government.

Amazingly millions believe this serial liar. CRAZY!!!!

 

[gipper]

Obama screeches the sky is falling....the sky is falling...we are all going to die from climate change....OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

unless we impose one world Marxist government.

Amazingly millions believe this serial liar. CRAZY!!!!

 

[jc456]

Yeah, we've known this for decades. The socialists of the 1980s, became environmentalists in the 1990s.

They had to repackage their beliefs after the Soviet Union proved them wrong.

Yea I have heard the story's but now it's Crystal clear on the man made cults main motives. It is to destroy capitalism at all cost.

Just like Gruber lying about obama care

Just like Harry Reid saying a lie is ok if you get your way

Its Crystal clear they don't care how much they fudge numbers try to out B.S. people they are using junk science for a social goal and now thanks to Naomi they are admitting it.

What is crystal clear is that people like you that are complete ignoramouses that must be isolated from political power. We have a problem, and it must and will be addressed. Those in denial of reality will be told not to stand in the doorway, or block off the hall.

Naomi Klein has written a very thoughtful book on what is occuring, and the steps we need to take to prevent our actions from creating a degraded world for our descendants.

any day jack monkey! post that experiment that shows what man made CO2 does to the atmosphere. Still waiting eighteen months now. You fail, Junk science is all you have and you kiss the feet of Naomi Klein don't ya? What's that you're holding?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They even told us it was a scheme to redistribute wealth!

 

[jc456]

Mr. CrusaderFrank, because your mentality can only consider violence as an acceptable method of doing business, does not mean the sane citizens have the same mental perversion. Just as we did away with the indiscriminate use of DDT and CFC's, we will do what is neccessary to switch the economy to an energy base that does not create GHGs. It will be done the the democratic processes of this and other nations.

old socks Frank asked you a question to which you fail to answer. So when is that answer coming..........?

You wish to kill off the human race, and you have the nerve to say this about Frank? Dude look up the word hypocrite, you'll find your picture.

 

[Andylusion]

National Parks are pure socialism. Preserving the best and most unique for the use of all. But you think that is evil, Flacaltenn? Really?

Yeah, I think it's wrong. The Federal government is not supposed to be in the land ownership business.

While you like to point out the few limited number of national parks that only preserve some nature aspect, the vast majority are there to enrich members of congress, at the expense of the public.

It's also Constitutionally illegal. The Federal Government does not have the power to own land within states for this purpose.

Now if the state wants to own tracts of land... ok. That is constitutional.

But you have Al Gore with stock in Occidental Petroleum, arranging the sale of oil rights of the Elk Hills. Which is only possible because the Federal Government owned that tract of land. Made Al Gore millions richer.

Again, if the state wants their state senators doing that, that's their deal. But the Federal Government has no right to do that.

Nor does it have the right to own the vast majority of Nevada, and charging the peasants for working the land for the Feudal Lord. We're not supposed to be a Feudal system, where government owns the land, and peasant work the land for a price.

 

[gipper]

Yeah, we've known this for decades. The socialists of the 1980s, became environmentalists in the 1990s.

They had to repackage their beliefs after the Soviet Union proved them wrong.

Yea I have heard the story's but now it's Crystal clear on the man made cults main motives. It is to destroy capitalism at all cost.

Just like Gruber lying about obama care

Just like Harry Reid saying a lie is ok if you get your way

Its Crystal clear they don't care how much they fudge numbers try to out B.S. people they are using junk science for a social goal and now thanks to Naomi they are admitting it.

What is crystal clear is that people like you that are complete ignoramouses that must be isolated from political power. We have a problem, and it must and will be addressed. Those in denial of reality will be told not to stand in the doorway, or block off the hall.

Naomi Klein has written a very thoughtful book on what is occuring, and the steps we need to take to prevent our actions from creating a degraded world for our descendants.

