Modern Day Civil War.

[Lonestar_logic]

All this talk of Civil War rather than using the process our Framers gave us. Apparently people who glory on death and destruction.

When did the framers give us "deem and pass"? Have you read Article 1 Section 7 of the constitution?

I don't know...you might want to ask all the Congress' who have used it in the past. And all the court decisions in the past that have allowed it.

You talked about using a process the "framers" gave us. I asked a simple question about the deem and pass process and you, like a typical left wing retard answered " I don't know". Name one instance where deem and passed was used to pass a bill.

 

[saveliberty]

You can call them traitors all you want but, they are better Americans than any of the treasonous socialist scum that has been and is in office now. You can rant and rave how evil they are, but when the Federal Government is broke due to of out of control government spending with entitlement programs and since the government will no longer have the authority to collect federal revenue in those states, you will see just how little power and authority they will posses. There won't be money to pay the jack-booted thugs or those black ops that give you wet dreams at night. Those same scumbags that you praise so highly will be forced to let go of non-essential employees in an attempt for congress and executive members to hold on to their precious benefits that they voted for themselves. It will force the Federal Government back to the size it needs to be, small, unobtrusive, and of little threat to the people, like it was intended.

Actually, that will be a great day for the Federal government...because those states get more in Federal aid than the Federal government collects from them. So...the Federal government will come out ahead. This is a wonderful opportunity to save some money....and to give the citizens of Red states to love their Republican leaders even more.

Please, please let this happen.

Doesn't matter....Secessionist America hating scum deserve no mercy. Bring down the might of the US Military upon them....then deny them HEALTHCARE

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, that will be a great day for the Federal government...because those states get more in Federal aid than the Federal government collects from them. So...the Federal government will come out ahead. This is a wonderful opportunity to save some money....and to give the citizens of Red states to love their Republican leaders even more.

Please, please let this happen.

Doesn't matter....Secessionist America hating scum deserve no mercy. Bring down the might of the US Military upon them....then deny them HEALTHCARE

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

Secessionist scum traitors are no longer covered by the Constitution. They will be hunted down like all other traitors to this great nation

 

[Nonelitist]

Doesn't matter....Secessionist America hating scum deserve no mercy. Bring down the might of the US Military upon them....then deny them HEALTHCARE

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

Secessionist scum traitors are no longer covered by the Constitution. They will be hunted down like all other traitors to this great nation

Like most of us would have thought, you have more anger toward some of your fellow Americans than you do for terrorists.

 

[saveliberty]

Doesn't matter....Secessionist America hating scum deserve no mercy. Bring down the might of the US Military upon them....then deny them HEALTHCARE

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

Secessionist scum traitors are no longer covered by the Constitution. They will be hunted down like all other traitors to this great nation

Must have missed that new amendment. We are here and we are many.

 

[rightwinger]

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

Secessionist scum traitors are no longer covered by the Constitution. They will be hunted down like all other traitors to this great nation

Must have missed that new amendment. We are here and we are many.

No, you are not.

Secession is an act of traitors. By seceding, you are renouncing the Constitution and are no longer US Citizens.

If you want to continue to be covered by the Constitution, you need to work within its framework to meet your objectives and win a majority vote

 

[saveliberty]

Secessionist scum traitors are no longer covered by the Constitution. They will be hunted down like all other traitors to this great nation

Must have missed that new amendment. We are here and we are many.

No, you are not.

Secession is an act of traitors. By seceding, you are renouncing the Constitution and are no longer US Citizens.

If you want to continue to be covered by the Constitution, you need to work within its framework to meet your objectives and win a majority vote

I am working within the Constitution. It is Obama and Congress that seem to have forgotten. It is okay, we'll remind him.

 

[rightwinger]

Must have missed that new amendment. We are here and we are many.

No, you are not.

Secession is an act of traitors. By seceding, you are renouncing the Constitution and are no longer US Citizens.

If you want to continue to be covered by the Constitution, you need to work within its framework to meet your objectives and win a majority vote

I am working within the Constitution. It is Obama and Congress that seem to have forgotten. It is okay, we'll remind him.

If Obama and the Congress are not working within the Constitution, then the document contains checks and balances to ensure that all legislation complies. That is why we have courts. Nowhere in the Constitution does it allow Secession as a means to adress your objections.

If you choose that method you are traitorous scum and deserve no protections

 

[Charles Stucker]

Hey dumb ass, it is we liberals who are supporting you lazy conservatives. The Red states are net recievers of federal funds, the blue state, net senders.

