My father has been in the ER for two days and nights waiting for a hospital bed

[Old Man Grumbles]

I have at least 300,000 anecdotal stories of people dying due to lack of health coverage....since we feel anecdotes are substitutes for empirical data and all.

According to your logic, the less people have health coverage, the better for hospitals....sure, those people may die, but hey -- at least you will be ok...as long as your insurance provider doesn't find a way to not pay out in order to increase profits

1. I worked in the hospital industry, as did my wife. My opinion is based on what I saw and what I discussed with others. Because I think it might happen, doesn't mean it will.

2.Nope, didn't say that either. However, under the current system insurance companies and hospitals set their rates to insure their bottom line is in the black.

3. I too lived in England for almost 5 years, I don't want to be under a system like that again!

 

[progressive hunter]

He’s in Hackensack hospital in New Jersey. Was suffering from nausea and wasn’t able to eat for a few days so we took him to the hospital. Now my question is that if we implement a single payer system doesn’t conventional wisdom tell us our hospitals will be even more overcrowded and of even less quality than they are now?

why cant they find him a bed???

They probably have 3,000 Puerto Ricans getting C-sections.

any proof of that???

 

[Leo123]

and when are we going to see seniors marching in the streets demanding that Medicare be privatized and they can get back to having the almighty profit motive make decisions about their health services???

For some reason, seniors keep on overwhelmingly loving their Medicare -- im thinking they must have become communist socialist traitors once they became AARP members

No, they were forced to PAY for it their WHOLE LIVES and most of the money they took is never given back. In fact most of the $$$ has already been spent by greedy politicians that can't keep their hands off other people's money.

 

[Mr Natural]

So you won’t suffer from lower pay...kewl.
And I’m sure you always worked at the lowest wage possible in unpopulated areas.
The people I know want to be rewarded
For their work.
And thanks to Trump, they’re making very good money.

Not nearly as much as we were making back in the day.

 

[debbiedowner]

He’s in Hackensack hospital in New Jersey. Was suffering from nausea and wasn’t able to eat for a few days so we took him to the hospital. Now my question is that if we implement a single payer system doesn’t conventional wisdom tell us our hospitals will be even more overcrowded and of even less quality than they are now?[/QUO

I’m just wondering what these proponents of single payer plan to do about the overcrowding of hospitals their system would bring.

Was it really the fact they had no beds or calling his stay an observation in which the hospital can bill much more? They do pull this shit.

 

[debbiedowner]

I agree.

Hope he is doing better.

Thanks. They did a cat scan on him and found out he has a colon infection. After giving him some antibiotics he’s feeling better

Diverticultis?

 

[debbiedowner]

and when are we going to see seniors marching in the streets demanding that Medicare be privatized and they can get back to having the almighty profit motive make decisions about their health services???

For some reason, seniors keep on overwhelmingly loving their Medicare -- im thinking they most have become communist socialist traitors once they became AARP members

How many supplement plans do they need to cover everything?

If you are going to discuss Medicare maybe you should also add the government does not cover everything and seniors carry supplement plans at an extra charge or did you not know this?

If Medicare doesn't pay supplements don't either.

 

[Tax Man]

Seems like here in California ER is a quick trip for my wife and me. No matter the problem we are seen rather promptly. Her with her problems and me with mine get seen in about 20 minutes.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

and when are we going to see seniors marching in the streets demanding that Medicare be privatized and they can get back to having the almighty profit motive make decisions about their health services???

For some reason, seniors keep on overwhelmingly loving their Medicare -- im thinking they must have become communist socialist traitors once they became AARP members

Medicare is fine. They send you letters and emails reminding you what procedures you qualify for to try and keep you healthier, They encourage you to do preventative medicine. I have no problems with Medicare other than it only covers 80 percent. In America, 20 percent can destroy your family.

I have at least 300,000 anecdotal stories of people dying due to lack of health coverage....since we feel anecdotes are substitutes for empirical data and all.

