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When the first proposal of "negotiation" is delivered by surrogates and toadies, while you're jetting about the country staging campaign rallies, then your "negotiation" is a fraud.What I find laughable is the lock-step acceptance that the first proposal of a negotiation is a line in the sand. Recent history tells us that it's the Republicans that have drawing lines, not the Democrats. I'm afraid your analysis is a FAIL, IMO, since the story isn't over by a long shot.
Wanna give us the Cliff Notes., Chumlee?
Sure. It is about 4 trillion dollars in proposed budget cuts.....with specifics.....set forth by the Obama administration.
Great reading.
And....I am more a Rick than a Chumlee.
You nutters should find out what direction he is taking before you decide to comment on it.
So after the election, I said in here, and I meant it. That I was hopeful that now that he was back in Office Obama would start worrying about legacy and less about his base and he might actually get serious about Balancing the Budget and Reforming Entitlements.
His plan, he out lined today blows that Hope right out of the water. It confirms to me that he is still as far left as ever, and has no intentions for working with the other side.
It's really a laughable plan, with no spending cuts at all, and another 50 Billion stimulus. then there is how he wants congress to give him the power to raise the Debt limit all on his own.
Clearly that is not a serious proposal, and he knows full well the GOP could never agree to it.
So, as I feared Obama actually wants us to go over the Cliff. He wants everyone's taxes to go up, and Defense spending to be gutted. He knows he can get both with out any of the blame simply by not compromising with the GOP now.
But, I don't really blame him. The GOP did this to themselves when they set up this fucking Cliff BS. They should have been able to predict that Obama would actually want it to happen.
That way he can blame taxes going up on all people on the GOP, and start calling for "new" tax cuts for the Middle and lower brackets after the first of the year.
It's going to be a very long 4 years, It is crystal clear to me now which direction Obama intends to go, the one I always thought he would go, despite holding out hope I was wrong.
Enjoy it America, You voted for it.
What I find laughable is the lock-step acceptance that the first proposal of a negotiation is a line in the sand. Recent history tells us that it's the Republicans that have drawing lines, not the Democrats. I'm afraid your analysis is a FAIL, IMO, since the story isn't over by a long shot.
Of course it's not a serious proposal...That's the point.
Then he can go out and call the republicans intransigent (even though only his toady underlings have ever met face-to-face with them) and his media buttbois will help him blame everything on the republicans.
It's 1995 all over again, dude.
Yeah sure, like you know what's serious or not. If the Republicans are being called intransigent, it's because of reactions like this. Get real. This is the first step in a negotiation and you're painting it as the final word. Jump the gun much?
When the first proposal of "negotiation" is delivered by surrogates and toadies, while you're jetting about the country staging campaign rallies, then your "negotiation" is a fraud.What I find laughable is the lock-step acceptance that the first proposal of a negotiation is a line in the sand. Recent history tells us that it's the Republicans that have drawing lines, not the Democrats. I'm afraid your analysis is a FAIL, IMO, since the story isn't over by a long shot.
Face it...Your Boiking is too much of a gutless dilettante to get involved with honest political negotiations.
Charles Main: "It's really a laughable plan, with no spending cuts at all, and another 50 Billion stimulus. then there is how he wants congress to give him the power to raise the Debt limit all on his own."
If so, and he won't budge, fiscal cliff. No deal. Screw him with daveman's tool.
When the first proposal of "negotiation" is delivered by surrogates and toadies, while you're jetting about the country staging campaign rallies, then your "negotiation" is a fraud.What I find laughable is the lock-step acceptance that the first proposal of a negotiation is a line in the sand. Recent history tells us that it's the Republicans that have drawing lines, not the Democrats. I'm afraid your analysis is a FAIL, IMO, since the story isn't over by a long shot.
Face it...Your Boiking is too much of a gutless dilettante to get involved with honest political negotiations.
You expect people to keep falling for that same old rap? Look, you've had your time, but people are getting sick of the same shit over and over again. It hasn't worked and it's time the Republicans came up with something new. The only fraud I see here is the notion that those that think like you ever intended to negotiate in good faith. I certainly hope Boehner and company play it a little smarter. I think this has gone way beyond your pay grade.
