My father asked me to kill him

This whole health care debate is not people vs. government, it's We, the people vs. special interests and an oligarchy...you stand up for people that view you as merely an ant...

What!!!???? You're a dumbass. The healthcare debate is about NOT saddling our kids, grandkids and great grandkids with hundreds of trillions of dollars of debt.

All you self centered, bleeding heart progressives who are a part of the me me me me me me me me I I I I I I I I I I I I gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme Bush did it generation better start pulling your fucking weight around this country and quit expecting the goddam government to take care of your pathetic asses from cradle to grave.
 
This whole health care debate is not people vs. government, it's We, the people vs. special interests and an oligarchy...you stand up for people that view you as merely an ant...

What!!!???? You're a dumbass. The healthcare debate is about NOT saddling our kids, grandkids and great grandkids with hundreds of trillions of dollars of debt.

All you self centered, bleeding heart progressives who are a part of the me me me me me me me me I I I I I I I I I I I I gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme Bush did it generation better start pulling your fucking weight around this country and quit expecting the goddam government to take care of your pathetic asses from cradle to grave.

Socialists, like that douchebag Bfgrn, WANT to saddle us with impossible debt so that the only possible option is to go to the nanny state for permission to piss.
 
I just wanted to let people know, if you expect a response from me on this thread, I am not going to post on this thread after this. There are few things that have made me this annoyed with someone. And quite frankly, I don't want to feel this way. So Id rather move on to better topics. Then fight over this and continue to think of what I consider, extremely disrespectful behavior. Clearly people both agree and disagree with me.

So rather than waste time with this, Im going to post elsewhere and go back to being my cheerful self. And don't bother to respond to this, i wont be reading them.
 
Keith Olbermann's 'raw' plea - THE WEEK

"Last Friday night, my father asked me to kill him." So began an impassioned and emotional "special comment" by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann on the eve of the health-care-reform summit. Olbermann used the graphic story of his father's terminal illness both to bash conservative "ghouls" like "Sarah Palin" who warned that Democratic health reform would lead to "death panels," and to make an impassioned plea for a sensible national policy on end-of-life care. Was Olbermann's much-discussed monologue a courageous use of his "raw" personal story, or a "twisted" partisan stunt?

We treat our pets better than we treat people.

You should be able to pick a day, say goodbye to your friends, and then leave this world.
 
This whole health care debate is not people vs. government, it's We, the people vs. special interests and an oligarchy...you stand up for people that view you as merely an ant...

What!!!???? You're a dumbass. The healthcare debate is about NOT saddling our kids, grandkids and great grandkids with hundreds of trillions of dollars of debt.

All you self centered, bleeding heart progressives who are a part of the me me me me me me me me I I I I I I I I I I I I gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme Bush did it generation better start pulling your fucking weight around this country and quit expecting the goddam government to take care of your pathetic asses from cradle to grave.

Socialists, like that douchebag Bfgrn, WANT to saddle us with impossible debt so that the only possible option is to go to the nanny state for permission to piss.

This kind of shit always cracks me up.

Reagan and the two Bushes created 92% of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

Check out this website and its links...

http://www.reaganbushdebt.org/
 
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Wow. There is some "level" at which YOU and your fellow travelers determine that profit is excessive.

Is 2% ok?

Is 5% too much?

Is there some level in between where YOU will "permit" a capitalist based business to generate profits?

Bfgrn got his pretty graph and chart from the Wonk Room at Think Progress, a site comparable to Moveon.org only less well researched and even more dishonestly partisan.

It is true, however, that some of those insurance execs are paid very very well, and that can look bad to somebody struggling to pay their healthcare insurance premiums, but the fact is that those execs are paid no better than execs of any very large multi-state organization with thousands of employees and very large budgets. If you busted all of them to zero, it would make a negligible difference in the bottom line and negligible difference in those insurance premiums.

What will bring down insurance premiums is breaking up the state monopolies--something the President for whatever reason has been resistant--tort reform, and encouraging a system where the employee would own the policy and could take it with him instead of the employer owning it. To bring insurance premiums down to easily affordable levels again, however, we are going to have to get the Federal government out of it altogether. Then, after a few hiccups and fine tuning, we would see things improve rapidly.

