Mueller Summary Released

[Darkwind]

No obstruction, no collusion. Summarized that there was no wrongdoing by this President in the matter of Russian interference with the 2016 election and that his conduct regarding the investigation was reasonable.

Good enough for Me.

 

[Flash]

Now the idiots that voted for Crooked Hillary are going to have to come up with another excuse of why their girl lost.

 

[deanrd]

The special counsel “does not exonerate” Trump of obstructing justice, Barr said, and his report “sets out evidence on both sides of the question.”

Evidence on both sides?

I think these Republicans are jumping the gun.

 

[leftwinger]

Off topic.
Did the Chipmunk get face work done? Looks tight? Different? Funny. Real name Brett Bair i think.

 

[Clementine]

Now they should investigate the left for allowing illegals to vote. That is the ultimate foreign interference in our elections.

 

[depotoo]

Rosenstein was involved.

No obstruction of justice.

No he said he didn't decide one way or another if he did or not.

Mueller did not make a determination. He left it to the AG and DAG. They determined upon review that there was no obstruction.

I don't think they said Rosenstein made that decision. They said it was Barr that made that decision.

 

[OldLady]

No obstruction of justice.

No he said he didn't decide one way or another if he did or not.

Mueller didn't decide, so AG Barr did. And he decided there was not sufficient evidence to charge the President with obstruction of justice.
Here are the excerpts from his summary, and a link to the whole thing.

After making a "thorough factual investigation" into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion -- one way or the other – as to whether the examined conducted constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated , the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as "difficult issues" of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

The AG goes on to explain that since Mueller did not come to any legal conclusions on this, it is up to Barr himself to determine whether there was a crime. He determined there was not.

AG Barr quotes Mueller as saying "the evidence does not establish that the President wa involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference."

Read: Justice Department summary of Mueller report - CNNPolitics

 

[leftwinger]

Suck it up buttercups. Jigs up. It was a Witch-Hunt as we all knew. No there there. Nothing new.

 

[theHawk]

No obstruction of justice.

No he said he didn't decide one way or another if he did or not.

He has no evidence of any obstruction, and there was no underlying crime committed in the first place.

Now go pound sand.

 

[Lewdog]

So Mueller made no decision on obstruction, but suddenly Barr is making the decision there is no obstruction. How odd.

Tough day??

Nope. Trump doesn't have much longer to serve as President. Regardless of Mueller's findings, we learned quite clearly that Russians have interfered with our election process, and now we can work on ways to prevent that in the future. That is the most important outcome from this.

Mueller didn't say whether Trump obstructed Justice and the AG suddenly decided in two days that Trump didn't obstruct justice. That is quite odd. You are talking about a quite serious issue, and he didn't take very long to finish things. Mueller himself said that his findings did not exonerate Trump.

 

[SweetSue92]

No obstruction of justice.

No he said he didn't decide one way or another if he did or not.

Mueller didn't decide, so AG Barr did. And he decided there was not sufficient evidence to charge the President with obstruction of justice.
Here are the excerpts from his summary, and a link to the whole thing.

After making a "thorough factual investigation" into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion -- one way or the other – as to whether the examined conducted constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated , the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as "difficult issues" of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

The AG goes on to explain that since Mueller did not come to any legal conclusions on this, it is up to Barr himself to determine whether there was a crime. He determined there was not.

AG Barr quotes Mueller as saying "the evidence does not establish that the President wa involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference."

Read: Justice Department summary of Mueller report - CNNPolitics

No such determinations would EVER need to be given to the Obama administration, who wiretapped their political enemies for political gain.

If liberals have even half a brain left--which is doubtful--they will quit while they are ahead. But being liberals, I give that about a 10% chance. Good luck with winners like Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell and Maxine Waters in your court.

 

[SweetSue92]

So Mueller made no decision on obstruction, but suddenly Barr is making the decision there is no obstruction. How odd.

Tough day??

Nope. Trump doesn't have much longer to serve as President. Regardless of Mueller's findings, we learned quite clearly that Russians have interfered with our election process, and now we can work on ways to prevent that in the future. That is the most important outcome from this.

Mueller didn't say whether Trump obstructed Justice and the AG suddenly decided in two days that Trump didn't obstruct justice. That is quite odd. You are talking about a quite serious issue, and he didn't take very long to finish things. Mueller himself said that his findings did not exonerate Trump.

Oh no sweetheart. That is not what you cried about for OVER TWO YEARS. What you and your ilk cried about for OVER TWO YEARS was COLLUSION. We all know the Ruskies will interfere with our elections any chance they get--mostly with Hillary's help if she can.

Don't try to do clean up on aisle 11 now. We can look your crap up, you know.

 

[leftwinger]

I turned on MSNBC first time since Nov 08, 2916. Some hater looks sad, talking in a quiet voice. Guest on phone blaming Bill Barr, saying how can he say this in 48 hours!

Back to NCAA BBall..