Once more with the third type of lie
From Twain - "There are three types of lies; lies, damn lies, and statistics."
Some of the things indicated by your red/blue statistics
1) More idle wealthy folks live in liberal areas and they pay heavy taxes. Not surprising since idleness breeds mental sloth and Liberalism appeal to the mentally lazy.
2) Most of the military folks come from conservative areas. Again not a surprise since liberals value their lives too highly to value their nation much (except as a source of dole).
3) Liberal retirees move down south where it is warmer and their Socialist security checks travel with them.
4) more actual manufacture goes on in conservative states and it is cheaper so the Fed purchases from them more than the overpriced garbage produced by lazy liberals.
5) The Mexican border is mostly in conservative states and the cost of patrolling that border is far higher than the portions of the Canadian border which lie adjacent to liberal states, as no Canadian in thier right mind would want to move in with US liberals..
6) Conservative states have lower population density so the federal payments toward maintaining the Interstate system, based on miles of road, are higher per capita than in Liberal states where they breed like maggots in rotting meat.

I could go on, but the conclusion to be drawn is clear; the liberal states should all secede and good riddance.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Bring it on ladies...

Love to have another chance to beat on those seceding sons-a-bitches

You are still a complete coward RW.

 

[Shogun]

cock stucker sure is in full excuse mode today! Time to dust off that johnny reb outfit he's been keeping in the closet!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Doesn't matter....Secessionist America hating scum deserve no mercy. Bring down the might of the US Military upon them....then deny them HEALTHCARE

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

Secessionist scum traitors are no longer covered by the Constitution. They will be hunted down like all other traitors to this great nation

A little-known fact of the Constitution is that two of the largest states -- Virginia, and New York along with Rhode Island-- made the right to withdraw from the union explicit in their acceptance of the Constitution. And in such an agreement between parties as is represented by the Constitution, a right claimed by one is allowed to all.

Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of the union of the states being permanent. This was not an oversight by any means. Indeed, when New York, Rhode Island, and Virginia ratified the Constitution, they specifically stated that they reserved the right to resume the governmental powers granted to the United States. Their claim to the right of secession was understood and agreed to by the other ratifiers, including George Washington, who presided over the Constitutional Convention and was also a delegate from Virginia. In his book Life of Webster Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge writes, "It is safe to say that there was not a man in the country, from Washington and Hamilton to Clinton and Mason, who did not regard the new system as an experiment from which each and every State had a right to peaceably withdraw." A textbook used at West Point before the Civil War, A View of the Constitution, written by Judge William Rawle, states, "The secession of a State depends on the will of the people of such a State."

 

[Shogun]

Must have missed that new amendment. We are here and we are many.

No, you are not.

Secession is an act of traitors. By seceding, you are renouncing the Constitution and are no longer US Citizens.

If you want to continue to be covered by the Constitution, you need to work within its framework to meet your objectives and win a majority vote

I am working within the Constitution. It is Obama and Congress that seem to have forgotten. It is okay, we'll remind him.

I hope you try. seriously.

 

[saveliberty]

Sometimes I get the impression that people think America became through some universal drive to throw the British out. Tories were plentiful during the Revolution.

The Civil War had a fair share of sympathizers on both sides. What is clear is that great divides were present in these cases and a nation divided cannot stand without a unifying force. That force may be one of war or a great unifier, sometimes both.

 

[bodecea]

Actually, that will be a great day for the Federal government...because those states get more in Federal aid than the Federal government collects from them. So...the Federal government will come out ahead. This is a wonderful opportunity to save some money....and to give the citizens of Red states to love their Republican leaders even more.

Please, please let this happen.

Doesn't matter....Secessionist America hating scum deserve no mercy. Bring down the might of the US Military upon them....then deny them HEALTHCARE

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

I fully support your attempt at seceding. It might even be amusing.

 

[Shogun]

Sometimes I get the impression that people think America became through some universal drive to throw the British out. Tories were plentiful during the Revolution.

The Civil War had a fair share of sympathizers on both sides. What is clear is that great divides were present in these cases and a nation divided cannot stand without a unifying force. That force may be one of war or a great unifier, sometimes both.

I guess it's time to whip out the iron for a new patch on your weekend warrior gear, eh dude?

go get your domestic terrorism on!

 

[Toro]

I just want to know when it is about to start so I can war profiteer...

 

[saveliberty]

I'm not interested in violence as a solution. I think the health care reform has started a movement to simply help the government fall under its own weight. More of a resistance movement.

Want to have a go at Cap and Trade? Go for it. Immigration reform? What is taking you so long? The faster you can totally screw up the better.

 

[rightwinger]

Bring it on ladies...

Love to have another chance to beat on those seceding sons-a-bitches

You are still a complete coward RW.

I am a loyal god loving American who detests traitorous scum who would turn against their own country.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Bring it on ladies...

Love to have another chance to beat on those seceding sons-a-bitches

You are still a complete coward RW.

I am a loyal god loving American who detests traitorous scum who would turn against their own country.

You're an idiot, but I think you already know that. Fact is dumbass, secession is not unconstitutional nor unAmerican as I've already stated in another post. But you liberal idots seem to be allergic to facts.