And you get your information from where? Insurance corporations with a vested interest in protecting their profits or think tanks funded BY corporations? WOW...

The source of how insurance corporations report phony low profit numbers in the article you dismiss comes from Princeton economist Uwe Reinhardt.

"Insurers are measuring their profits against total health care spending. That's all the money you and I and employers and insurers and the government spend for doctors' visits, hospitalizations, drugs and other things.

By using the total health care costs, their profits look lower."


I posted the charts of CEO compensation to make this point...if these corporations were really operating on 'so called' almost non existent profit margins, they couldn't pay these exorbitant executive compensations. And the chart is only CEO's, it doesn't show the numerous other high paid executives in all those 'poor' and struggling CARTELS. These 'poor' shoestring operations are able to spend $1.4 million dollars PER DAY to lobby against health care reform? They would have you believe they are the victims here.

I don't have any problem with anyone making money, even huge amounts of it, but in a true free market, everyone must benefits, not just the few. When only a small percentage is able to game the system, it becomes an oligarchy. We have socialism for the elite and free markets for the rest.

NOTE:
If you were paying attention, buying insurance across state lines is IN the health care bill President Obama and the Democrat's are proposing.

As I said in a previous post, we are now living in the smoking ruins of the failed Reagan revolution. The trends are crystal clear that trickle down never happened.

Here's an excerpt from an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal written by Jim Webb, who was part of the Reagan administration. It was written in 2006, BEFORE our economy crashed and burned. But all the warnings are clear in his article...

Featured Article - WSJ.com

The politics of the Karl Rove era were designed to distract and divide the very people who would ordinarily be rebelling against the deterioration of their way of life. Working Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag" while their way of life shifted ineluctably beneath their feet.

The most important--and unfortunately the least debated--issue in politics today is our society's steady drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th century.
 
Wow. There is some "level" at which YOU and your fellow travelers determine that profit is excessive.

Is 2% ok?

Is 5% too much?

Is there some level in between where YOU will "permit" a capitalist based business to generate profits?

Bfgrn got his pretty graph and chart from the Wonk Room at Think Progress, a site comparable to Moveon.org only less well researched and even more dishonestly partisan.

It is true, however, that some of those insurance execs are paid very very well, and that can look bad to somebody struggling to pay their healthcare insurance premiums, but the fact is that those execs are paid no better than execs of any very large multi-state organization with thousands of employees and very large budgets. If you busted all of them to zero, it would make a negligible difference in the bottom line and negligible difference in those insurance premiums.

What will bring down insurance premiums is breaking up the state monopolies--something the President for whatever reason has been resistant--tort reform, and encouraging a system where the employee would own the policy and could take it with him instead of the employer owning it. To bring insurance premiums down to easily affordable levels again, however, we are going to have to get the Federal government out of it altogether. Then, after a few hiccups and fine tuning, we would see things improve rapidly.






REALLY!!?? Although I like the idea of Tort reform tell me what % of HC costs are related to lawsuits?
 
Keith Olbermann's 'raw' plea - THE WEEK

"Last Friday night, my father asked me to kill him." So began an impassioned and emotional "special comment" by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann on the eve of the health-care-reform summit. Olbermann used the graphic story of his father's terminal illness both to bash conservative "ghouls" like "Sarah Palin" who warned that Democratic health reform would lead to "death panels," and to make an impassioned plea for a sensible national policy on end-of-life care. Was Olbermann's much-discussed monologue a courageous use of his "raw" personal story, or a "twisted" partisan stunt?

We treat our pets better than we treat people.

You should be able to pick a day, say goodbye to your friends, and then leave this world.

time's a-wastin'
 
Keith Olbermann's 'raw' plea - THE WEEK

"Last Friday night, my father asked me to kill him." So began an impassioned and emotional "special comment" by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann on the eve of the health-care-reform summit. Olbermann used the graphic story of his father's terminal illness both to bash conservative "ghouls" like "Sarah Palin" who warned that Democratic health reform would lead to "death panels," and to make an impassioned plea for a sensible national policy on end-of-life care. Was Olbermann's much-discussed monologue a courageous use of his "raw" personal story, or a "twisted" partisan stunt?

We treat our pets better than we treat people.