 

[miketx]

How is no further indictments the same as no indictments?
Republicans don’t seem to be terribly bright

 

[Lewdog]

No obstruction of justice.

No he said he didn't decide one way or another if he did or not.

Mueller didn't decide, so AG Barr did. And he decided there was not sufficient evidence to charge the President with obstruction of justice.
Here are the excerpts from his summary, and a link to the whole thing.

After making a "thorough factual investigation" into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion -- one way or the other – as to whether the examined conducted constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated , the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as "difficult issues" of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

The AG goes on to explain that since Mueller did not come to any legal conclusions on this, it is up to Barr himself to determine whether there was a crime. He determined there was not.

AG Barr quotes Mueller as saying "the evidence does not establish that the President wa involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference."

Read: Justice Department summary of Mueller report - CNNPolitics

But just like I said, it is quite odd that Barr could make this decision in JUST 48 hours, after a 2 year long investigation and all the evidence. The man who wrote the rules for a special counsel is now on tv saying the exact same thing as I have. Barr rushed his decision, and wonders if he was doing something wrong.

 

[Lewdog]

No obstruction of justice.

No he said he didn't decide one way or another if he did or not.

He has no evidence of any obstruction, and there was no underlying crime committed in the first place.

Now go pound sand.

Not true at all. Mueller said he could not come up with a decision one way or another, and that his results do not exonerate Trump.

 

[theHawk]

No obstruction of justice.

No he said he didn't decide one way or another if he did or not.

He has no evidence of any obstruction, and there was no underlying crime committed in the first place.

Now go pound sand.

Not true at all. Mueller said he could not come up with a decision one way or another, and that his results do not exonerate Trump.

Investigators do not “exonerate”, they search for evidence of crimes.

He found zero evidence for collusion, period.

You lost. Have fun spinning it otherwise.

 

[Lewdog]

So Mueller made no decision on obstruction, but suddenly Barr is making the decision there is no obstruction. How odd.

Tough day??

Nope. Trump doesn't have much longer to serve as President. Regardless of Mueller's findings, we learned quite clearly that Russians have interfered with our election process, and now we can work on ways to prevent that in the future. That is the most important outcome from this.

Mueller didn't say whether Trump obstructed Justice and the AG suddenly decided in two days that Trump didn't obstruct justice. That is quite odd. You are talking about a quite serious issue, and he didn't take very long to finish things. Mueller himself said that his findings did not exonerate Trump.

Oh no sweetheart. That is not what you cried about for OVER TWO YEARS. What you and your ilk cried about for OVER TWO YEARS was COLLUSION. We all know the Ruskies will interfere with our elections any chance they get--mostly with Hillary's help if she can.

Don't try to do clean up on aisle 11 now. We can look your crap up, you know.

What I cried about? We discussed what was going on over the investigation. Most of us said we trusted whatever Mueller decided.

On the other hand... Trump supporters on this forum yelled for 2 years it was a witch hunt and that Mueller was a biased crook. Suddenly today they trust Mueller's final results.

 

[Lewdog]

No obstruction of justice.

No he said he didn't decide one way or another if he did or not.

He has no evidence of any obstruction, and there was no underlying crime committed in the first place.

Now go pound sand.

Not true at all. Mueller said he could not come up with a decision one way or another, and that his results do not exonerate Trump.

Investigators do not “exonerate”, they search for evidence of crimes.

He found zero evidence for collusion, period.

You lost. Have fun spinning it otherwise.

This is down right dense. Mueller's investigation had the ability to go in front of a grand jury and get indictments. Mueller clearly stated his results do not exonerate Trump when it comes to obstruction of justice. It's clear as day.

 

[OldLady]

No obstruction of justice.

No he said he didn't decide one way or another if he did or not.

Mueller didn't decide, so AG Barr did. And he decided there was not sufficient evidence to charge the President with obstruction of justice.
Here are the excerpts from his summary, and a link to the whole thing.

After making a "thorough factual investigation" into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion -- one way or the other – as to whether the examined conducted constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated , the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as "difficult issues" of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

The AG goes on to explain that since Mueller did not come to any legal conclusions on this, it is up to Barr himself to determine whether there was a crime. He determined there was not.

AG Barr quotes Mueller as saying "the evidence does not establish that the President wa involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference."

Read: Justice Department summary of Mueller report - CNNPolitics

No such determinations would EVER need to be given to the Obama administration, who wiretapped their political enemies for political gain.

If liberals have even half a brain left--which is doubtful--they will quit while they are ahead. But being liberals, I give that about a 10% chance. Good luck with winners like Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell and Maxine Waters in your court.

From what I've seen so far, I would rather see everyone put this on the shelf and focus on a positive election campaign instead. I said I'd accept the Mueller report findings, and if that summary is accurate, I'm going to hold myself to that promise. Of course, that is a conditional decision, based on what the whole report says. If Barr is cherry picking Mueller's findings, hopefully we will find that out, too.