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If someone helped kill and torture your kid and sold out your country then said "I'm sorry" are you going to forgive him? The answer is "no", unless you're a complete idiot.gop_jeff said:I thought Jane Fonda apologized for her actions during Vietnam? Does no one forgive any more?
Yeah.... but then it would be hard to tell where the pie ended and the actress started.....NATO AIR said:Hey, she got what was coming to her.
He could have thrown a shit pie at her
SmarterThanYou said:can you just FEEL all the christian love coming from this crowd?
some of you people really need to get a better understanding of god. otherwise, you're just talking out the middle hole of your butt with all the morality and religion stuff.
Yurt said:True, revenge is for God alone.
Maybe God sent this man
gop_jeff said:I thought she publicly apologized about a year ago. I could be wrong, though.
But even if the apology was on the heels of her book, would it be any less valid? If she is truly apologetic, why would someone refuse her forgiveness?
Despite repeated claims, Hanoi Jane Fonda has never apologized for her treasonous collaboration with the Vietnamese Communists. Writing that it was "a betrayal" and "a lapse of judgment" is a confession, not an apology." - Walter Inge in a letter to the editor of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, quoted by Michelle Malkin in Hanoi Jane rides again.
"Fonda's cynical non-apology "apology" keeps making headlines, just as she and her book publicists had hoped. This isn't about making amends. This is about making money." - Michelle Malkin in Hanoi Jane rides again.
"I tuned in to the Barbara Walters special to hear Jane's much publicized apology to Vietnam vets. Most of what Jane said sounded sincere but rehearsed. Tom's name was not mentioned, obviously by pre-arrangement with the interviewer. Jane reaffirmed her patriotism and her good intentions at the time she went to Vietnam." - Fred Gardner
"If she was truly sorry about that trip to Hanoi, Jane should have forgotten about the antiaircraft carrier and apologized for all the other things that happened during her visit, things that were far more malicious than that moment when radical chic turned into radical kitsch." - Peter Collier, The Bane that is Jane: Miss Fonda in her own mind, National Review, July 17, 2000.
"It is often said that Hanoi Jane apologized for her treachery. She didn't. Any true apology goes something along the lines of 'I was wrong, please forgive me.'" - apocryphal, - from Hanoi Jane Apology?
"IN THE LATEST ISSUE of O, Oprah Winfrey's lifestyle magazine for women who love scented candles and non-dairy whipped cream, Jane Fonda sorta-kinda-maybe apologizes again for her actions during the Vietnam War." - Jonah Goldberg, "If Fonda is sorry, let her say so", Jewish World Journal, June 23, 2000.
"Fonda seems to think she has offered an apology, again. Of course, it's difficult to say for sure what she really thinks. Her O interview is so top-heavy with New-Agey treacle and Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood touchy-feeliness it's hard to tell whether she's apologizing, looking for sympathy or offering advice for crystal worshippers." - Jonah Goldberg, "If Fonda is sorry, let her say so", Jewish World Journal, June 23, 2000.
"I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft carrier, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless." - Jane Fonda to Oprah Winfrey, 'O' Magazine.
The New England Apology "At the time, Fonda was filming "Stanley and Iris" on location in a number of blue-collar New England towns. Production on the movie was being severely disrupted by protesting veterans and this was causing a serious problem for the film. Fonda decided that something had to be done, so she went on 20/20." -- "The difficulty still remaining for many vets is the nagging doubts about the apology. Was it a sincere effort to atone for a now recognized hurt, or was it merely a cynical attempt to solve crippling production delays? The timing of the apology allows for the inference of a self-serving motivation. Ms. Fonda had 16 years to consider the results of her actions. On the other hand, perhaps the protests themselves made her more aware of how deeply many veterans resented her actions in 1972." -- "Only Ms. Fonda knows for sure." - from Hanoi Jane Apology?
What makes Fondas regret ring so hollow and self-serving are her revealing words in a 1989 interview, in which she stated categorically: I did not, have not, and will not say that going to North Vietnam was a mistake I have apologized only for some of the things that I did there, but I am proud that I went. [This footnote followed the text]: Even genuine repentance on Fondas part would not have erased what she had done in Hanoi.
Her O interview is so top-heavy with New-Agey treacle and Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood touchy-feeliness it's hard to tell whether she's apologizing, looking for sympathy or offering advice for crystal worshippers."
gop_jeff said:I'm not going to quote all the replies that have been made. But please let me respond:
From the news reports I've read, about 1-2 years ago, Jane Fonda had become a born-again Christian and made a more substantial apology than the 1989 quotes that have been posted. Now maybe she's sincere, and maybe she's not. But I think that, at least from a Christian perspective, if someone is apologizing, we should give that person the benefit of the doubt and accept that apology. As Jesus said, "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' you must forgive him." So I think it's the right thing to do to accept her apologies.
Sir Evil said:It's good of you Jeff to be that kind of person but I know from my own perspective I say let Jesus do the forgiving, and let the people express their feelings towrds Fonda. Who says they can't ask for forgiving afterwards?
Apology or not she has will need more from the average vet I would think.
gop_jeff said:I would expect to receive the consequences of my sins. But God is forgiving, and would not refuse to forgive. As the old saying goes, to err is human, to forgive is divine.
I agree that some of her actions could be construed as treasonous. I'm not defending her actions. I'm just saying that if she is trying to apologize for the past, and people are still dragging her through the mud, that's not right.
so I criticize the hypocritical words of a bunch of christian wannabe's and you get the impression that I'd be thrilled to meet her? The man SPIT in her face and a bunch of you think its wonderful. How would you feel if the vet that spit on her had aids and now she got infected? would that be justice in your eyes? As I said before, some of you self proclaimed christians don't seem to have the first clue what it means to BE christian, much less try to talk about it.Sir Evil said:Surprised in this coming from you as an ex-serviceman, I can't believe that you would be thrilled to meet Fonda giving the chance.
SmarterThanYou said:so I criticize the hypocritical words of a bunch of christian wannabe's and you get the impression that I'd be thrilled to meet her? The man SPIT in her face and a bunch of you think its wonderful. How would you feel if the vet that spit on her had aids and now she got infected? would that be justice in your eyes? As I said before, some of you self proclaimed christians don't seem to have the first clue what it means to BE christian, much less try to talk about it.
SmarterThanYou said:so I criticize the hypocritical words of a bunch of christian wannabe's and you get the impression that I'd be thrilled to meet her? The man SPIT in her face and a bunch of you think its wonderful. How would you feel if the vet that spit on her had aids and now she got infected? would that be justice in your eyes? As I said before, some of you self proclaimed christians don't seem to have the first clue what it means to BE christian, much less try to talk about it.
