A problem that very few Christian Fundamentalists ever consider

Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by Joey, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. Joey
    Offline

    Joey Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    Messages:
    1
    Thanks Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Ratings:
    +0
    I never understood why Christians who insist on how real the threat of hell is almost never seem to take it seriously.

    If one REALLY believes in eternal damnation for not being a Christian, why would they not do everything in their power to be holy? I would think that the vast majority of them would live a life of almost total poverty because they'd give all of their money to charities. They'd live like a monk. Even if, say, there were only 10 million "true" christians in the United States, I can't see why all of them are not giving up all of their worldly wealth at the very least. Maybe they could buy a safe enough place to live, decent clothes and food and such. But little if any real luxuries should be allowed.

    We would have no truly homeless or extremely poor people in the U.S. if we had that many true Christians.

    Further, you'd have to do more than just give up everything you own. You'd have to be very dedicated to preaching and studying the Bible. So of those 10 million Christians, tons of them should be leaving the U.S. and going to the most dangerous, anti-Christian nations in the world and preaching the gospel.

    The ones who stayed behind would be still be living like monks, studying every detail of the Bible to make sure they got it right. Who knows how much you might have gotten wrong, and therefore damned your eternal soul?

    In fact, since so many people need organ donation, shouldn't all christians jump at the chance to donate their organs, even if they can't live without them? "greater love hath, no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends". Even plenty of other christians could use a donated organ. Don't do it, and theres a much greater chance of going to hell.

    Shouldn't they have special monastaries or something to raise children in? If you really think associating with the world will get them sent to hell forever because they could so easily be deceived into an unchristian lifestyle, why would you even think of raising them in normal society? Ignoring them in such a way seems sinful enough to get you sent to hell.

    I just don't understand it. If you really do believe in the threat of hell and trying to avoid it, why not do everything you can? Obviously, very few Christians do.

    Which would probably mean that they're going to hell.
     
  2. amrchaos
    Offline

    amrchaos Pentheus torn apart

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    9,501
    Thanks Received:
    926
    Trophy Points:
    215
    Location:
    Miami
    Ratings:
    +2,573
    The definition of what it means to be Christian vary among those that consider themselves Christian.

    For instance, I tend to think that a person is Christian if they believe in the words of Jesus as dictated by the Disciples and their cohorts in the New Testament. Notice I do not add in the concept that Jesus is god, the belief of a trinity nor even the act of following his commands or "behave like Christ" in this definition. This allows the belief of an individual to dictate whether or not he is a christian and not the accusations of some that believes the action of a person is Christlike or not.

    My definition of a Christian is very General. I find that such definition is necessary to encompass all those that claim to believe in some version of Christianity.
     
  3. Truthmatters
    Offline

    Truthmatters BANNED

    Joined:
    May 10, 2007
    Messages:
    80,182
    Thanks Received:
    2,223
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +2,233
    so its up for interpitation?

    Does that mean god works on all interpitations too?
     
  4. Caroljo
    Offline

    Caroljo Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    6,596
    Thanks Received:
    1,175
    Trophy Points:
    200
    Location:
    Michigan
    Ratings:
    +1,337
    You don't understand because you probably don't want to. Have you ever read the Bible? Probably not....so you have no idea how to interpret what God tells us, and your REALLY out in left field with this one!
     
  5. Cammmpbell
    Offline

    Cammmpbell Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2011
    Messages:
    5,095
    Thanks Received:
    517
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +517
    I've read it repeatedly....all my life. 'Course I'm just 77.


    Luke 16

    “There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And IN HELL he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENTS, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and COOL MY TONGUE; for I AM TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art TORMENTED. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of TORMENT. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, IF THEY HEAR NOT MOSES AND THE PROPHETS, NEITHER WILL THEY BE PERSUADED, THOUGH ONE ROSE FROM THE DEAD.”

    Six or eight months ago I was driving past a shopping mall in a nearby city. A new Cadillac Escalade merged in from my right. The first thing I noticed was the Christian fish on the right side of the rear and as he completed the merge and then I saw a boldly scribed message on the other side ot the rear:

    "THIS FAMILY IS BLESSED"

    Are you kidding me..........God in all his wisdom selected that one American family to be in the upper 5% of the richest, most powerful nation in the world to drive a new luxurious automobile while nearly a billion(With a B), in the world...mostly children are starving or suffering from malnutrition. The word Christian means "Christ Like." I've found no place in the new testament where it described Jesus as being wealthy....quite the contrary. He was portrayed as a common man, a carpenter, who believed the rich should take care of the poor first.
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2012
  6. Douger
    Offline

    Douger BANNED

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2009
    Messages:
    12,323
    Thanks Received:
    915
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Not fucking there !
    Ratings:
    +915
    The reason they don't is because deep in their brains they know it's all bullshit.Humans have a certain intelligence, however seldom used.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  7. TheGreatGatsby
    Offline

    TheGreatGatsby Gold Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2012
    Messages:
    20,401
    Thanks Received:
    2,365
    Trophy Points:
    280
    Location:
    California
    Ratings:
    +6,553
    OP: Well if you want to get the root of the predominant Christian fundamentalism then you should understand that they believe they are saved by grace, not works. So pretty much your whole premise is bunk.
     
  8. code1211
    Offline

    code1211 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    5,999
    Thanks Received:
    845
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +845


    That depends on your interpretation.
     
  9. Ariux
    Offline

    Ariux BANNED

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2012
    Messages:
    2,727
    Thanks Received:
    184
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +184
    Hypocrisy is the human condition. I've never known a Jew who takes Hebrew scripture seriously. I've never known a Liberal who wasn't racist. But, I have known some Christians who do take the New Testament seriously.

    Right, most Christians don't take the Hell they claim to believe seriously. They don't believe what they say and they're unchristian in their thinking. They're not real Christians.

    On the other hand, Church-going Christians do generally live better lives than non-Christians (e.g. Christians donate far more money). There is little threat of Hell for a Christian because Christianity is about being saved from judgement from God.
     
  10. barry1960
    Offline

    barry1960 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2009
    Messages:
    556
    Thanks Received:
    78
    Trophy Points:
    78
    Ratings:
    +85
    As a Christian, this is thought provoking. Christians still are human and as such will never conform completely to the life and example of Jesus. I am also not sure if it is necessary to live in a monastary or giving all possessions away, but there should be a radical difference in the way Christians live their lives that extends far beyond the don'ts (don't smoke, don't drink, don't have sex, don't do drugs, don't abort, etc.)

    What are Christians doing to bring about God's kingdom either in heaven or here on earth? Are Christians sacrificially showing God's love? Chistianity in the US seems to have evolved into more of a preservation of one's way of life then actually bringing about God's kingdom. If one protests in front of an abortion clinic one thinks they have done God's will. God forbid the person actually helps an unwed teenage mother or agrees to pay one cent more in taxes to help them. We feel we have performed our duty as a Christian if we are good parents. Cannot an atheist be a good parent?

    In the USA Christianity has been reduced to say a prayer, go to heaven, and live you life as you please. Oh yea, and follow a few don't. The emphasis is on what God can add to your life, rather than transform it.
     

Share This Page