According to your logic, the less people have health coverage, the better for hospitals....sure, those people may die, but hey -- at least you will be ok...as long as your insurance provider doesn't find a way to not pay out in order to increase profits

1. I worked in the hospital industry, as did my wife. My opinion is based on what I saw and what I discussed with others. Because I think it might happen, doesn't mean it will.

2.Nope, didn't say that either. However, under the current system insurance companies and hospitals set their rates to insure their bottom line is in the black.

3. I too lived in England for almost 5 years, I don't want to be under a system like that again!

And the rest of the developed world doesn't want the health insurance industry we have......

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

and when are we going to see seniors marching in the streets demanding that Medicare be privatized and they can get back to having the almighty profit motive make decisions about their health services???

For some reason, seniors keep on overwhelmingly loving their Medicare -- im thinking they must have become communist socialist traitors once they became AARP members

No, they were forced to PAY for it their WHOLE LIVES and most of the money they took is never given back. In fact most of the $$$ has already been spent by greedy politicians that can't keep their hands off other people's money.

No, that is not how Medicare works......greedy politicians don't go spend up Medicare -- greedy politicians cut medicare so they can give taxcuts to other greedy people.

 

[Gornoodle]

Florida has lots of seniors and they are big-time Republican. They voted a guy into the governor and now a senator who ran a hospital that had the largest fines in history for Medicare fraud. You cannot figure them out easily. They seem to be reacting to some kind of fear. Perhaps hate, racial hate.

 

[Gornoodle]

What’s your profession?

Electrical Engineer (retired).

So you won’t suffer from lower pay...kewl.
And I’m sure you always worked at the lowest wage possible in unpopulated areas.
The people I know want to be rewarded
For their work.
And thanks to Trump, they’re making very good money.

A real engineer can read a graph. Trump's economy is on the same slope that Obama left him.He hasn't done anything except not fuck it up yet. He tried with tariffs that have harmed some industries badly.

 

[Indeependent]

So you won’t suffer from lower pay...kewl.
And I’m sure you always worked at the lowest wage possible in unpopulated areas.
The people I know want to be rewarded
For their work.
And thanks to Trump, they’re making very good money.

Not nearly as much as we were making back in the day.

The cost of owning a house has outpaced everything.

 

[Rambunctious]

He’s in Hackensack hospital in New Jersey. Was suffering from nausea and wasn’t able to eat for a few days so we took him to the hospital. Now my question is that if we implement a single payer system doesn’t conventional wisdom tell us our hospitals will be even more overcrowded and of even less quality than they are now?

Hope your dad is okay dude....
I took my uncle to his cardiologist on Monday...while I was waiting a women walked in and said she had eye trauma and her doctor told her to see a heart doctor immediately because her eye could have been a development of a serious heart issue....they told her she would have to wait for 5 weeks or drive 6 hours to LA....she left crying probably wondering how she was going to drive that far with one eye.....if I were king of the US...I would have Pelosi and Obama drawn and quartered on national TV....and then I would strip congress and the senate of their government health care coverage and put them on Obamacare....these careless people disgust me....

 

[Indeependent]

What’s your profession?

Electrical Engineer (retired).

So you won’t suffer from lower pay...kewl.
And I’m sure you always worked at the lowest wage possible in unpopulated areas.
The people I know want to be rewarded
For their work.
And thanks to Trump, they’re making very good money.

A real engineer can read a graph. Trump's economy is on the same slope that Obama left him.He hasn't done anything except not fuck it up yet. He tried with tariffs that have harmed some industries badly.

GWs Jumbo mortgages without business visas and trying to cut down on off-shoring and illegals.

 

[Slyhunter]

I have at least 300,000 anecdotal stories of people dying due to lack of health coverage....since we feel anecdotes are substitutes for empirical data and all.

According to your logic, the less people have health coverage, the better for hospitals....sure, those people may die, but hey -- at least you will be ok...as long as your insurance provider doesn't find a way to not pay out in order to increase profits

We can't afford to give everyone medical coverage who can't pay their own way. People who make the minimum wage, for example, can't afford and therefore shouldn't get top level medical care.

 

[Slyhunter]

Should someone tell them that Medicare for all only calls for the means of providing the most basic of healthcare coverage be done by the government??