Wanna give us the Cliff Notes., Chumlee?
Sure. It is about 4 trillion dollars in proposed budget cuts.....with specifics.....set forth by the Obama administration.
Great reading.
And....I am more a Rick than a Chumlee.
Chumlee is the guy at the Vegas pawn shop....
So after the election, I said in here, and I meant it. That I was hopeful that now that he was back in Office Obama would start worrying about legacy and less about his base and he might actually get serious about Balancing the Budget and Reforming Entitlements.
His plan, he out lined today blows that Hope right out of the water. It confirms to me that he is still as far left as ever, and has no intentions for working with the other side.
It's really a laughable plan, with no spending cuts at all, and another 50 Billion stimulus. then there is how he wants congress to give him the power to raise the Debt limit all on his own.
Clearly that is not a serious proposal, and he knows full well the GOP could never agree to it.
So, as I feared Obama actually wants us to go over the Cliff. He wants everyone's taxes to go up, and Defense spending to be gutted. He knows he can get both with out any of the blame simply by not compromising with the GOP now.
But, I don't really blame him. The GOP did this to themselves when they set up this fucking Cliff BS. They should have been able to predict that Obama would actually want it to happen.
That way he can blame taxes going up on all people on the GOP, and start calling for "new" tax cuts for the Middle and lower brackets after the first of the year.
It's going to be a very long 4 years, It is crystal clear to me now which direction Obama intends to go, the one I always thought he would go, despite holding out hope I was wrong.
Enjoy it America, You voted for it.
What I find laughable is the lock-step acceptance that the first proposal of a negotiation is a line in the sand. Recent history tells us that it's the Republicans that have drawing lines, not the Democrats. I'm afraid your analysis is a FAIL, IMO, since the story isn't over by a long shot.
Yeah we shall see sweet heart.
I am telling you right now, Obama wants to go over the cliff and blame the GOP for it.
I see no evidence to convince me I am wrong.
When the first proposal of "negotiation" is delivered by surrogates and toadies, while you're jetting about the country staging campaign rallies, then your "negotiation" is a fraud.
Face it...Your Boiking is too much of a gutless dilettante to get involved with honest political negotiations.
You expect people to keep falling for that same old rap? Look, you've had your time, but people are getting sick of the same shit over and over again. It hasn't worked and it's time the Republicans came up with something new. The only fraud I see here is the notion that those that think like you ever intended to negotiate in good faith. I certainly hope Boehner and company play it a little smarter. I think this has gone way beyond your pay grade.
I have never had my time, Bank on that.
Obama and the Dems have been fully in control of this bus ride for a long time now, and still you can't seem to hold them accountable for shit.
To me that makes you a partisan hack not worth even talking to.
No, I'm asking you for specifics and you're deflecting and yammering incoherently like the aforementioned pop culture tool.
I'm not going to pour through an acre of disingenuous fucking White House boilerplate.
Willful Ignorance Alert!
Where are the cuts made, are they real cuts (as opposed to reductions to baseline increases), over what time frame are they proposed, and how much to what programs/agencies?
We can be sure there will be no cuts to the salary and benefits to members of Congress. Has anyone noticed those entitlements have not been mentioned by Boehner, McConnell or Ron and Rand Paul. Fucking hypocrites.
Why don't you find out which Congresscritters RETURN money to the Treasury before making bullshit accusations?
I think Congress should get a wage equal to the median US income. I think they should give up their retirement and health benefits and have them replaced with Soc Sec and Medicare.
And I think you're an ignorant hack to try and lay shit on Ron & Rand Paul when THEY'RE the guys giving money BACK!
Fucking asshole!
I'm looking at the same shit over again...It's the 1995 redux.When the first proposal of "negotiation" is delivered by surrogates and toadies, while you're jetting about the country staging campaign rallies, then your "negotiation" is a fraud.What I find laughable is the lock-step acceptance that the first proposal of a negotiation is a line in the sand. Recent history tells us that it's the Republicans that have drawing lines, not the Democrats. I'm afraid your analysis is a FAIL, IMO, since the story isn't over by a long shot.