You should be able to pick a day, say goodbye to your friends, and then leave this world.

time's a-wastin'

Hey del...you can't compete intellectually, so you silence by censoring?

I just read a post on Sarah Palin that had a complete article posted except for the very last sentence...



Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
Abraham Lincoln
 
Keith Olbermann's 'raw' plea - THE WEEK

"Last Friday night, my father asked me to kill him." So began an impassioned and emotional "special comment" by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann on the eve of the health-care-reform summit. Olbermann used the graphic story of his father's terminal illness both to bash conservative "ghouls" like "Sarah Palin" who warned that Democratic health reform would lead to "death panels," and to make an impassioned plea for a sensible national policy on end-of-life care. Was Olbermann's much-discussed monologue a courageous use of his "raw" personal story, or a "twisted" partisan stunt?

We treat our pets better than we treat people.

You should be able to pick a day, say goodbye to your friends, and then leave this world.

time's a-wastin'

Could agree more , Nice knowing ya.
 
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REALLY!!?? Although I like the idea of Tort reform tell me what % of HC costs are related to lawsuits?

That's a good question.

There are different costs associated with it.

One is the direct cost of litigation. Paying for the lawyers and paying the judgments.

But (and I have not dug up the figures on this yet),* there are also the indirect costs. I suspect those are quite substantial and largely hidden.

The indirect costs include the practice of what we now call "defensive medicine." You know the drill. Patients come in with some mysterious maladies. The Doctors and hospitals and the various technicians do their medical detective work to find out what causes the medical problems in each case. But because they might get accused of having "missed" something along the way -- something that may have been needed much sooner -- they order lots of additional tests. And they order them even though the symptoms don't actually support the belief that the tests are particularly relevant to the symptoms or the likely causes. And they have to document the shit out of each and every decision. And they order consults. And those consulting doctors order additional tests because they'd be stupid to be left holding the bag....

Those costs are enormous and are flooding the health care processes in this country.

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Here's one first look:
A 2003 study by the US Department of Health and Human Services estimated the cost of defensive medicine at $60 billion a year. The American Medical Association pegs it at $200 billion. So does a recent study by PricewaterhouseCoopers’ Health Research Institute that calculates defensive medicine at $210 billion per year, or 10% of all healthcare spending.
[emphasis added] The Doctors Company | Must You Still Practice Defensive Medicine to Avert a Malpractice Lawsuit?

If it IS actually as high as 200 BILLION dollars per year, then over the course of the 10 years in the ObamaCare bills, the net savings might come to as much as $2 TRILLION dollars in savings if we could eliminate this kind of cost by attacking the thorny issue of "tort" reform.
 
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REALLY!!?? Although I like the idea of Tort reform tell me what % of HC costs are related to lawsuits?

That's a good question.

There are different costs associated with it.

One is the direct cost of litigation. Paying for the lawyers and paying the judgments.

But (and I have not dug up the figures on this yet),* there are also the indirect costs. I suspect those are quite substantial and largely hidden.

The indirect costs include the practice of what we now call "defensive medicine." You know the drill. Patients come in with some mysterious maladies. The Doctors and hospitals and the various technicians do their medical detective work to find out what causes the medical problems in each case. But because they might get accused of having "missed" something along the way -- something that may have been needed much sooner -- they order lots of additional tests. And they order them even though the symptoms don't actually support the belief that the tests are particularly relevant to the symptoms or the likely causes. And they have to document the shit out of each and every decision. And they order consults. And those consulting doctors order additional tests because they'd be stupid to be left holding the bag....

Those costs are enormous and are flooding the health care processes in this country.

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Here's one first look:
A 2003 study by the US Department of Health and Human Services estimated the cost of defensive medicine at $60 billion a year. The American Medical Association pegs it at $200 billion. So does a recent study by PricewaterhouseCoopers’ Health Research Institute that calculates defensive medicine at $210 billion per year, or 10% of all healthcare spending.
[emphasis added] The Doctors Company | Must You Still Practice Defensive Medicine to Avert a Malpractice Lawsuit?

If it IS actually as high as 200 BILLION dollars per year, then over the course of the 10 years in the ObamaCare bills, the net savings might come to as much as $2 TRILLION dollars in savings if we could eliminate this kind of cost by attacking the thorny issue of "tort" reform.

