My Verdict is in

[Charles_Main]

So after the election, I said in here, and I meant it. That I was hopeful that now that he was back in Office Obama would start worrying about legacy and less about his base and he might actually get serious about Balancing the Budget and Reforming Entitlements.

His plan, he out lined today blows that Hope right out of the water. It confirms to me that he is still as far left as ever, and has no intentions for working with the other side.

It's really a laughable plan, with no spending cuts at all, and another 50 Billion stimulus. then there is how he wants congress to give him the power to raise the Debt limit all on his own.

Clearly that is not a serious proposal, and he knows full well the GOP could never agree to it.

So, as I feared Obama actually wants us to go over the Cliff. He wants everyone's taxes to go up, and Defense spending to be gutted. He knows he can get both with out any of the blame simply by not compromising with the GOP now.

But, I don't really blame him. The GOP did this to themselves when they set up this fucking Cliff BS. They should have been able to predict that Obama would actually want it to happen.

That way he can blame taxes going up on all people on the GOP, and start calling for "new" tax cuts for the Middle and lower brackets after the first of the year.

It's going to be a very long 4 years, It is crystal clear to me now which direction Obama intends to go, the one I always thought he would go, despite holding out hope I was wrong.

Enjoy it America, You voted for it.

this wasn't a gop idea charles, just sayin' I agree going along was not a good call, but, at that time and place the debt ceiling, the media beating the shit out of them..*shrugs*

Bob Woodward sequester book could bolster GOP attack on W.H. - POLITICO.com

Exactly, no matter what happens. The Media will beat the shit out of the GOP. The war is UN-winnable.

lol

 

[Clementine]

Clower and Piven: Obama wants to destroy our economy, and redistribute our wealth to the rest of the world. Why this escapes people I'm not smart enough to understand - very, very tuff times ahead!

Why does he want to do this, exactly?

You have to tear it down before you can rebuild it the way you want. He doesn't agree with how our founding fathers set things up and thinks he can do better. Most socialists are like that and believe they can come up with the best way to run a country. All they need is total authority to run people's lives.

Read about the Cloward and Piven strategy or Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals", which Obama actually taught. Learn about a well-thought out plan to take down any country so it can be rebuilt into a socialist country. It's been done to many other countries and, needless to say, America has always presented the toughest challenge to the far left. First, they decided decades ago that it was necessary to infiltrate the education system to teach their ways to young minds full of mush. They had to push government dependency and the breakdown of the family, so the teachers, professors and social workers could take on the job of parenthood and raise kids to believe in the nanny government.

It's all laid out and has been followed to the letter. Obama gets the prize for pushing us the farthest in the shortest amount of time towards a transformation. Those who see government as Gods are all for it.

Some don't think people are smart enough to survive on their own. Only the elected idiots are capable of making the important decisions. Never mind that they can't figure out their own taxes, keep their own families together, do or say smart things. Somehow, because they have power and promise to take care of people, they must be good rulers of the universe.

When govenment fails, which it often does, they still confiscate our money and there's nothing we can do about their immense incompetence. Private companies have to deliver or they don't make it. I trust the private sector far more than the public sector.

 

[Darkwind]

Sure. It is about 4 trillion dollars in proposed budget cuts.....with specifics.....set forth by the Obama administration.

Great reading.

And....I am more a Rick than a Chumlee.

No, you're definitely a Chumlee...And just where do those alleged $4 bil in cuts come from and spread out over what time frame?

I see. You are going to be a straight-up dick in this thread too. So much for witty pawn shop humor.

Read the fucking thing. It is there for you. Take the time to learn about the topic that you claim is so important to you. Spending cuts.......outlined and everything.

Here is is again.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/ccs.pdf

Okay bud....I don't have the time right now to go through all of this, but I opened the document up and made a quick skim over some of it.

Perhaps you can tell Me how much of this document has this kind of language in it...

The Administration proposes to transition programs previously funded by the Assistance for Europe,
Eurasia and Central Asia (AEECA) account into other foreign assistance accounts and to reduce resources
for this region. These changes reflect the achievement of some assistance goals and the need to focus
resources on the highest global priorities.
Funding

If they are only moving funds from one account program to another account program, they have NOT CUT A FUCKING DIME from the budget.

This is the kind of language that is often used by the left. When asked what they cut, the can point to the Assistance for Europe and Eurasia/Central Asia program and say, "We cut that program!"

You realize that a statement of that nature given this information is called a lie, right?

So tell Me. How many of the programs listed on the White House website have this kind of language?

 

[Charles_Main]

No, you're definitely a Chumlee...And just where do those alleged $4 bil in cuts come from and spread out over what time frame?

I see. You are going to be a straight-up dick in this thread too. So much for witty pawn shop humor.

Read the fucking thing. It is there for you. Take the time to learn about the topic that you claim is so important to you. Spending cuts.......outlined and everything.

Here is is again.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/ccs.pdf

Okay bud....I don't have the time right now to go through all of this, but I opened the document up and made a quick skim over some of it.

Perhaps you can tell Me how much of this document has this kind of language in it...

