My Two Cents Regarding People Who Think Islam Is Intolerant.

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeoy6-E7BN0]YouTube - Islam = Intolerant?[/ame]

    Just putting it out there.

    And yes, I do realize that 10 minutes is not two cents.
     
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    It is very Tolerant as long as you are Muslim. Ask a christian living in Iran how tolerant they are of them, or a gay person in Saudi?

    They tolerate the things they want to tolerate and are intolerant of those things they do not want to Tolerate. :)
     
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    Kinda like close-minded right-wing Christians, right?
     
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    So...we want to model our "tolerance" on their "tolerance"?
     
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    Americans are forced by law to be tolerant of all religions. That does not mean the have to accept every religion with open arms. Just because you do not want something to happen and you speak out against it does not mean that if it happens you will not tolerate it. Acceptance and tolerance are not the same thing. When you accept something there is no strings attached you are good to go but if you tolerate something you do not necessarily care for it.

    If the mosque goes up it will test the tolerance of those against it. I am willing to bet that 99.999999 percent of the right wing Christians will be tolerant. Those who are not will be punished by judicial system.

    I highly doubt that you would get that kind of tolerance in Iran. I would like to know of a Christian based country currently (not in the dark ages) that would be as intolerant.
     
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    1. It's not a mosque. It's a community center with a swimming pool, gym, book store, restaurant and a prayer room. It's a multicultural center which means it is not restricted to Muslims.

    2. It's not at ground zero. It's two blocks away. You can't even see it from ground zero.

    3. Many 911 victims such as the 9/11 Parents & Families of Firefighters & WTC Victims and others, support the building of the center at this location.

    4. Many of the people killed in the attach were Muslims. There is a shrine planned in the center to honor those killed in the attack.

    5. If the builders of the mosque would decide to build it elsewhere, there is no guarantee that they won't be harassed for still being to close to ground zero, or close to a Christian church, or across the street from 911 victims home, or whatever..

    It will be a miracle if the opposition to the center does not inspire some nut to burn a mosque or a kill a few innocent people, something the terrorist would love to see.

     
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    1. I always knew about that it wasn't a mosque in the truest sense. It just seems that "Muslim Community Center That Has a Prayer Room", I guess, is too much to say. I really wish I could grab the people's attention with that lengthy title. Unfortunately, the American public is so used to calling it a mosque that I must refer it as that. It's imbued into their mind, and I unfortunately can't change that.

    2. It's still a tad bit near. Mind you, I'm really against any sort of religious building being built near Ground Zero. I don't think any religion should do it RIGHT NOW (I do understand there are centers of religion within range of Ground Zero, but they were built before 9/11, so it's okay). I'm Jewish, and I'd be against the idea of adding a synagogue near Ground Zero. However, though I'm against it, I wouldn't (and won't) be like one of these right-wingers and Christians who are protesting and are trying to limit the rights of the Muslims against the mosque/community center. It's not right.

    3. That's very good for them.

    4. I'm for a monument being built to honor the victims of Ground Zero. I think that's what we really need; just a giant monument.

    5. It's because these right-wingers are ridiculous. Again, I, like them, don't think the mosque should be built near Ground Zero, but they're actually trying to take away the religious rights of the Muslims, and I think that's much, much, much, much, MUCH more wrong.
     
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    Exactly like them yes.
     
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    Are you serious???

    1: You contradicted yourself with number 5. Anyway everything I have read (grant it I have not read everything)states that it will have a mosque inside.

    2: That is a mater of perspective. Some people feel that ground zero is not only the area of the towers but also any building that suffered damage. This build supposedly had one of the planes landing gear. (I did not read that in an article so I am not sure on that).

    3: Not all of the families support it. You have some on both sides just like you do in America. You even have 9/11 families that said they could careless what they do. I have also seen numerous Muslims who have spoke out against building at that particular location.

    4: It is true that Muslims did die in the attack. The victims of faith were the majority Christians. It is also true that everyone of the attackers were Muslim.

    5: You are correct. It does not guaranty anything. If the developer would have decided to move at the first sign of opposition not nearly as much negative attention would have been given to this situation.

    I am sure you are correct that some idiot will try to damage the building if it goes up. I am also sure if it goes up it will have a very good security system. I am sure that the idiot who tries to do something to the build will be caught and punished in our judicial system.

    Both sides present compelling arguments on whether to build it or not. The problem is that few people take time to see things from another point of view.
     
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    Please do not put words in my mouth. I was simply pointing out they are not as tolerant as some want us to think. They want us to be very tolerant of them, yet in most Muslim Nations if you are not a Muslim then tolerance is the last thing you experience.

    Of course I do not think we should base our tolerance on how tolerant they are, but at the same time we should not lie to ourselves and tell ourselves that they are super tolerant themselves, Because almost every example of a majority Muslim Society we have is NOT VERY TOLERANT!

    How can you call a people, who in almost every case where they get to run the show. Murder people who are not Muslim, or who are gay. Stone women to death for alleged adultery, and force women to live as second class citizens a very tolerant people?
     
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