Modern Day Civil War.

[Care4all]

What war was based on a lie?

And please provide proof of said lie.

The President of the United States said there were WMD's. He is he one responsible for us going to war based on that lie.

HE IS RESPONSIBLE, ACCOUNTABLE AND WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS KILLING ALL THOSE PEOPLE BASED ON A LIE. Period.

Oh and another fact you seem to ignore is the President cannont launch a war against anyone without Congressional approval. But I assume you're too fucking retarded to understand that.

Has any one told you that you looked like Sean Hannity? Except Hannity doesn't dress up in the nazi regalia that you seem to wear so proudly.

the congress gave up their power to declare war and GAVE IT ALL to george bush in the iraqi resolution....no one from congress determined to go to war, they did not even declare war, as per our constitution with 2/3's vote in the house and senate, they gave up this duty and power, and as said, gave it ALL to gwb....to be the decision maker on it.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

My claim is seccession is not unconstitutional and even you should know that one cannot prove a negative.

By the way, you "sigh" like a little girl.

Some people claimed that about 150 years ago. Tried to back it up with guns. And they got the shit kicked out of them. Be silly to do a repeat of that.

The Mexican army is a little larger than it was 150 years ago duffis. You honestly think the entire country of mexico cant beat Texas if they seceded now? Are you serious?

Please Texas, secede! That would be great. America, if you hate it, leave. Good luck and see ya.

It wouldn't matter how large Mexico's army is, because Texans have proven that even when outnumbered, 187 Texans against 900 Mexicans solidiers, Texans kicked ass!

 

[DiamondDave]

The President of the United States said there were WMD's. He is he one responsible for us going to war based on that lie.

HE IS RESPONSIBLE, ACCOUNTABLE AND WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS KILLING ALL THOSE PEOPLE BASED ON A LIE. Period.

Oh and another fact you seem to ignore is the President cannont launch a war against anyone without Congressional approval. But I assume you're too fucking retarded to understand that.

Has any one told you that you looked like Sean Hannity? Except Hannity doesn't dress up in the nazi regalia that you seem to wear so proudly.

the congress gave up their power to declare war and GAVE IT ALL to george bush in the iraqi resolution....no one from congress determined to go to war, they did not even declare war, as per our constitution with 2/3's vote in the house and senate, they gave up this duty and power, and as said, gave it ALL to gwb....to be the decision maker on it.

We have not declared war since WWII.... so don't go with your bullshit Bush Derangement Syndrome.... your little hero JFK was about as much into your conspiracy tale as GWB, considering Vietnam

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The President of the United States said there were WMD's. He is he one responsible for us going to war based on that lie.

HE IS RESPONSIBLE, ACCOUNTABLE AND WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS KILLING ALL THOSE PEOPLE BASED ON A LIE. Period.

Oh and another fact you seem to ignore is the President cannont launch a war against anyone without Congressional approval. But I assume you're too fucking retarded to understand that.

Has any one told you that you looked like Sean Hannity? Except Hannity doesn't dress up in the nazi regalia that you seem to wear so proudly.

the congress gave up their power to declare war and GAVE IT ALL to george bush in the iraqi resolution....no one from congress determined to go to war, they did not even declare war, as per our constitution with 2/3's vote in the house and senate, they gave up this duty and power, and as said, gave it ALL to gwb....to be the decision maker on it.

Fact is no war was ever declared against Iraq. But I was speaking in generalities when I stated that the President alone could not declare war and you seem to be in agreement with that statement. Another fact is the United States has engaged in extended military combat that were authorized by Congress, but short of a formal declaration of war i.e. The First and Second Barbary Wars, Intervention in the Russian Civil War, Vietnam War, Gulf War and Iraq War.

 

[Charles Stucker]

America, if you hate it, leave. Good luck and see ya.

I don't hate America; I despise socialism, a failed concept still embraced by too many fools.
If the socialist Democratic party turns the USA into another socialist quagmire then I will want my state to leave. Because the USA will no longer be the nation which our founders brought into being and only by saving a place where traditional values of hard work and integrity are respected will there be any hope that America can ever be revived.

 

[Zona]

What war was based on a lie?

And please provide proof of said lie.

The President of the United States said there were WMD's. He is he one responsible for us going to war based on that lie.

HE IS RESPONSIBLE, ACCOUNTABLE AND WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS KILLING ALL THOSE PEOPLE BASED ON A LIE. Period.

Oh and another fact you seem to ignore is the President cannont launch a war against anyone without Congressional approval. But I assume you're too fucking retarded to understand that.

Has any one told you that you looked like Sean Hannity? Except Hannity doesn't dress up in the nazi regalia that you seem to wear so proudly.

