Nail in the friggin coffin for Crist

[Foxfyre]

What really pisses me off is driving down in Miami especially Miami Beach. Those bastards start hitting their horns expecting you to start going the moment the cross street light turns yellow.

Immie

Santa Fe used to be like that. You couldn't start moving fast enough at an intersection to keep the guy behind you from laying on his horn. But it was causing crashes at intersections when there were so many jack rabbit starts when the light changed and that provided a lot of targets for red light runners. And it was giving Santa Fe a bad reputation while that is one city who cannot survive without tourism. So now it is rare that you get honked at there. Still a nightmare to drive in sometimes, but much better.

 

[ScienceRocks]

whats hard to understand? and if they dont get as much money as they hope they will rig the light times to get more.

Looks like the DUI scam isn't bringing in enough dough these days.

its 100% about money and 0% about safety.

It is one big crock of shit. I think it should be ended...Who does the government think they're? Gods?

 

[Gunny]

Crist signs Fla. bill legalizing red light cameras TCPalm.com

TALLAHASSEE — Red light cameras will be fully legal in Florida as of July 1.

Gov. Charlie Crist on Thursday signed a new law that authorizes the cameras as enforcement devices.

Fuck you Crist. Fuck you very much.





...and no. I've never gotten a ticket from one of those things. I just think that all they actually can make an intersection less safe, and open up all kinds of possibilities for the government to fleece their citizens.

Happened in VA a decade ago. One of the first people they caught was the Police Chief running a red.

Wait until they're installed in our homes.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Here in the Portland area they don't need to play games with the yellow in order to make tons of money off of folks who run through red lights. The way folks drive here, it will be a perpetual money maker.


I don't think they should game the system to make money, but something really needs to be done to stop the really bad practice here. The regular cops aren't up to it. Robocops will have to do it for them.

you sound like a totalitarian.

Maybe because he is? He wants the government to wipe your ass for you and tell you how to walk down a fucking street. Pretty soon the government will put a code or a chip in/on you and will control and track you around like a puppy. Thought we where the land of the free??? Not with these leftist scum bags.

In Portland Oregon sucks ass. I need to get out of here.

 

[Foxfyre]

I can't believe people don't riot in the streets over those red light cameras.

Talk about invasion of privacy. Cameras everywhere. It's very disturbing.

LOL, study invasion of privacy alittle bit. You have no right to privacy in public places!

The UK awhile back set up monitoring cameras along all its major public roads. That meant anybody using those roads was going to be filmed--just like security cameras do in buildings--at all times.

I asked a Brit friend if that bothered him and he said no. Knowing his government they would put the cameras in the wrong places and point them in the wrong direction and it was no big deal.

And realistically, we are filmed at all times that we are in many public places or pass through the field of a rooftop security camera, et al. How many times have you noticed that you're on camera at a restaurant register. If you go to casinos you can be visually watched at all times plus being filmed.

So getting tagged by a red light camera really isn't a violation of privacy.

 

[GHook93]

Crist signs Fla. bill legalizing red light cameras TCPalm.com

TALLAHASSEE — Red light cameras will be fully legal in Florida as of July 1.

Gov. Charlie Crist on Thursday signed a new law that authorizes the cameras as enforcement devices.

Fuck you Crist. Fuck you very much.

...and no. I've never gotten a ticket from one of those things. I just think that all they actually can make an intersection less safe, and open up all kinds of possibilities for the government to fleece their citizens.

Happened in VA a decade ago. One of the first people they caught was the Police Chief running a red.

Wait until they're installed in our homes.

I will admit the slippery slope does scare me, but not that much. The concern here is with the IPass (probably called something different in other states). Is going to be used to ticket speeders! They will calculate how long it took you to get from one Ipass stop to the next and issue you a ticket if you went above the speed limit. Scary stuff!