Thoughtful and Global Warming are parallel tracks that never meet

Mr. CrusaderFrank, because your mentality can only consider violence as an acceptable method of doing business, does not mean the sane citizens have the same mental perversion. Just as we did away with the indiscriminate use of DDT and CFC's, we will do what is neccessary to switch the economy to an energy base that does not create GHGs. It will be done the the democratic processes of this and other nations.

Don't dare you bring up CFC's in the same subject as a hoax of man made climate change...

It is intellectually dishonest.

We know your hatered of capitalism is now.

Really? Why? Give your reasons. This should be interesting.

I don't hate or love either capitalism or socialism. No more than I love or hate a crescent wrench or a socket wrench. They are both tools to be used where appropriate. That you have to label one or the other as evil simply indicates the paucity on intellect on your part.

Wow!

One ideology resulted in untold millions dying in the last century and other brought prosperity to untold millions...yet you consider them the same.

Leftism really fucks up people's brains.

 

[mamooth]

It's also Constitutionally illegal. The Federal Government does not have the power to own land within states for this purpose.

Of course it does.

Who told you something that crazy, and why did you fall for it?

 

[mamooth]

One ideology resulted in untold millions dying in the last century and other brought prosperity to untold millions...yet you consider them the same.

Holy shit, you're ignorant of history. But then, if you weren't, you couldn't be a conservative.

Go look up the body count of the British Empire sometime, and tell us about the gentle nature of capitalism.

 

[Old Rocks]

National Parks are pure socialism. Preserving the best and most unique for the use of all. But you think that is evil, Flacaltenn? Really?

Yeah, I think it's wrong. The Federal government is not supposed to be in the land ownership business.

While you like to point out the few limited number of national parks that only preserve some nature aspect, the vast majority are there to enrich members of congress, at the expense of the public.

It's also Constitutionally illegal. The Federal Government does not have the power to own land within states for this purpose.

Now if the state wants to own tracts of land... ok. That is constitutional.

But you have Al Gore with stock in Occidental Petroleum, arranging the sale of oil rights of the Elk Hills. Which is only possible because the Federal Government owned that tract of land. Made Al Gore millions richer.

Again, if the state wants their state senators doing that, that's their deal. But the Federal Government has no right to do that.

Nor does it have the right to own the vast majority of Nevada, and charging the peasants for working the land for the Feudal Lord. We're not supposed to be a Feudal system, where government owns the land, and peasant work the land for a price.

Man, are you full of shit. The majority of people in the West want nothing to do with your stone age attitude.

Why Congress Can Sell Off Our National Forests, But Not National Parks

As a recap, nearly the entire GOP senate just made a symbolic vote in order to demonstrate its resolve to sell-off some lands currently owned and administered by the federal government.

With little demonstrable will among constituents in their own states, the reason for this sudden interest in States' Rights is a bit puzzling. Until you realized that concerted campaigns for privatization are underway across western States thanks to funding and support from special interest groups like ALEC and Americans For Prosperity, otherwise known as ExxonMobil and the Koch brothers.

Under federal ownership, public lands enjoy a variety of strong protections that we'll explain here. Those same protections don't necessarily exist if ownership is transferred to individual states, potentially paving the way (possibly quite literally) for destructive exploitation by private industry or even the transfer of these lands to private ownership.

The fear is, the success of this budgetary amendment could lead to an actual push to put such an arrangement into law.

Time to vote everyone of these bastards out of office.

 

[gipper]

One ideology resulted in untold millions dying in the last century and other brought prosperity to untold millions...yet you consider them the same.

Holy shit, you're ignorant of history. But then, if you weren't, you couldn't be a conservative.

Go look up the body count of the British Empire sometime, and tell us about the gentle nature of capitalism.

Bet I know history much better than you...and I ain't no con.

If you think the Limeys murdered more than your buddies, you don't know history.

 

[Old Rocks]

As for the rest of you loopy fruits, you are in the minority, not only in this nation, but in the whole world. 99% of the world's population is not going to suffer so that the 1% can be even more obscenely wealthy.

