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"Thorazine drip out?"
Just out stating the truth. Sorry for that. My daughter makes $34,000 a year teaching 2nd grade. She works in a public school. She is a bastard. I shall tell her that in your name. Dang her. Kill her firstborn right? You said it.
Ohio voters spoke on this subject with their ballot last November. If it worked this way in every state, Republicans would see a different picture.
The unions arenn't hated universally, that is just another R talking point.
"When government/public service becomes the least rewarding and insecure job there is, like working at the 7/11, republicans will finally get the dysfunctional government they think we have now. "
While I wouldnt go that far, the average cop/snowplowdriver/teacher needs to be laid off. New ones need to be hired at about $20,000 a year. Those people are villains. Those dang kindergarten and high school history teachers. They are the reason for the ENTIRE fiscal crisis. Take their money and GIVE it WILLINGLY to the corporate donors. I will write my check to the biggest corporation in my state as they are entitled to take my tax dollars rather than my neighbor who teaches 2nd grade. 2nd grade teachers are the scurge of society. Ask the tea party.
You poor suckers on the right who have let the rich and powerful, the money interests, the corporate interests, convince you that your enemy is the guy who picks up your garbage because his union got him some affordable healthcare and some money when he retires.
Very sad.
Appeal to idiocy
Very sad.
You don't think the rich have their own special interests that conflict with those of the not-rich?
Are you that stupid?
Do you really think your life will be better when teachers, policemen, firefighters, municipal workers, etc., etc., etc., are all poorer?
How will your life get better? Seriously.
Ohio voters spoke on this subject with their ballot last November. If it worked this way in every state, Republicans would see a different picture.
The unions arenn't hated universally, that is just another R talking point.
And the voters of Ohio are free to vote themselves an anal raping. The people in the very left wing bastions of Wisconsin, San Jose, and San Diego, however have apparently run out of lube.
Ohio voters spoke on this subject with their ballot last November. If it worked this way in every state, Republicans would see a different picture.
The unions arenn't hated universally, that is just another R talking point.
Government employees are a good place to observe what the private sector would have if wages had kept pace with inflation and benefit packages were not becoming a distant memory.
Government employees are a good place to observe what the private sector would have if wages had kept pace with inflation and benefit packages were not becoming a distant memory.
Actually, it's not, because if the private sector was mimicking those same practices unemployment would probably around 25% right now instead of 8.3%.
I've never understood why somebody would want a union to negotiate their salary for them.
Suppose I produce $80 per hour of benefit for my employer. Suppose that Bob, Sally and Jim have the exact same job as me, but they can only produce $50 per hour of benefit because they are not nearly as effective and efficient as me. Why should I let the union negotiate a "fair salary" for all of us that equals $45 per hour? I'm worth more than that. The union just devalued me and my abilities. Screw that. I want to negotiate $75 an hour as my salary since I'm producing $80 worth of value. Let Bob, Sally and Jim negotiate their own salary based upon their value and contribution to the employer.
I work for a non-union Fortune 500 company. About a year ago I was promoted. As part of my negotiation for my new position, I demanded an additional week of vacation. Time off is is important to me, somebody else taking the same position might feel that a higher salary was more important to them than time off. With a union, neither of us would have the flexibility to negotiate time off vs salary. A union is a one size fits all kinda program. I don't want some other asshole determining what is "in my best interest".
Dead on. Unions don't recognize the value of the individual.
It's just collectivism...Socialism...and the unions profit handily from it and USE what they get against the interests OF the Individuals in thier midsts.
Ohio voters spoke on this subject with their ballot last November. If it worked this way in every state, Republicans would see a different picture.
The unions arenn't hated universally, that is just another R talking point.
Mostly true, maybe Kasich went a little too far in Ohio. I don't think unions are hated universally, but I do think most people think the public unions are getting too sweet a deal compared to everyone else. Plus, many are waking up tot he fact that they can't afford the lavish pensions and paid for HC benefits, not to mention the higher wages.
Conservatives want to take away the right of working people merely to form an organization and choose representatives to be delegated to negotiate a contract with their employers,
and they dare call us Liberals the ones who want to destroy 'liberty'.
Ohio voters spoke on this subject with their ballot last November. If it worked this way in every state, Republicans would see a different picture.
The unions arenn't hated universally, that is just another R talking point.
Mostly true, maybe Kasich went a little too far in Ohio. I don't think unions are hated universally, but I do think most people think the public unions are getting too sweet a deal compared to everyone else. Plus, many are waking up tot he fact that they can't afford the lavish pensions and paid for HC benefits, not to mention the higher wages.
One reason Obama was hoping we could get healthcare costs down but that was totally obstructed by Republicans. It is still being obstructed by the Republicans and supreme court justices with an agenda.
Conservatives want to take away the right of working people merely to form an organization and choose representatives to be delegated to negotiate a contract with their employers,
and they dare call us Liberals the ones who want to destroy 'liberty'.
And the employer should be forced to recognize the delegate as authoritative because? And then only be able to negotiate with that delegate rather than the individual why? In that case you assume the employer should have fewer rights than the employed or that the rights of the employed should trump that of the employer.
Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin's pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages as pensions when they retire rather than take immediately in cash. The same is true with the health care plan. If this were not so a serious crime would be taking place, the gift of public funds rather than payment for services.
Thus, state workers are not being asked to simply "contribute more" to Wisconsin' s retirement system (or as the argument goes, "pay their fair share" of retirement costs as do employees in Wisconsin' s private sector who still have pensions and health insurance). They are being asked to accept a cut in their salaries so that the state of Wisconsin can use the money to fill the hole left by tax cuts and reduced audits of corporations in Wisconsin.
Conservatives want to take away the right of working people merely to form an organization and choose representatives to be delegated to negotiate a contract with their employers,
and they dare call us Liberals the ones who want to destroy 'liberty'.
And the employer should be forced to recognize the delegate as authoritative because? And then only be able to negotiate with that delegate rather than the individual why? In that case you assume the employer should have fewer rights than the employed or that the rights of the employed should trump that of the employer.
You might as well ask why an employee has the right to negotiate an employment contract or why any employer should continue to honor that contract once they have signed it. Individually an employee in a middle to large company has little power to hold their employer to his word.
First responders need their unions. They need special advocacy due to the risks they face on the job and the split-second nature of the some of the decisions they are forced to make, decisions which members of the public critique from the safety of their armchairs and for which calculating politicians will throw them under the bus.
I think citizens KNOW thier importence and will advocate good pay for them. They DON'T need Union's idiots speaking for them.
You poor suckers on the right who have let the rich and powerful, the money interests, the corporate interests, convince you that your enemy is the guy who picks up your garbage because his union got him some affordable healthcare and some money when he retires.
Very sad.
Appeal to idiocy
Very sad.
You don't think the rich have their own special interests that conflict with those of the not-rich?
Are you that stupid?
Do you really think your life will be better when teachers, policemen, firefighters, municipal workers, etc., etc., etc., are all poorer?
How will your life get better? Seriously.