Tort reform...thanks for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt your are a statist...

You have NO problem with the Federal government dictating. You don't care if it undermines the justice system, ignores state rights and dictates what Americans that are wronged by neglect or abuse are entitled to. You are SCUM...an absolute dirt bag of a human being
 
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REALLY!!?? Although I like the idea of Tort reform tell me what % of HC costs are related to lawsuits?

That's a good question.

There are different costs associated with it.

One is the direct cost of litigation. Paying for the lawyers and paying the judgments.

But (and I have not dug up the figures on this yet),* there are also the indirect costs. I suspect those are quite substantial and largely hidden.

The indirect costs include the practice of what we now call "defensive medicine." You know the drill. Patients come in with some mysterious maladies. The Doctors and hospitals and the various technicians do their medical detective work to find out what causes the medical problems in each case. But because they might get accused of having "missed" something along the way -- something that may have been needed much sooner -- they order lots of additional tests. And they order them even though the symptoms don't actually support the belief that the tests are particularly relevant to the symptoms or the likely causes. And they have to document the shit out of each and every decision. And they order consults. And those consulting doctors order additional tests because they'd be stupid to be left holding the bag....

Those costs are enormous and are flooding the health care processes in this country.

_____________
Here's one first look:
A 2003 study by the US Department of Health and Human Services estimated the cost of defensive medicine at $60 billion a year. The American Medical Association pegs it at $200 billion. So does a recent study by PricewaterhouseCoopers’ Health Research Institute that calculates defensive medicine at $210 billion per year, or 10% of all healthcare spending.
[emphasis added] The Doctors Company | Must You Still Practice Defensive Medicine to Avert a Malpractice Lawsuit?

If it IS actually as high as 200 BILLION dollars per year, then over the course of the 10 years in the ObamaCare bills, the net savings might come to as much as $2 TRILLION dollars in savings if we could eliminate this kind of cost by attacking the thorny issue of "tort" reform.

If you factor in the direct costs of litigation, it isn't all that much--maybe 2%? However 2% of several billion isn't exactly chicken feed. We are talking 2% of 1/7th of our economy.

A physician (M.D.) friend who has done some personal research on this estimates that litigation plus defensive medicine plus higher malpractice insurance premiums plus higher health insurance premiums resulting from all three could easily equal 1/4 to 1/3 of all healthcare costs. This physician admits that all doctors are ordering test after test for which there is no medical indication just to avoid any possibility of being accused of being negligent by not ordering the tests.

Maybe that's why my neighbor lady noted a PSI test on the print out of some blood work she had done. No doubt her insurance paid for it too.
 
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REALLY!!?? Although I like the idea of Tort reform tell me what % of HC costs are related to lawsuits?

That's a good question.

There are different costs associated with it.

One is the direct cost of litigation. Paying for the lawyers and paying the judgments.

But (and I have not dug up the figures on this yet),* there are also the indirect costs. I suspect those are quite substantial and largely hidden.

The indirect costs include the practice of what we now call "defensive medicine." You know the drill. Patients come in with some mysterious maladies. The Doctors and hospitals and the various technicians do their medical detective work to find out what causes the medical problems in each case. But because they might get accused of having "missed" something along the way -- something that may have been needed much sooner -- they order lots of additional tests. And they order them even though the symptoms don't actually support the belief that the tests are particularly relevant to the symptoms or the likely causes. And they have to document the shit out of each and every decision. And they order consults. And those consulting doctors order additional tests because they'd be stupid to be left holding the bag....

Those costs are enormous and are flooding the health care processes in this country.

_____________
Here's one first look:
A 2003 study by the US Department of Health and Human Services estimated the cost of defensive medicine at $60 billion a year. The American Medical Association pegs it at $200 billion. So does a recent study by PricewaterhouseCoopers’ Health Research Institute that calculates defensive medicine at $210 billion per year, or 10% of all healthcare spending.
[emphasis added] The Doctors Company | Must You Still Practice Defensive Medicine to Avert a Malpractice Lawsuit?

If it IS actually as high as 200 BILLION dollars per year, then over the course of the 10 years in the ObamaCare bills, the net savings might come to as much as $2 TRILLION dollars in savings if we could eliminate this kind of cost by attacking the thorny issue of "tort" reform.