 

[Foxfyre]

I will admit the slippery slope does scare me, but not that much. The concern here is with the IPass (probably called something different in other states). Is going to be used to ticket speeders! They will calculate how long it took you to get from one Ipass stop to the next and issue you a ticket if you went above the speed limit. Scary stuff!

Texas was one of the first states to use automatic speeding cameras first installed in the Dallas/Ft Worth metro area. Hubby's brother-in-law got tagged by those at least 20 times going to and from work until he finally retired. It was affectionately dubbed 'Orphus" but I think they finally took the cameras out maybe because so many were running in they couldn't keep up with mailing out the tickets.

Did find some interesting information on both those and the red light cameras though:

Efficacy of Red Light Camera Enforcement

Several studies of red light cameras found their use tended to reduce the number of front-into-side, or right angle crashes, but increase the number of rear-end crashes, possibly because drivers aware of the cameras would brake suddenly to avoid driving through the red light. However, despite the increase in rear-end crashes, some of these studies still found that red light camera enforcement resulted in an economic benefit because the property damage and injuries caused by right-angle crashes tended to be more severe than that caused by rear-end crashes.

Federal Study.

A comprehensive 2005 FHWA study examined red light camera programs in El Cajon, San Diego, and San Francisco, California; Howard and Montgomery counties and Baltimore, Maryland; and Charlotte, North Carolina. The study found a 25% decrease in right-angle crashes and a 16% reduction in those crashes resulting in an injury where cameras were used, but also found a 15% increase in rear-end crashes, with a 24% increase in such crashes causing an injury. Further analysis showed that right-angle crashes appeared slightly more severe in two of the seven jurisdictions but not in the other five. Even so, the report found, there would still be positive economic benefits from the use of red light cameras. The report (http: //tfhrc. gov/safety/pubs/05049/index. htm) also found that red light cameras would be most beneficial at sites where there are relatively few rear end crashes and many right-angle ones.

Virginia Study.

A Virginia Transportation Research Council evaluation of red light enforcement programs in that state found that they contributed to a definite increase in rear-end crashes, a possible decrease in right-angle crashes, a net decrease in injury crashes attributable to red light running, and an increase in total injury crashes. “Therefore,” it found, “cameras are leading to a net improvement in safety if, as might be expected, the severity of the eliminated red light running crashes was greater than that of the induced rear-end crashes. ” The study called for a more detailed analysis to determine if the crashes that were prevented would have been more likely to cause severe injuries than rear-end crashes (http: //www. thenewspaper. com/rlc/docs/05-vdot. pdf).

IIHS Studies.

An IIHS evaluation of a red light camera program in Oxnard, California, published in 1999, found that camera enforcement reduced the red light violation rate by about 42%. Increases in compliance were not restricted to the camera sites, but occurred at other intersections as well (http: //76. 12. 31. 254/rlc/docs/armey/99oxnard. pdf). Another Oxnard study, published in 2002, showed a significant citywide reduction in intersection crashes, with crashes reduced by 7% and crashes where an injury occurred reduced by 29%; right-angle crashes were reduced by 32%, while right-angle crashes involving injuries were reduced by 68% (http: //ajph. aphapublications. org/cgi/reprint/92/11/1822).

EFFICACY OF SPEED CAMERA ENFORCEMENT

Evaluation of Montgomery County, Maryland's Safe Speed Program

Montgomery Country, Maryland began its Safe Speed program in 2006. It uses speed cameras to photograph vehicles traveling 11 or more miles above the speed limit on residential streets or school zones with a speed limit of 35 mph. A September, 2009 study by the county's Office of Legislative Oversight found, among other things, that:

● the number of monthly citations decreased by an average of 78% from the program's first full month compared to the same month in the following year;

● of the half-million vehicles identified on camera over a two-year period, about two-thirds received only one citation, indicating that the accompanying $ 40 fine deterred most drivers from speeding again;

● average speed where there were speed cameras declined by about 6% one year after the program began;

● after one year of enforcement, the percentage of vehicles exceeding the speed limit when passing camera sites was cut in half; and

● total reported collisions within one-half mile of the camera sites decreased by 28% in the year after the program began; collisions involving an injury or fatality declined by 39%.
The complete report can be found at http: //www. montgomerycountymd

RED LIGHT AND SPEED CAMERAS

 

[ScienceRocks]

it isnt about safety, its about money. crist is hoping people run red lights to make money, thus he is hoping people get killed.

they arent installing the cameras to stop people running lights.