WHO WAS PRESIDENT WHEN WE WENT TO WAR WITH IRAQ FOR WMD'S. I guarentee you, you and your party would blame Obama if he started that damn war. You do know you guys say the Aphgan war is "his" now. Sound familiar?

I was in the service during this time, and I can tell you for a fact we all thought we were fighting Iraq because we thought they had something to do with 9/11 as well.

THAT IS THE PRESIDENTS RESPONSIBLITY. PERIOD.

Oh and fuck Hannity.

 

[Zona]

America, if you hate it, leave. Good luck and see ya.

I don't hate America; I despise socialism, a failed concept still embraced by too many fools.
If the socialist Democratic party turns the USA into another socialist quagmire then I will want my state to leave. Because the USA will no longer be the nation which our founders brought into being and only by saving a place where traditional values of hard work and integrity are respected will there be any hope that America can ever be revived.

THIS IS THE END OF AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT. Same exact thing said when they started social security, Medicare, equal rights, giving the women the vote etc etc


Keep saying it and stay on the side of No. You are going down in history (once again) on the wrong side.

 

[Zona]

Some people claimed that about 150 years ago. Tried to back it up with guns. And they got the shit kicked out of them. Be silly to do a repeat of that.

The Mexican army is a little larger than it was 150 years ago duffis. You honestly think the entire country of mexico cant beat Texas if they seceded now? Are you serious?

Please Texas, secede! That would be great. America, if you hate it, leave. Good luck and see ya.

It wouldn't matter how large Mexico's army is, because Texans have proven that even when outnumbered, 187 Texans against 900 Mexicans solidiers, Texans kicked ass!

Over a hundred years ago! Seriously. Wow.

 

[Douger]

Doesn't matter....Secessionist America hating scum deserve no mercy. Bring down the might of the US Military upon them....then deny them HEALTHCARE

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

Secessionist scum traitors are no longer covered by the Constitution. They will be hunted down like all other traitors to this great nation

Like Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Colin Powell, Ollie North, Geithner, Bernanke and Greenspan ?.............

 

[rikules]

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

Secessionist scum traitors are no longer covered by the Constitution. They will be hunted down like all other traitors to this great nation

Like most of us would have thought, you have more anger toward some of your fellow Americans than you do for terrorists.

Since I have heard cons say that the REAL ENEMIES of America are the liberals at home it is fair to say that they are guilty of the same thing.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Keep saying it and stay on the side of No. You are going down in history (once again) on the wrong side.

Gee a lot of British warned the Empire they were going in the wrong direction in the late 19th century, and what do you know they were right.
The common fool in Britain poo-pooed them, calling them alarmist fools, but the alarmists were right.

The health care bill threatens to drive the US into horrific multi-generational debt. But all the socialist idiots can do is pat themselves on the back and proclaim a job well done. You might have to rethink your moronic stance about socialism being a good thing when the US loses its superpower status because of socialism induced debt.

 

[rikules]

Actually, that will be a great day for the Federal government...because those states get more in Federal aid than the Federal government collects from them. So...the Federal government will come out ahead. This is a wonderful opportunity to save some money....and to give the citizens of Red states to love their Republican leaders even more.

Please, please let this happen.

Doesn't matter....Secessionist America hating scum deserve no mercy. Bring down the might of the US Military upon them....then deny them HEALTHCARE

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

regardless of what they were sworn to uphold we can at least assume the following;

MOST of the military are conservatives
MANY of the military leaders are evangelical christian conservatives
the air force academy is being run by evangelical christians
evangelical christians/conservatives havce a tendency to PROMOTE THEIR OWN into influential positions while removing as many "undesirables" (liberals, moderates, sane and rational people) as they can
MOST policemen are conserevative
ALL militias are conservatives

I can see where a secessionist movement might attract a LOT of the military

or even a coup.

As long as they believe they are RIGHT and their enemies are ....ENEMIES of GOD and America...
they could easily justify the worst behavior

 

[rightwinger]

Doesn't matter....Secessionist America hating scum deserve no mercy. Bring down the might of the US Military upon them....then deny them HEALTHCARE

The US military is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Since the President and Congress are not doing that, wouldn't the military be on the side of the Secessionists?

regardless of what they were sworn to uphold we can at least assume the following;

MOST of the military are conservatives
MANY of the military leaders are evangelical christian conservatives
the air force academy is being run by evangelical christians
evangelical christians/conservatives havce a tendency to PROMOTE THEIR OWN into influential positions while removing as many "undesirables" (liberals, moderates, sane and rational people) as they can
MOST policemen are conserevative
ALL militias are conservatives

I can see where a secessionist movement might attract a LOT of the military

or even a coup.

