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Yes, it's called their pre-agreed compensation package for pre-agreed services rendered . After they earn it, it's no longer taxpayer money - it's theirs! Holy shit, public workers aren't slaves.
Of course they are not slaves. Slavery doesn't exist in the USA. Why would you even mention that word?
Because you sound like everything a public worker has "belongs" to taxpayers even after they've earned it.
Of course they are not slaves. Slavery doesn't exist in the USA. Why would you even mention that word?
Because you sound like everything a public worker has "belongs" to taxpayers even after they've earned it.
They do belong to the taxpayers, we pay them.
Have you ever worked in customer service at a private company?
Usually manager cave in to customers, because customers ultimately pay their salary.
This is not rocket science
Because you sound like everything a public worker has "belongs" to taxpayers even after they've earned it.
They do belong to the taxpayers, we pay them.
Have you ever worked in customer service at a private company?
Usually manager cave in to customers, because customers ultimately pay their salary.
This is not rocket science
So, are you saying taxpayers OWN public workers?
They do belong to the taxpayers, we pay them.
Have you ever worked in customer service at a private company?
Usually manager cave in to customers, because customers ultimately pay their salary.
This is not rocket science
So, are you saying taxpayers OWN public workers?
im saying they should be accountable to us. WE pay them and right now they have very little care about taxpayers and no accoutability at all. I think the GSA scandal showed that
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So yeah we own their asses
Conservatives want to take away the right of working people merely to form an organization and choose representatives to be delegated to negotiate a contract with their employers,
and they dare call us Liberals the ones who want to destroy 'liberty'.
And the employer should be forced to recognize the delegate as authoritative because? And then only be able to negotiate with that delegate rather than the individual why? In that case you assume the employer should have fewer rights than the employed or that the rights of the employed should trump that of the employer.
About damn time someone started calling for it. Ironically, this is the stance that FDR, huge supporter of unions, had too. He wouldn't support them in the first place because he foresaw the conflict of interest they would create and the corruption they would bring.
On the heels of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's history-making recall victory, the governor of nearby Indiana with his own record of curtailing union benefits suggested public-sector unions are past their prime and should be abolished.
"I think, really, government works better without them," Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels told "Fox News Sunday," when asked whether public-worker unions should even exist.
Daniels had cracked down on collective bargaining for state workers as soon as he took office in 2005, six years before Walker and his GOP allies in the state legislature started down the same path -- triggering a backlash that forced him to stand for election this past Tuesday. Walker made history as the first governor to survive the recall test, beating Democrat Tom Barrett.
Daniels said that vote should send a message about the problems with public-sector unions.
"I think the message is that, first of all, voters are seeing the fundamental unfairness of government becoming its own special interest group, sitting on both sides of the table," he said.
After Walker victory, Indiana governor suggests public unions should go | Fox News
Joining a union is a right.
I have to ask, how much poorer will the American working class have to get for a consensus of conservatives will say,
"okay, that's enough, we're happy now...."
you're suffering the usual critical thinking fail, they are only a right now in your mind becasue they now exist. public unions- using our funds? right my booty.
the civil service (which had laws before public sector unions showed up btw) survived fine without them for a century and a half, in less than half a century they have shit themselves and wrecked many municipalities ( Detroit, hello) budgets with ,many many more to come...... game over.
About damn time someone started calling for it. Ironically, this is the stance that FDR, huge supporter of unions, had too. He wouldn't support them in the first place because he foresaw the conflict of interest they would create and the corruption they would bring.
On the heels of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's history-making recall victory, the governor of nearby Indiana with his own record of curtailing union benefits suggested public-sector unions are past their prime and should be abolished.
"I think, really, government works better without them," Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels told "Fox News Sunday," when asked whether public-worker unions should even exist.
Daniels had cracked down on collective bargaining for state workers as soon as he took office in 2005, six years before Walker and his GOP allies in the state legislature started down the same path -- triggering a backlash that forced him to stand for election this past Tuesday. Walker made history as the first governor to survive the recall test, beating Democrat Tom Barrett.
Daniels said that vote should send a message about the problems with public-sector unions.
"I think the message is that, first of all, voters are seeing the fundamental unfairness of government becoming its own special interest group, sitting on both sides of the table," he said.
After Walker victory, Indiana governor suggests public unions should go | Fox News
Mitch Daniels Says Public Unions Should Be Abolished
Mitch The Bitch needs to have an accident...maybe some concrete poisoning.. I hear it's going around..
^^ the essence of an open mind
BTW, he has served my state well. He accomplished what we set out to do in 1976 when we elected Richard Lugar for the first time
He has not served the country well. He is a traitor to democracy. He is one of the whiniest mealy mouthed bitches in government. He has been in a position to help lead this country away from the brink of economic disaster and he turned away from his country every time. Piss on Mitch Daniels and piss on anyone that voted for him.
I hope I'm being clear.