Tort reform...thanks for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt your are a statist...

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The Earth revolves on its axis making it appear that the sun rises in the East in the morning and sets in the West at night.

Similarly, in his laughably feeble effort to engage in "debate," Bfgrn can be counted upon to cry-out "Statist" whenever he has nothing intelligent or of any real value to say.

:cuckoo:

When the ignorant feeble-minded fucktard, Bfgrn, cannot handle the FACTS (and it is a fact that the abuse of the legal system has added enormous costs to our health care delivery in this nation), he's exactly like a one trick pony. "STATIST!"

The doucheberry, Bfgrn, doesn't even know what the word actually means. :lol::lol::lol:
 
Tort Reform Myths and Facts
Tort Reform Myths and Facts - Online Lawyer Source

In the most unambiguous terms, tort reform hurts the American people by taking away their legal rights to file a claim and receive fair compensation when they have been injured at the hands of another.

With an enormous bankroll and political clout, advocates of tort reform have done an impressive job convincing the American people that a tort reform “crisis” exists. An abundance of evidence indicates there is no crisis. Tort deformers, as consumer advocates call reformers, claim that “frivolous lawsuits” and greedy lawyers are congesting our courts, bankrupting corporations, and draining the economy. The facts clearly speak to the contrary. Below are some of the major myths perpetuated by advocates of tort reform and the facts, which prove their fiction.

1. MYTH: Frivolous lawsuits are flooding our legal system.

FACT: Frivolous lawsuits do not exist as represented by tort reformers.

FACT: The number of lawsuits has significantly decreased in recent years.

FACT: Businesses, not consumers, are far more likely to file frivolous lawsuits.


2. MYTH: Plaintiffs are being awarded outrageous and unwarranted sums of money for their losses.

FACT: The amount of compensation awarded in personal injury cases is in decline.

FACT: The payout in medical malpractice cases has decreased over the last four years.


3. MYTH: Capping damages lowers medical malpractice insurance premiums for doctors.

FACT: Tort reform caps result in savings for insurance companies NOT doctors.


4. MYTH: The tort system places a $300 billion burden on the economy.

FACT: There is no such thing as a tort-tax. The Congressional Budget Office has repudiated the so-called tort tax.


5. MYTH: Medical malpractice claims run up the cost of healthcare.

FACT: Medical malpractice claims have a negligible effect on US health costs.


6. MTYH: Lawsuits are filed at the slightest provocation.

FACT: Many people who are seriously injured never file a claim.


7. MYTH: Doctors are forced to practice “defensive medicine” for fear of medical malpractice lawsuits.

FACT: No evidence indicates that doctors practice “defensive medicine” as a response to lawsuit threats.


8. MYTH: Lawsuits threaten to drive doctors out of practice and bankrupt small businesses and factories.

FACT: Most lawsuits are not even filed against doctors or companies.

FACT: The number of lawsuits against doctors is decreasing while the number of practicing physicians is increasing.


9. MYTH: Punitive damages are awarded to often and for too much money.

FACT: Punitive damages are rarely rewarded in civil suits.



OTHER FACTS

* In 1995, the tobacco industry funded half the American Tort Reform Association''s budget – $5.5 million a year. The money trail of many tort reform advocacy groups is traced to big tobacco, the pharmaceutical industry, large corporate donors, auto manufacturers, and medical associations.

* Less than 6 percent of the nation''s doctors are responsible for over 57 percent of the payouts in medical malpractice lawsuits. (Public Citizen 4/2005)

* Of all the personal injury claims filed, only five percent are medical malpractice claims and another five percent are product liability claims. A big percentage of personal injury claims are filed by one citizen against another in a vehicle accident claim.

* Victims bear the lion''s share of medical malpractice costs—including lost lives, additional medical expenses, time out of work, pain and suffering, and more.
 
Keith Olbermann's 'raw' plea - THE WEEK

"Last Friday night, my father asked me to kill him." So began an impassioned and emotional "special comment" by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann on the eve of the health-care-reform summit. Olbermann used the graphic story of his father's terminal illness both to bash conservative "ghouls" like "Sarah Palin" who warned that Democratic health reform would lead to "death panels," and to make an impassioned plea for a sensible national policy on end-of-life care. Was Olbermann's much-discussed monologue a courageous use of his "raw" personal story, or a "twisted" partisan stunt?

