My view on Iraq War. Surge - Well, it is about time!

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    Well, it does not take an expert on foreign relations to know that Bush’s handling of this unnecessary Iraq war has been a mess. First Bush and his “yes men” (lackeys) said that Saddam had WMD. He did not – unless you count a few old empty canisters as WMD – Oh my. We should have gotten our fallout shelters ready. Then there was the argument that Saddam was linked with terrorists. That turned out to be false – well, months after our invasion we managed to find someone from Al Qaeda who happened to be on Iraqi soil. Then Bush’s buddies told us that Iraqi was a threat to the USA and that Iraq was the most dangerous threat of our time. Nope. When those excuses turned out to be false or highly exaggreated, the excuse chaned to something along the lines of “Well. We need to get rid of an evil dictator”. Shouldn’t we have gone after the more despotic and powerful one first like North Korea and China?

    Okay. So we go to war. We kill a bunck of Iraqis and they kill us. How protected were out men in combat? Awww. The cry-babies want armor. Too bad. You go to war with the army you have—not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time. The result was unnecessary excessive injury and death to our men.

    Of course, the survivors got to go to Walter Reed Army Medical Center. After months and months pass, Bush decieds to get tough and send in a surge. Months later, the surge seems to be working and everyone wants to cheer.

    I had mice in my house. I would chase them away but they kept coming back. I managed to kill one, but othrs came in. I tore holes in the walls so that I could try to see where they were coming from. I used traps and foggers but they kept coming. I broke the floor panels to see if they were coming up through the floor. I fumigated and fumigated. I destroyed the attic to see if they had a nest up there. Finally, after months and months of trying to kill all those mice, I think that I finally succeeded. I have not seen a mouse for quite some time, but my home has a natural dirt floor and a skylight and 360 degree views. – But, hey, I finally got those pesky rodents.

    In conclusion, the war was not necessary. There were no significant WMD, there was not clear-cut-link to terrorists. There was no significant threat. The war was handled terribly. Since we were going in anyway, we should have first made hospitals ready and up-to-date for the sick and dying that would be arriving. We should have had an over abundance of highly armored vehicles and tools at the ready. Then, if Bush were serious he should have sent warning to the poeople of Iraq and surrounded the nation. Then, we should have gone in with at least twice as many aircraft, ships, tanks and other vehicles to be followed, ultimately by soldiers than we did.

    No. I was never in the military. No, I’m not an expert in military. Yet, it seems to me that the above is obvious. You don’t go to war if you can avoid it. If you do declare war, you go in to win. Finally, after so many executive goof-ups we seem to be making progress. Well, damn. It is high time. Yippeee. Wooptie do!
     
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    This has what to do with the surge? As for the rest

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    That was a great sentimental piece. I would question a line (maybe two) that is in the song – a minor point. Beyond that, I have nothing against it. Did it require so many people to die in Iraq to keep us free? I doubt it.

    I have no bitterness for the soldiers. We don’t do enough for them. (1.) Was the Iraq war necessary for our freedom? I doubt it. (2.) It would have been nice for Rumsfeld to has shown more compassion and made sure that the soldiers had more than enough armor and equipment. (3.) It would have been nice for the commander in chief to make sure that the hospitals were up-to-date and ready for the injured soldiers.
     
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    No surprise there.

    Well, that's LARGE of you matt.:eusa_whistle:

    On THAT we agree.

    No surprise again, our enemy's are just suppose to lay over for us, cause we're the good guys, right?

    You got, what you got, you can think the PRIOR administration for the supplies available to our troops.

    Its ALWAYS someone eles's fault, does the story NEVER change?

    Do you really think, that our PRESIDENT intentionally let our Federal hospitals fall into the sad state of disrepair, that you complain about?

    NOTHING is a "cake walk", our troops get the best medical treatment of any in the world. There is ALWAYS room for improvement, care to give a donation?
     
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    I am not one whit freer because of the occupation of Iraq. Neither are you.



    You got, what you got, you can think the PRIOR administration for the supplies available to our troops.


    Ooh, I know, I know. ;)

    They didn't care or they wouldn't have privatized maintenance of the hospital using the same incompetent corporation that couldn't manage to get ice to New Orleans. But no patronage there, right?
     
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    Awesome...lets glorify death. As for Bush, if he cried everytime a US soldier came back dead, he'd have died of dehydration by now.
     
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    Do you always parrot the usual talking points?

    Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Johen Edwrds, Al Gore and Ted kennedy are Bush's lackeys?

    You're right. No one ever said that Iraq was the most dangerous threat of our time

    Ah, the usual 'if we did it here, we have to do it everywhere' argument. :rolleyes:

    They had armor. All of them.
    They didnt all have the armor that you think they should all have had - but then, you arent a competent judge.

    Just like every other army in every other war.
    That you take offense to the statement indicates a severl lack of understanding.

    This is a view held by someone that has no historical context in which to put all of these things in.

    Except for the liberals, who want us to, and are doing all that they can to guarantee that we lose the war so that they can gain domestic political power.

    You're right. You're a parrot - a "useful idiot".
    Your masters are proud of you.
     
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    Our enemies (Al Qaeda and the Taliban) came at us from Afghanistan – not Iraq. Iraqis were not our enemies. They were not attacking us.

    The Clinton term ended in 2000. From his first day in office, Bush could have called for the redistribution of resources and the strengthening our military. 9-11 happened in late 2001. After that tragic event, Bush had time to further strengthen our military and make sure that it had sufficient armor and supplies. Operation “Iraqi Freedom” began in 2003. The operation could have easily started later, while we prepare our armor and hospitals, as there was no immanent threat from Iraq.

    It is pretty clear that Bush flew off the handle with his itchy trigger finger and practically declared (unnecessary) war against Iraq too soon without having made sure that the armor, vehicles, and hospitals were ready.

    Where did that superlative absolutist comment/question come from? No. Things that happen are not always someone else’s fault.

    No. I doubt that the president intentionally let or hospitals fall into a sad state of disrepair. I doubt that he was even aware of the state of the federal hospitals. What I do contend is that the president should have checked on the state of the hospitals long before thinking of having our soldiers go to war.

    I agree that nothing is a cakewalk. I don’t know the statistics concerning the care that our soldiers get with respect to the care that other soldiers get. I agree that there is always room for improvement. In this particular case I think that there was a lot of room for improvement.

    I don’t like to publicly comment (brag) about my private volunteer and charity activity but sine you asked if I care to give a donation, I’ll reply. I give blood every few months. I’m O-, making me a potentially universal blood donor. I continue to write letters of support and even send care packages.
     
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    Then why did Bill and Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Gore, et al, all decribe Iraq as an imminent threat?

    2001. FY2001 ended in September 2001.

    Did you see the FY2002 DOD budget and the increrases found therein?

    It did.
    Only people that dont have a clue about matters military dont think so.
     
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    How sensitive, compassionate and courageous of you.

    Next time it comes up, tell somone this:
    "Really, ma'am, I'm sorry your boy died in Iraq - but do you know how many people would suffer if we didn't invade? Surely, you can see that your baby isnt THAT important".

    It is, after all, your position.

    Lifes a bitch, hey M14? So...got that mental and emotional maturity yet?
     

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