Face it...Your Boiking is too much of a gutless dilettante to get involved with honest political negotiations.
You expect people to keep falling for that same old rap? Look, you've had your time, but people are getting sick of the same shit over and over again. It hasn't worked and it's time the Republicans came up with something new. The only fraud I see here is the notion that those that think like you ever intended to negotiate in good faith. I certainly hope Boehner and company play it a little smarter. I think this has gone way beyond your pay grade.
We can be sure there will be no cuts to the salary and benefits to members of Congress. Has anyone noticed those entitlements have not been mentioned by Boehner, McConnell or Ron and Rand Paul. Fucking hypocrites.
Why don't you find out which Congresscritters RETURN money to the Treasury before making bullshit accusations?
I think Congress should get a wage equal to the median US income. I think they should give up their retirement and health benefits and have them replaced with Soc Sec and Medicare.
And I think you're an ignorant hack to try and lay shit on Ron & Rand Paul when THEY'RE the guys giving money BACK!
Fucking asshole!
And I think you're an asshole. Maybe the Paul's give money back, maybe not. I have no idea but it's clear to me they have not offered a bill in their respective chambers to change the compensation for all members of Congress; yet, they're willing to cut entitlements to the average American.
BTW, I think you're signature suits you just fine.
Wry
No, I'm asking you for specifics and you're deflecting and yammering incoherently like the aforementioned pop culture tool.I see. You are going to be a straight-up dick in this thread too. So much for witty pawn shop humor.
Read the fucking thing. It is there for you. Take the time to learn about the topic that you claim is so important to you. Spending cuts.......outlined and everything.
Here is is again.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/ccs.pdf
I'm not going to pour through an acre of disingenuous fucking White House boilerplate.
Willful Ignorance Alert!
Where are the cuts made, are they real cuts (as opposed to reductions to baseline increases), over what time frame are they proposed, and how much to what programs/agencies?
We can be sure there will be no cuts to the salary and benefits to members of Congress. Has anyone noticed those entitlements have not been mentioned by Boehner, McConnell or Ron and Rand Paul. Fucking hypocrites.
This is serious. isn't it?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/ccs.pdf
So after the election, I said in here, and I meant it. That I was hopeful that now that he was back in Office Obama would start worrying about legacy and less about his base and he might actually get serious about Balancing the Budget and Reforming Entitlements.
His plan, he out lined today blows that Hope right out of the water. It confirms to me that he is still as far left as ever, and has no intentions for working with the other side.
It's really a laughable plan, with no spending cuts at all, and another 50 Billion stimulus. then there is how he wants congress to give him the power to raise the Debt limit all on his own.
Clearly that is not a serious proposal, and he knows full well the GOP could never agree to it.
So, as I feared Obama actually wants us to go over the Cliff. He wants everyone's taxes to go up, and Defense spending to be gutted. He knows he can get both with out any of the blame simply by not compromising with the GOP now.
But, I don't really blame him. The GOP did this to themselves when they set up this fucking Cliff BS. They should have been able to predict that Obama would actually want it to happen.
That way he can blame taxes going up on all people on the GOP, and start calling for "new" tax cuts for the Middle and lower brackets after the first of the year.
It's going to be a very long 4 years, It is crystal clear to me now which direction Obama intends to go, the one I always thought he would go, despite holding out hope I was wrong.
Enjoy it America, You voted for it.
You expect people to keep falling for that same old rap? Look, you've had your time, but people are getting sick of the same shit over and over again. It hasn't worked and it's time the Republicans came up with something new. The only fraud I see here is the notion that those that think like you ever intended to negotiate in good faith. I certainly hope Boehner and company play it a little smarter. I think this has gone way beyond your pay grade.
I have never had my time, Bank on that.
Obama and the Dems have been fully in control of this bus ride for a long time now, and still you can't seem to hold them accountable for shit.
To me that makes you a partisan hack not worth even talking to.
Then you're nothing but a cowardly wuss, because I could say the exact same thing about your "pronouncements". That's the problem, somebody makes strong argument against your position and suddenly they're "partisan hacks". PUH-LEASE, get over yourself. Look in a mirror if you're looking for a hack. It's the argument that says I can't really defend my position.