I think Sarahgop makes a damn good point.

 

[RadiomanATL]

I love when someone takes the exception to the rule and protrays it as the norm.

I guarantee that rear end collusion accidents caused by your assessment far less rare then head on collusion by red light runners.

Well then, you'd be wrong.

"People see a yellow light and normally they would drive through it, but at camera intersections they do the quick stop. They slam on the brakes and that means everybody else behind them slams on the brakes," said Barbara Langland-Orban, one of three co-authors of the study and an associate professor in USF's Department of Health Policy and Management.

USF examined five red-light camera studies. It concluded that two were flawed and found that the other three drew the same basic conclusion about cameras at intersections.

"Overall, they have been found to increase crashes and injuries," Langland-Orban said.

She pointed to a seven-year study by the Virginia Transportation Research Council that showed crashes at intersections with the cameras increased 29 percent.

Another study, by the Urban Transit Institute at North Carolina Agricultural & Technical State University, looked at almost five years' worth of data. The study concluded that accident rates increased 40 percent at intersections with cameras; injury crashes rose between 40 percent and 50 percent.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/mar/12/na-red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-usf-study-/

 

[RadiomanATL]

A Virginia Transportation Research Council evaluation of red light enforcement programs in that state found that they contributed to a definite increase in rear-end crashes, a possible decrease in right-angle crashes, a net decrease in injury crashes attributable to red light running, and an increase in total injury crashes. “Therefore,” it found, “cameras are leading to a net improvement in safety if, as might be expected, the severity of the eliminated red light running crashes was greater than that of the induced rear-end crashes. ” The study called for a more detailed analysis to determine if the crashes that were prevented would have been more likely to cause severe injuries than rear-end crashes (http: //www. thenewspaper. com/rlc/docs/05-vdot. pdf).

Sure...an increase in total injury crashes sure sounds to me that the cameras are leading to a net improvement in safety...

 

[hortysir]

Interesting statistic in there is that those who favor the Hispanic candidate also favor bringing the AZ immigration law to FL.

Has Rubio said anything about it yet?

From his site: (though I haven't heard him speak, specifically, of the AZ law)

“Legal immigration has been a great source of strength and prosperity for America, but I believe illegal immigration threatens the foundation of this system. If I had been in the Senate at the time, I would have opposed the McCain-Kennedy bill. I believe we must fix our immigration system by first securing the border, fixing the visa and entry process and opposing amnesty in any reform.”

To the poster that mentioned "an unwarranted invasion of privacy":
With all the technology available in this day and age, one would have to have the naivety of a 2 yr old to think that, once you step out of the house, there is any expectation of privacy.

 

[Lost Soul]

Crist signs Fla. bill legalizing red light cameras TCPalm.com

TALLAHASSEE — Red light cameras will be fully legal in Florida as of July 1.

Gov. Charlie Crist on Thursday signed a new law that authorizes the cameras as enforcement devices.

Fuck you Crist. Fuck you very much.





...and no. I've never gotten a ticket from one of those things. I just think that all they actually can make an intersection less safe, and open up all kinds of possibilities for the government to fleece their citizens.

why do you think they can make an intersection less safe?

as an aside, there is nothing like the %*$$*$))&**$ moment when you see the camera flash go off as you come through an intersection.

You stupid bitch. We have them in GA and they do make intersections with them dangerous because people slam on the breaks on a yellow light to keep from getting a BS ticket that you cannot fight in court. You have one option when the ticket comes in the mail. Pay it without your day in court.

LOL Camera flash LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL this statement alone proves what a moron you are.