As long as they believe they are RIGHT and their enemies are ....ENEMIES of GOD and America...
they could easily justify the worst behavior

You left out that our Military are loyal Americans and have sworn to uphold the Constitution. Those who secede are not covered by our Constitution

They will still be secessionist traitors and will not have the Military equipment and logistics support to sustain themselves. They will be relentlessly hunted down like all traitors are and they will die a cowards death

 

[rightwinger]

The Tea Party somehow has this romantic view that they are the moral equivalent to the Patriots of the American Revolution.

However, their tactics, rhetoric and actions place them closer to the Southern racists who protested the Civil Rights legislation. Both thought the Constitution was on their side and both thought they were patriotic, both screamed about States Rights, both screamed about secession, both blamed the Liberals for all their problems.

History will look at both with disdain

 

[JakeStarkey]

A professor of history I know has his students argue whether the Dems and the Pubs today are the equivalents of the Patriots and the Loyalists then. Apparently the young Pubs identify with the Loyalists.

 

[Charles Stucker]

They will be relentlessly hunted down like all traitors are and they will die a cowards death

It must take a super sized serving of gall for a craven like you to talk of cowardice.

 

[Maple]

This isn't a "Modern day civil war." This is a "Nothing."

What it really amounts to is the party that was voted out of power griping that they no longer get to call the shots

And that's it in a nutshell!

Yes, but it won't be for long, only 7 more months until doom's day for the dems. This country will go red from sea to shining sea.

How many people died because they HAD health insurance???????????????

You libs crack me up when you stand up there and say- so- and so died because they had NO health insurance. You seem to think that if you have health insurance and health care that you won't EVER DIE. Sorry, but God isn't listening, and he's not on board with Obamacare. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL

 

[Maple]

The Tea Party somehow has this romantic view that they are the moral equivalent to the Patriots of the American Revolution.

However, their tactics, rhetoric and actions place them closer to the Southern racists who protested the Civil Rights legislation. Both thought the Constitution was on their side and both thought they were patriotic, both screamed about States Rights, both screamed about secession, both blamed the Liberals for all their problems.

History will look at both with disdain

We are patriots, and the only thing that history will disdain is the bankrupting of this country by a bunch of liberal lunatics who actually think we can afford another entitlement program when the ones we have are unfunded and bankrupting the country already.

BTW- Walgreen's and Walmart across the country are not allowing any new medicaid prescriptions, that's been government run for years. The cost of filling scripts is a lose - lose situation for them.

How many people have died because they HAD health insurance and access to medical care???

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Tea Party somehow has this romantic view that they are the moral equivalent to the Patriots of the American Revolution.

However, their tactics, rhetoric and actions place them closer to the Southern racists who protested the Civil Rights legislation. Both thought the Constitution was on their side and both thought they were patriotic, both screamed about States Rights, both screamed about secession, both blamed the Liberals for all their problems.

History will look at both with disdain

We are patriots, and the only thing that history will disdain is the bankrupting of this country by a bunch of liberal lunatics who actually think we can afford another entitlement program when the ones we have are unfunded and bankrupting the country already.

BTW- Walgreen's and Walmart across the country are not allowing any new medicaid prescriptions, that's been government run for years. The cost of filling scripts is a lose - lose situation for them.

How many people have died because they HAD health insurance and access to medical care???

Self answering: far less than those who did not.

 

[Charles Stucker]

The Tea Party somehow has this romantic view that they are the moral equivalent to the Patriots of the American Revolution.

However, their tactics, rhetoric and actions place them closer to the Southern racists who protested the Civil Rights legislation. Both thought the Constitution was on their side and both thought they were patriotic, both screamed about States Rights, both screamed about secession, both blamed the Liberals for all their problems.

History will look at both with disdain

We are patriots, and the only thing that history will disdain is the bankrupting of this country by a bunch of liberal lunatics who actually think we can afford another entitlement program when the ones we have are unfunded and bankrupting the country already.

BTW- Walgreen's and Walmart across the country are not allowing any new medicaid prescriptions, that's been government run for years. The cost of filling scripts is a lose - lose situation for them.

How many people have died because they HAD health insurance and access to medical care???

Self answering: far less than those who did not.

Source?
I can show how you could be wrong
5 million people have health care and receive treatment; all should survive, and would even without any treatment. 5% get treated by quack doctors and die as a result, that is 250,000 dead because they got treatment.
1 million people do not have health care and do not receive treatment. Half of those do not have serious conditions and survive easily. Half have serious conditions and only 60% of them survive. That yields 200,000 dead from lack of health care.

In that situation more died from having bad health care than died from not having health care.

So we really need a link for your source.