MTG Describes the Form 1023 in Detail in a Press gaggle

[Seymour Flops]

Some of the details:

It was two payments of five million each by Burisma to two different Bidens. Burisma wanted to buy a U.S. based oil company at the advice of Hunter Biden and associates. The current prosecutor investigating Burisma was corrupt. Burisma had hired Hunter to make the problem go away. The informant advised Burisma to simply hire an attorney and work out their problems with the prosecutor.

The owner of Burisma said that Hunter was stupid, but that his business partner was smart. He specifically hired Hunter to get the prosecutor fired. This was common practice in Ukraine. The owner kept records of the bribes, also common practice to have leverage over the bribed person.

The FBI knew full well that Republican politicians would tell us what they saw. They hid no information with their "we'll only show it to you in the SCIF" maneuver.

What they wanted was for the American people not to see it in black and white from an informant that the FBI has shown $200K worth of confidence in over the past two years. They hoped it would be less damaging if the information came to the American people through politicians instead of directly.

It will probably work. As a political strategy, it is sound. If we paid the FBI to be political operatives for the Demcrats, we would be getting our money's worth.

 

[Care4all]

So money was NOT paid to Joe Biden as was claimed???

 

[Care4all]

And the whistle blower source on the FD-1023 was the corrupt owner of Burisma???

 

[Seymour Flops]

So money was NOT paid to Joe Biden as was claimed???

Who claimed that? It was paid to Biden family members.

And the whistle blower source on the FD-1023 was the corrupt owner of Burisma???

I didn't hear anyone say that. The whistle blower was whoever approached congress with the information about the existence of the Form 1023. I don't know if the whistle blower is the trusted source or not. Someone else might know that.

The trusted source was someone in a position to advise the corrupt owner of Burisma about how to deal with the corrupt prosecutor pursuing him by paying the corrupt Biden family to insist the prosecutor be fired.

 

[Care4all]

Who claimed that? It was paid to Biden family members.


I didn't hear anyone say that. The whistle blower was whoever approached congress with the information about the existence of the Form 1023. I don't know if the whistle blower is the trusted source or not. Someone else might know that.

The trusted source was someone in a position to advise the corrupt owner of Burisma about how to deal with the corrupt prosecutor pursuing him by paying the corrupt Biden family to insist the prosecutor be fired.

All the right wingers starting and posting to all the threads on it....claimed this FD 1023 whistle blower report said Joe Biden received $5 million to change foreign policy in the favor or the Foreign national who paid him.

 

[Care4all]

This is from 2019....

This 2016 letter proves that GOP attacks on Biden over Ukraine are nonsense

It wasn’t just Biden who wanted reform in the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office. Republican senators did, too.

www.vox.com

Trump’s core argument against Joe Biden is that then-Vice President Biden improperly used the power of his office to get a Ukrainian general prosecutor fired in order to stop him from investigating a Ukrainian gas company that Biden’s son Hunter served on the board of.

The reality is that the Obama administration — as well as many other Western European officials — wanted the prosecutor, a man named Viktor Shokin, removed because he was believed to be trying to stymie anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. In other words, if anything, Biden’s efforts could have put his son in more legal jeopardy, not less.

Yet the conspiracy theory persists and has been repeated by Trump’s Republican allies on Fox News and in Congress. But it turns out Republicans have failed to mention one important thing: At least three GOP senators at the time also wanted that Ukrainian prosecutor fired.

CNN uncovered a letter dated February 12, 2016, in which Sens. Rob Portman (R-OH), Ron Johnson (R-WI), and Mark Kirk (R-IL), along with several Democratic senators, called for Ukraine’s then-president to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.” Four days later, Shokin resigned (although he didn’t officially leave until the following month when Ukraine’s Parliament voted him out).

In other words, both Republicans and Democrats in the US — and many European nations — wanted Shokin gone for failing to clamp down on graft.

The letter is a major blow to Trump’s argument that Biden somehow went rogue and tried to get Shokin fired to protect his son. Biden himself has been incredibly consistent on this point, saying he legitimately pushed for the prosecutor’s ouster with international backing and that he never spoke to his son about his Ukraine work.

 

[Seymour Flops]

All the right wingers starting and posting to all the threads on it....claimed this FD 1023 whistle blower report said Joe Biden received $5 million to change foreign policy in the favor or the Foreign national who paid him.

I haven't seen any of those claims, but I don't doubt that some right wingers jumped to that conclusion. Jumping to conclusions is what happens when our government hides information from us.