The Administration proposes to transition programs previously funded by the Assistance for Europe,
Eurasia and Central Asia (AEECA) account into other foreign assistance accounts and to reduce resources
for this region. These changes reflect the achievement of some assistance goals and the need to focus
resources on the highest global priorities.
Funding

If they are only moving funds from one account program to another account program, they have NOT CUT A FUCKING DIME from the budget.

This is the kind of language that is often used by the left. When asked what they cut, the can point to the Assistance for Europe and Eurasia/Central Asia program and say, "We cut that program!"

You realize that a statement of that nature given this information is called a lie, right?

So tell Me. How many of the programs listed on the White House website have this kind of language?

true believers tend to ignore any evidence that does not jive with what they want to believe.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If he won't deal, then we have to take the hit and catch America's attention. Fiscal cliff.

Charles Main: "It's really a laughable plan, with no spending cuts at all, and another 50 Billion stimulus. then there is how he wants congress to give him the power to raise the Debt limit all on his own."

If so, and he won't budge, fiscal cliff. No deal. Screw him with daveman's tool.

You don't get it. That is what he wants. we will go over the cliff. Taxes will go up on everyone, Defense will be cut to the Bone, and Obama will not be blamed for any of it.

Then he can start pushing for a "new" Tax cut for the Middle Class and lower Brackets and play the hero.

It seems so clear to me, I don't see why more people can't see it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Oh! Now I get it!

The President hates America the way it is!

It all makes so much more sense now!

Thanks, guys. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[ilia25]

What I find laughable is the lock-step acceptance that the first proposal of a negotiation is a line in the sand.

Well, it'd better be a line in the sand! Obama should never compromise on entitlements.

If the deal requires us to cut future deficits, the only fair way to get there is by rising taxes on the rich.

 

[Article 15]

Wanna give us the Cliff Notes., Chumlee?

Sure. It is about 4 trillion dollars in proposed budget cuts.....with specifics.....set forth by the Obama administration.

Great reading.

And....I am more a Rick than a Chumlee.

No, you're definitely a Chumlee...And just where do those alleged $4 bil in cuts come from and spread out over what time frame?

For a guy who jumped in here acting like he knows something you sure are quite ignorant of the matter.

 

[Article 15]

No, you're definitely a Chumlee...And just where do those alleged $4 bil in cuts come from and spread out over what time frame?

I see. You are going to be a straight-up dick in this thread too. So much for witty pawn shop humor.

Read the fucking thing. It is there for you. Take the time to learn about the topic that you claim is so important to you. Spending cuts.......outlined and everything.

Here is is again.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/ccs.pdf

No, I'm asking you for specifics and you're deflecting and yammering incoherently like the aforementioned pop culture tool.

I'm not going to pour through an acre of disingenuous fucking White House boilerplate.

Where are the cuts made, are they real cuts (as opposed to reductions to baseline increases), over what time frame are they proposed, and how much to what programs/agencies?

In other words you prefer to stay ignorant on the matter and instead have him engage you in some form of uninformed bullshit contest....something you are an expert on.

 

[Cowman]

It confirms to me that he is still as far left as ever, and has no intentions for working with the other side.

He's not far left at all.

Do you people smoke crack fucking cocaine?

Jesus Christ.

 

[Article 15]

When the first proposal of "negotiation" is delivered by surrogates and toadies, while you're jetting about the country staging campaign rallies, then your "negotiation" is a fraud.

Face it...Your Boiking is too much of a gutless dilettante to get involved with honest political negotiations.

You expect people to keep falling for that same old rap? Look, you've had your time, but people are getting sick of the same shit over and over again. It hasn't worked and it's time the Republicans came up with something new. The only fraud I see here is the notion that those that think like you ever intended to negotiate in good faith. I certainly hope Boehner and company play it a little smarter. I think this has gone way beyond your pay grade.

I have never had my time, Bank on that.

Obama and the Dems have been fully in control of this bus ride for a long time now, and still you can't seem to hold them accountable for shit.

To me that makes you a partisan hack not worth even talking to.

You will never get "your time"....you are a right wing nut.

The closet thing you can hope for is a gop controlled gov't like 2003-2007.

 

[Harry Dresden]

We can be sure there will be no cuts to the salary and benefits to members of Congress. Has anyone noticed those entitlements have not been mentioned by Boehner, McConnell or Ron and Rand Paul. Fucking hypocrites.

Why don't you find out which Congresscritters RETURN money to the Treasury before making bullshit accusations?

I think Congress should get a wage equal to the median US income. I think they should give up their retirement and health benefits and have them replaced with Soc Sec and Medicare.

And I think you're an ignorant hack to try and lay shit on Ron & Rand Paul when THEY'RE the guys giving money BACK!

Fucking asshole!

And I think you're an asshole. Maybe the Paul's give money back, maybe not. I have no idea but it's clear to me they have not offered a bill in their respective chambers to change the compensation for all members of Congress; yet, they're willing to cut entitlements to the average American.

BTW, I think you're signature suits you just fine.

Wry

so are you saying the Democrats want to change their compensation?.....

 

[Two Thumbs]

He is working on destroying this country by spending too much money until the system falls apart.

Another fucking Stimulus??? Does he think this country is full of idiots?

He is a crack addict that is $100,000 in debt and stealing money from others to keep the habit going.

Yes
and

Yes, clearly he's right.


It's on youtube about him knowing it wouldn't work and laughing about it not working.