Would I commit violence against your little bitchy Mitchy? If he was standing before me right now I would take a baseball bat and break every bone in his worthless body. Is that also clear? Going to prison for fucking him up would be a fair and patriotic trade. That would be doing more good for the country in less than a minute what he has failed to do in all his time in government.
I sure hope I'm being clear. You people are pretty stupid. I wouldn't want you to misunderstand me.
PS.. Many of the citizens in this nation feel likewise about your smarmy little weasle.
Conservatives want to take away the right of working people merely to form an organization and choose representatives to be delegated to negotiate a contract with their employers,
and they dare call us Liberals the ones who want to destroy 'liberty'.
And the employer should be forced to recognize the delegate as authoritative because? And then only be able to negotiate with that delegate rather than the individual why? In that case you assume the employer should have fewer rights than the employed or that the rights of the employed should trump that of the employer.
The employer has the right to say no to union contractual 'demands'.
And the employer should be forced to recognize the delegate as authoritative because? And then only be able to negotiate with that delegate rather than the individual why? In that case you assume the employer should have fewer rights than the employed or that the rights of the employed should trump that of the employer.
The employer has the right to say no to union contractual 'demands'.
This is the exact problem with public sector unions. Why would a guy that the union put in office even consider telling them "no"?? The unions have been buying government for years.
Go ahead and have your public sector unions but don't expect the government agency to deduct those union dues, the contributions should be voluntary and mailed to the union office by the individual. No public sector unions can "strike", teachers unions included. No more bargaining with elected officials, there must be a separate board of local residents that bargains with the union officials, it must pass the board with unanimous agreement. Let's see how long public sector unions last when they don't automatically get their dues from the government.
Joining a union is a right.
I have to ask, how much poorer will the American working class have to get for a consensus of conservatives will say,
"okay, that's enough, we're happy now...."
you're suffering the usual critical thinking fail, they are only a right now in your mind becasue they now exist. public unions- using our funds? right my booty.
the civil service (which had laws before public sector unions showed up btw) survived fine without them for a century and a half, in less than half a century they have shit themselves and wrecked many municipalities ( Detroit, hello) budgets with ,many many more to come...... game over.
The employer has the right to say no to union contractual 'demands'.
This is the exact problem with public sector unions. Why would a guy that the union put in office even consider telling them "no"?? The unions have been buying government for years.
Go ahead and have your public sector unions but don't expect the government agency to deduct those union dues, the contributions should be voluntary and mailed to the union office by the individual. No public sector unions can "strike", teachers unions included. No more bargaining with elected officials, there must be a separate board of local residents that bargains with the union officials, it must pass the board with unanimous agreement. Let's see how long public sector unions last when they don't automatically get their dues from the government.
There are more non-union voters than union voters in every state in the country.
Why do you want more people poorer? How does your life get better if the teachers of your children are poorer, or if the police who protect you are poorer, or if the guys who pick up your trash are poorer?
How? Exactly.
The employer has the right to say no to union contractual 'demands'.
This is the exact problem with public sector unions. Why would a guy that the union put in office even consider telling them "no"?? The unions have been buying government for years.
Go ahead and have your public sector unions but don't expect the government agency to deduct those union dues, the contributions should be voluntary and mailed to the union office by the individual. No public sector unions can "strike", teachers unions included. No more bargaining with elected officials, there must be a separate board of local residents that bargains with the union officials, it must pass the board with unanimous agreement. Let's see how long public sector unions last when they don't automatically get their dues from the government.
There are more non-union voters than union voters in every state in the country.
Why do you want more people poorer? How does your life get better if the teachers of your children are poorer, or if the police who protect you are poorer, or if the guys who pick up your trash are poorer?
How? Exactly.
This is the exact problem with public sector unions. Why would a guy that the union put in office even consider telling them "no"?? The unions have been buying government for years.
Go ahead and have your public sector unions but don't expect the government agency to deduct those union dues, the contributions should be voluntary and mailed to the union office by the individual. No public sector unions can "strike", teachers unions included. No more bargaining with elected officials, there must be a separate board of local residents that bargains with the union officials, it must pass the board with unanimous agreement. Let's see how long public sector unions last when they don't automatically get their dues from the government.
There are more non-union voters than union voters in every state in the country.
Why do you want more people poorer? How does your life get better if the teachers of your children are poorer, or if the police who protect you are poorer, or if the guys who pick up your trash are poorer?
How? Exactly.
so in your view if you don't belong to a union you must be poor? how did you arrive at that?
Someone should explain to Mangy Mitch Daniels that he'd have to amend the Constitution if he wants to start abolishing unions.
Put that in your platform GOP'ers.
Someone should explain to Mangy Mitch Daniels that he'd have to amend the Constitution if he wants to start abolishing unions.
Put that in your platform GOP'ers.
We don't want to abolish all unions. We are only going to abolish "government sector" unions. Sorry, the scam is over.