I see Keith finally got something right. Obamacare will certainly end his father's life. Problem is, my parents don't want that option.
 
That's a good question.

There are different costs associated with it.

One is the direct cost of litigation. Paying for the lawyers and paying the judgments.

But (and I have not dug up the figures on this yet),* there are also the indirect costs. I suspect those are quite substantial and largely hidden.

The indirect costs include the practice of what we now call "defensive medicine." You know the drill. Patients come in with some mysterious maladies. The Doctors and hospitals and the various technicians do their medical detective work to find out what causes the medical problems in each case. But because they might get accused of having "missed" something along the way -- something that may have been needed much sooner -- they order lots of additional tests. And they order them even though the symptoms don't actually support the belief that the tests are particularly relevant to the symptoms or the likely causes. And they have to document the shit out of each and every decision. And they order consults. And those consulting doctors order additional tests because they'd be stupid to be left holding the bag....

Those costs are enormous and are flooding the health care processes in this country.

_____________
Here's one first look: [emphasis added] The Doctors Company | Must You Still Practice Defensive Medicine to Avert a Malpractice Lawsuit?

If it IS actually as high as 200 BILLION dollars per year, then over the course of the 10 years in the ObamaCare bills, the net savings might come to as much as $2 TRILLION dollars in savings if we could eliminate this kind of cost by attacking the thorny issue of "tort" reform.

Tort reform...thanks for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt your are a statist...

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The Earth revolves on its axis making it appear that the sun rises in the East in the morning and sets in the West at night.

Similarly, in his laughably feeble effort to engage in "debate," Bfgrn can be counted upon to cry-out "Statist" whenever he has nothing intelligent or of any real value to say.

:cuckoo:

When the ignorant feeble-minded fucktard, Bfgrn, cannot handle the FACTS (and it is a fact that the abuse of the legal system has added enormous costs to our health care delivery in this nation), he's exactly like a one trick pony. "STATIST!"

The doucheberry, Bfgrn, doesn't even know what the word actually means. :lol::lol::lol:

I know exactly what it means, and I know exactly what you are...a statist

You consistently prove you have no qualms empowering government to dictate, especially if there is some form of punishment or restriction of another persons liberty involved. Your overt statism is obvious and clear for all to see, except for you...

You also love to swallow the cum of the rich...you'd lick it right off the floor...
 
Tort reform...thanks for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt your are a statist...

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The Earth revolves on its axis making it appear that the sun rises in the East in the morning and sets in the West at night.

Similarly, in his laughably feeble effort to engage in "debate," Bfgrn can be counted upon to cry-out "Statist" whenever he has nothing intelligent or of any real value to say.

:cuckoo:

When the ignorant feeble-minded fucktard, Bfgrn, cannot handle the FACTS (and it is a fact that the abuse of the legal system has added enormous costs to our health care delivery in this nation), he's exactly like a one trick pony. "STATIST!"

The doucheberry, Bfgrn, doesn't even know what the word actually means. :lol::lol::lol:

I know exactly what it means, * * * *

No. No you don't fart chomper.

You are the Statist, when we get right down to it.

But you are also a rancid diseased maggot-infested twat and a filthy degenerate liar.
 
Hi Right:

Keith Olbermann's 'raw' plea - THE WEEK

"Last Friday night, my father asked me to kill him." So began an impassioned and emotional "special comment" by MSNBC host Keith Olbermann on the eve of the health-care-reform summit. Olbermann used the graphic story of his father's terminal illness both to bash conservative "ghouls" like "Sarah Palin" who warned that Democratic health reform would lead to "death panels," and to make an impassioned plea for a sensible national policy on end-of-life care. Was Olbermann's much-discussed monologue a courageous use of his "raw" personal story, or a "twisted" partisan stunt?

My Aunt Levon (father's side) took me by the hand a family reunion some years ago to inform me that she was going to stop the pain by stopping all food consumption. Two weeks later she passed away in the middle of the night.

The Lesson: When you are ready to cash in the chips, then take the responsibility upon yourself ...

Too easy and nobody else to blame for anything ...

GL,

Terral
 

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