So, it sounds like you're fine with Burisma paying five million each to two different Biden family members as long as the money was not paid directly by Burisma to VP Joe Biden.

 

[Seymour Flops]

This is from 2019....

This 2016 letter proves that GOP attacks on Biden over Ukraine are nonsense

It wasn’t just Biden who wanted reform in the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office. Republican senators did, too.

www.vox.com

Trump’s core argument against Joe Biden is that then-Vice President Biden improperly used the power of his office to get a Ukrainian general prosecutor fired in order to stop him from investigating a Ukrainian gas company that Biden’s son Hunter served on the board of.

The reality is that the Obama administration — as well as many other Western European officials — wanted the prosecutor, a man named Viktor Shokin, removed because he was believed to be trying to stymie anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. In other words, if anything, Biden’s efforts could have put his son in more legal jeopardy, not less.

Yet the conspiracy theory persists and has been repeated by Trump’s Republican allies on Fox News and in Congress. But it turns out Republicans have failed to mention one important thing: At least three GOP senators at the time also wanted that Ukrainian prosecutor fired.

CNN uncovered a letter dated February 12, 2016, in which Sens. Rob Portman (R-OH), Ron Johnson (R-WI), and Mark Kirk (R-IL), along with several Democratic senators, called for Ukraine’s then-president to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.” Four days later, Shokin resigned (although he didn’t officially leave until the following month when Ukraine’s Parliament voted him out).

In other words, both Republicans and Democrats in the US — and many European nations — wanted Shokin gone for failing to clamp down on graft.

The letter is a major blow to Trump’s argument that Biden somehow went rogue and tried to get Shokin fired to protect his son. Biden himself has been incredibly consistent on this point, saying he legitimately pushed for the prosecutor’s ouster with international backing and that he never spoke to his son about his Ukraine work.

Sounds like Burisma didn't even need to pay the bribes, since so many people wanted Shokin fired anyway.

 

[Care4all]

I haven't seen any of those claims, but I don't doubt that some right wingers jumped to that conclusion. Jumping to conclusions is what happens when our government hides information from us.

So, it sounds like you're fine with Burisma paying five million each to two different Biden family members as long as the money was not paid directly by Burisma to VP Joe .

Burisma paid Hunter and his partner as board members.

There has been no criminality shown.

Getting paid by a foreign company for being a member of their board, even if overpaid, is not a crime....

it may appear crooked, but the appearance, is still not a crime for Hunter or Jim.

a crime has to be committed, to be criminal....it is that simple.

if a crime was committed, then go after them with the full force of the law.

but this political innuendo shit by Republican Congress Critters, is also a witch hunt on a private citizen, and is unethical, in the least.

 

[Oddball]

This is from 2019....

This 2016 letter proves that GOP attacks on Biden over Ukraine are nonsense

It wasn’t just Biden who wanted reform in the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office. Republican senators did, too.

www.vox.com

Trump’s core argument against Joe Biden is that then-Vice President Biden improperly used the power of his office to get a Ukrainian general prosecutor fired in order to stop him from investigating a Ukrainian gas company that Biden’s son Hunter served on the board of.

The reality is that the Obama administration — as well as many other Western European officials — wanted the prosecutor, a man named Viktor Shokin, removed because he was believed to be trying to stymie anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. In other words, if anything, Biden’s efforts could have put his son in more legal jeopardy, not less.

Yet the conspiracy theory persists and has been repeated by Trump’s Republican allies on Fox News and in Congress. But it turns out Republicans have failed to mention one important thing: At least three GOP senators at the time also wanted that Ukrainian prosecutor fired.

CNN uncovered a letter dated February 12, 2016, in which Sens. Rob Portman (R-OH), Ron Johnson (R-WI), and Mark Kirk (R-IL), along with several Democratic senators, called for Ukraine’s then-president to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.” Four days later, Shokin resigned (although he didn’t officially leave until the following month when Ukraine’s Parliament voted him out).

In other words, both Republicans and Democrats in the US — and many European nations — wanted Shokin gone for failing to clamp down on graft.

The letter is a major blow to Trump’s argument that Biden somehow went rogue and tried to get Shokin fired to protect his son. Biden himself has been incredibly consistent on this point, saying he legitimately pushed for the prosecutor’s ouster with international backing and that he never spoke to his son about his Ukraine work.

So that was republicans I saw bragging to the CFR, about extorting the Ukrainians with foreign aid loot to force political policy.

I'm so glad you cleared that up.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

This a hoax and a witch hunt, period.