This doesn't mean the doctors are all government doctors and the hospitals are government owned -- if you want to get some supplemental health insurance so you can have more than the rest of the peasants, you are welcome to.

Medicare for all means everyone's insurance only pays 90% of the cost and the doctors are supposed to eat the balance, like they do in Medicare. Insurance is not medical care and if they don't take your insurance you might as well not have any.

 

[Slyhunter]

Taking the profit motive out of providing health insurance to people doesn't mean students will stop studying life sciences -- can you show me anywhere among the other developed countries in the world where people have just stopped learning about organic chemistry??

Why do you feel it is necessary for private insurance companies to make billions for their shareholders at the expense of the consumers is the only way we can insure kids will grow up to want to study biology or chemistry?

An Aspirin in a Hospital cost like $30. Not because some Insurance company is milking the profits. But because part of the cost of the Aspirin is providing healthcare to people who don't pay what it cost. Medicare and Medicaid recipients, illegal immigrants and the general poor. Those who pay, pay more because of those who don't pay.

 

[Slyhunter]

He’s in Hackensack hospital in New Jersey. Was suffering from nausea and wasn’t able to eat for a few days so we took him to the hospital. Now my question is that if we implement a single payer system doesn’t conventional wisdom tell us our hospitals will be even more overcrowded and of even less quality than they are now?

The V.A. is what Single Payer will look like. The left will lie and deny but the reality your wait time at government ran clinics hours because doctors will close shop and become more scarce.

If the Single Payer is implemented then expect Mexico Medical Community to boom because of Americans crossing the border for Medical Treatment...

Then why is that the largest opposition to privatizing the VA are always the veterans themselves....and they consistently oppose it....

How is this possible? Are vets just a bunch of socialist commie libs?

Are they? I'm a Vet and I worry that if I get a VA card and have to show it to get medical care like Medicare or Medicaid patients do that I won't get the same level of care someone paying cash would get. Then there is the problem of some places won't take the VA card because it doesn't pay enough and the government can't force them to take it. Then we'll be just like the poor slobs with insurance nobody will take because they don't cover the cost of care and we might as well not have any insurance at all.

Plus I owe the VA $5,000 because I've never paid a co pay. They don't make you pay it. I can't afford the co pay so I don't pay it. If we turned VA into an insurance I bet those Hospitals will refuse us care if we don't pay it. Without my bi-polar medication I'll end up dead or in jail for murder. I remember what life was like before I got on my pills temper tantrums, and anxiety seasons flip flopping on my ass driving me crazy. I mostly destroyed property. But I've made threats and I felt the anger the barely controlled anger driving me to kill someone. I don't want to be that person again.

You might think that would be an argument for National Health Care Services. For those who end up in jail because unlike me they weren't medicated. But then we revert back to the problem that it isn't free. Someone has to pay for it. And there aren't enough rich folks around to pay all the poor folks medical services.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Taking the profit motive out of providing health insurance to people doesn't mean students will stop studying life sciences -- can you show me anywhere among the other developed countries in the world where people have just stopped learning about organic chemistry??

Why do you feel it is necessary for private insurance companies to make billions for their shareholders at the expense of the consumers is the only way we can insure kids will grow up to want to study biology or chemistry?

An Aspirin in a Hospital cost like $30. Not because some Insurance company is milking the profits. But because part of the cost of the Aspirin is providing healthcare to people who don't pay what it cost. Medicare and Medicaid recipients, illegal immigrants and the general poor. Those who pay, pay more because of those who don't pay.

You do understand you are basically making the case for universal healthcare right?

unless you think the better option is to not provide healthcare at all to people who can't afford to pay and somehow that will magically bring the cost of aspirin down??

By the way, this is what FoxBusiness says about those 30 bucks a pop aspirin pills....but what do they know...

"For starters, most emergency room prices are inflated based on the rates at which insurance companies will reimburse the hospital on a patient's behalf. That's why a single aspirin can cost $30 per pill in the E.R., which is more than six times the price for a bottle of them at the drug store."


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