Morality and Religion

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    Many religious people claim that religion is our moral compass and that without religion society can not be moral.

    Of course I strongly disagree with that argument , in my opinion religious society is definitely not a prerequisite for a moral one.

    I would like to share with everyone a video i stumbled upon which addresses this very issue in a very thorough way :

    WARNING: Video contains logical and reasonable thinking.

    Morality 1: Good without gods - YouTube

     
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    I would never claim that it is impossible for morality to exist without a religious basis. That being said, most moral rules ultimately can be traced back to some religious foundation. That doesn't mean one has to accept the religious imperative to observe those moral rules.
     
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    Yes, that is true.

    And in their case they might very well be right, too.

    They might ONLY be acting decently out of fear for retribution from GOD.

    You ought to avoid those people whenever possible because they are unknowingly telling you that they are sociopathic personalities who are only in check because they are morons.
     
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    Or is it the other way around? The religious foundation can be traced back to a moral rule?
     
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    No, if you look at it historically, you will see that religious beliefs mostly formed the basis for moral rules, not the other way round.
     
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    "Morality and Religion"

    You can have one without the other. Either one.
     
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    I disagree with both those ideas. Morality is a set of rules appropriate for public interaction given a particular set of material realities. Religion accommodates itself to this not only in moral precept, but also in its ideas of God. But it doesn't emerge from morality. It incorporates morality as a side thought.

    EDIT: Part of that may need some explanation. Here's what I mean. In a pre-civilized, hunter-gatherer concept, most societies had no anthropomorphic Gods as later developed; they had a concept of nature and themselves as part of nature, and ideas of spirits and personified animal ideals taking part in religious legend. In the age of agrarian civilization, ideas of God as humanity perfected and writ large emerged, a power separate from and in control of nature, and in many cases one that created nature and man; the idea of man as dominant over nature replaced the idea o man as part of and subordinate to nature. Today, as we transition towards a more advanced version of civilization and are increasingly departing from the agrarian-civ norms, our religious ideas are again changing, as well as our morality. I believe we'll end up with an idea of God as indwelling spirit of nature, with all human concepts of God understood to be metaphors, and to a concept of man as the caretaker of nature rather than dominant over it.
     
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    I prefer real facts to wannabe New Age babble about man and nature.
     
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    Me too. The problem is that you haven't provided any, merely your opinions.
     
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    If that's how you would characterize what I wrote, you clearly wouldn't know a "real fact" if it bit you on the ass.

    Especially since you also believe, with no evidence provided whatsoever to back up your opinion, that religion gave rise to morality. The statements I made ARE real facts. I may or may not draw correct conclusions from them, but you are drawing your own conclusions from nothing but air.
     
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