Movie Dialog and the Deterioration of Culture

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What happened to witty banter in film?

  1. we became to stupid to understand it

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  2. we became to stupid to write it

    25.0%
  3. we'd rather watch shiny objects

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  4. Movies are as witty as they ever were

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  1. Samson
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    Some of you may like to watch old movies.

    What do I mean by "Old?"

    If a man and woman kissed in an "old movie," then the next scene showed him putting on his tie, everyone knew what had happened without a freaking explicite scene designed to leave no confusion in the minds of the Bone-Headed.

    The dialog was witty banter.

    There was, not could there be, much reliance on technology to entertain the viewer: there had to be a STORY.

    I wonder if writing good movies has become simply impossible, or has the public become so stupid that the market for well written dialog evaporated?
     
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    I voted for too stupid to write but I also feel people are more concerned with special effects than the storyline and acting.

    Its a shame. Most new movies are just blah as far as plot and substance go.
     
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    That's because there is not much original plot or writing anymore. Even Avatar while beautiful had no real original ideas. Movies have been around for a hundred years or so. A lot of the great ideas have already been done. What stands out now a days is a idea that is taken and made into a original one.
     
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    Just about the last flick my spouse and I bought a ticket to see was the "FIRM" with Tom Cruise about '93. After hearing the word F*** more times than either of us could bear we got up and walked out. I suppose there is a market for that, but most adults aren't excited by it. Since then the only other flick we've paid for (actually untrue; a birthday gift by son and wife) was the recent Star Trek which had way too many special effects; as you say, too much reliance on technology. I pretended to enjoy but wasn't much impressed. We wait for them on TV or rent DVD's, but only rent those which come highly recommended.

    On that score I highly recommend David Lynch's Mullholland Drive (Naomi Watts), for those who enjoy psychodrama with unexpected and cryptic plot twists.
     
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    The ironic thing is that some of the "best" movies ever are ones without any dialogue at all.

    Examples: Nosferatu, The Man Who Laughs, Phantom of the Opera, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Metropolis, Modern Times, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Hands of Orlac, and many other great films.

    And Birth of a Nation despite being a horribly horribly racist film broke new ground. The technical advancements that the film brought were brilliant, however the film itself will always be overshadowed by it's plot to say the least.
     
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    I say the movie makers have become both lazy and herd animals, in search of the next great moment of shock value.

    Can't speak fo movie goers...I haven't been one since the mid-80s.
     
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    I think much of the creativie writing that came out of classic Hollywood was a result of having to work within the confines of the motion picture code. Writers were forced to get their point across in clever ways.

    There is also this idea of "realism," or of being "true-to-life," which some whom I've dicussed this with claim is served by bad language.

    Several years ago I saw Mad Dog and Glory in an edited version, with no rough language, and it struck me as a fun, entertaining and well-told story. I saw it again soon after in the theatrical edit, with the bad language, and it had a completely different mood and tone about it, and less appealing.

    Then again, I really liked Reservoir Dogs, and laughed till I was in pain at The 40 Year Old Virgin, so I don't say there is no place for cussing, but cussing for the sake of cussing, or being real, is nothing for a filmmaker or screenwriter to aim for.
     
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    Reservoir Dogs is one of the definitions of awesome. :cool:
     
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    I bet someone from each generation could write this post and you've have millions of people from the same generation agreeing with it.

    "Kids these days..."

    "They just don't know what suffering is..."

    "People these days have things too good..."

    "No one used to be this rude..."

    yada, yada, yada
     
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    You're right.

    But I'm not talking about films within my generation. Porn has been protected from being prosecuted in movies since 1970's. I'm comparing movies made back in 1930's-1960's with those made in 2000's, not with those made in my generation.

    I bet you don't watch many B&W movies?
     

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