 

[Old Rocks]

One ideology resulted in untold millions dying in the last century and other brought prosperity to untold millions...yet you consider them the same.

Holy shit, you're ignorant of history. But then, if you weren't, you couldn't be a conservative.

Go look up the body count of the British Empire sometime, and tell us about the gentle nature of capitalism.

Bet I know history much better than you...and I ain't no con.

If you think the Limeys murdered more than your buddies, you don't know history.

I have seen nothing from your posts that indicate you know anything at all. You post only inane comments, nothing at all that has any content to it. Unfettered capitalism is no better than unfettered communism. The Nazis represented the ultimate corperate state.

 

[flacaltenn]

It's also Constitutionally illegal. The Federal Government does not have the power to own land within states for this purpose.

Of course it does.

Who told you something that crazy, and why did you fall for it?

It's one thing for the Feds to run a National Parks System. They don't run those by themselves anyway.. It's quite another for the Feds to own 80% of Nevada and the majority of Western lands in this day and age.. If they were GOOD at it --- I might be sympathetic.. But alas, they suck at most everything and wilderness protector ain't gonna be their career highlight..

 

[flacaltenn]

One ideology resulted in untold millions dying in the last century and other brought prosperity to untold millions...yet you consider them the same.

Holy shit, you're ignorant of history. But then, if you weren't, you couldn't be a conservative.

Go look up the body count of the British Empire sometime, and tell us about the gentle nature of capitalism.

You might want to go do some remedial on that.. East India trading company had a ROYAL CHARTER. Which is why they could rule a big place like India for awhile until they screwed it up enough. Their exploits were encouraged by the Crown.

And then -- there's the inconvenient truth of the death count in some of these places AFTER the Brits withdrew their power and influence. Want a list?? Probably includes OUR Civil War which occurred not long after the LAST Brit attempt to recoup the colonies..

At any rate -- You have confused IMPERIALISM with CAPITALISM...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yea I have heard the story's but now it's Crystal clear on the man made cults main motives. It is to destroy capitalism at all cost.

Just like Gruber lying about obama care

Just like Harry Reid saying a lie is ok if you get your way

Its Crystal clear they don't care how much they fudge numbers try to out B.S. people they are using junk science for a social goal and now thanks to Naomi they are admitting it.

What is crystal clear is that people like you that are complete ignoramouses that must be isolated from political power. We have a problem, and it must and will be addressed. Those in denial of reality will be told not to stand in the doorway, or block off the hall.

Naomi Klein has written a very thoughtful book on what is occuring, and the steps we need to take to prevent our actions from creating a degraded world for our descendants.

Thoughtful and Global Warming are parallel tracks that never meet

Mr. CrusaderFrank, because your mentality can only consider violence as an acceptable method of doing business, does not mean the sane citizens have the same mental perversion. Just as we did away with the indiscriminate use of DDT and CFC's, we will do what is neccessary to switch the economy to an energy base that does not create GHGs. It will be done the the democratic processes of this and other nations.

Don't dare you bring up CFC's in the same subject as a hoax of man made climate change...

It is intellectually dishonest.

We know your hatered of capitalism is now.

Really? Why? Give your reasons. This should be interesting.

I don't hate or love either capitalism or socialism. No more than I love or hate a crescent wrench or a socket wrench. They are both tools to be used where appropriate. That you have to label one or the other as evil simply indicates the paucity on intellect on your part.

Wow!

One ideology resulted in untold millions dying in the last century and other brought prosperity to untold millions...yet you consider them the same.

Leftism really fucks up people's brains.

Progressive are mindless zombies

 

[jc456]

It's also Constitutionally illegal. The Federal Government does not have the power to own land within states for this purpose.

Of course it does.

Who told you something that crazy, and why did you fall for it?

Wow exactly what I was thinking. How do you fall for the warmer shit?