Milton Friedman Bitch Slap's Obama's "You didn't build that" nonsense

[TheGreatGatsby]

“The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests",

Only on a personal basis, when it comes to a business you rely on other people to patronize your establishment or service.

WTF? Every system has patrons you fucking twit. Just QFT.

 

[buckeye45_73]

“The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests",

Only on a personal basis, when it comes to a business you rely on other people to patronize your establishment or service.

WTF? Every system has patrons you fucking twit. Just QFT.

They wanna say everything is socialism........I guess he hasnt read Animal Farm.....it's really not that long of a book.

 

[MikeK]

“The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade.

If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by the free-enterprise system.” --Milton Friedman

CARPE DIEM: Milton Friedman Responds to Obama

Every re-distributive economy is an inhumane shithole, every single one of them. It's so fucking bad they have to build walls to keep anybody with a brain from fleeing. But that's the exact system embraced and adored by the "American" Left. They love a system that has a 100% Guaranteed fail rate and while they're living in the #1 economy in the world.

Insanity. Absolute fucking insanity.

Actually Ford and Einstein both got government welfare.

Milton Friedman destroyed Chile and New Zealand, and and partially destroyed many other countries including the UK and the US.

Substantiate your claims....... Oh yeah.

If you need substantiation of what Truthseeker said order a copy of Naomi Klein's award-winning book, The Shock Doctrine. It's available from Amazon, not at all expensive, and you will derive one hell of an education from it -- mainly on the effects of Milton Friedman's influence on a number of nations.

Consider that to be serious, friendly advice.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually Ford and Einstein both got government welfare.

Milton Friedman destroyed Chile and New Zealand, and and partially destroyed many other countries including the UK and the US.

Substantiate your claims....... Oh yeah.

If you need substantiation of what Truthseeker said order a copy of Naomi Klein's award-winning book, The Shock Doctrine. It's available from Amazon, not at all expensive, and you will derive one hell of an education from it -- mainly on the effects of Milton Friedman's influence on a number of nations.

Consider that to be serious, friendly advice.

How can you receive an education by reading total complete bullshit?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Conservatives aren't fascists - progressives are.

At any rate I'm a libertarian - sure I will back conservatives all day because I'm morally conservative, just not ethically - not that conservatives are even attempting to pass fascist laws unlike progressives..

Name one fucking proposed piece of legislation that conservatives have tried to pass?

Progressives are the fascists..... You're the fucking clowns trying to legislate morality in spite of our founding documents.....

There is nothing even remotely moral or ethical about the hate religion of CON$ervoFascism.

I love how Nick can peg progressives to be both communist and fascist at the same time

easy to clear up ,,,,

While they are both CPE and more creatures of the left
Only communists and fascists try to claim they are different
and "special"

Hayek
Fascism defined it the best:

"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization"​

Peter Drucker had a nice one:

"the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia
to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following.
Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion,
and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."​

no need to thank me

 

[Erand7899]

“The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests",

Only on a personal basis, when it comes to a business you rely on other people to patronize your establishment or service.

We rely on drivers to stop at red lights, and pilots to match the number of their take-offs with their safe landings. Yet none of these people are responsible for our success or failure in business or in life.

Customers shop at your store or engage you in business because they are also following their self interests, and are not there for the purpose of helping you make money. Most of us pay for the infrastructure, and most of us use it to some extent. The existance of infrastructure has no bearing on whether you are successful or not. If the roads and bridges did not exist, all would be competing in the same environment, and success or failure would still depend on individual initiative.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Milton Friedman Bitch Slap's Obama's "You didn't build that" nonsense


No doubt Papa Obama is use to be bitch slapped

from being married to Michelle

 

[rightwinger]

I love how Nick can peg progressives to be both communist and fascist at the same time

That's because you're too stupid to understand that there is very little difference between the two.

Politically, there is quite a bit of difference other than they are names that conservatives like to call other people

 

[rightwinger]

There is nothing even remotely moral or ethical about the hate religion of CON$ervoFascism.

I love how Nick can peg progressives to be both communist and fascist at the same time

easy to clear up ,,,,

While they are both CPE and more creatures of the left
Only communists and fascists try to claim they are different
and "special"

Hayek
Fascism defined it the best:

"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization"​

Peter Drucker had a nice one:

"the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia
to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following.
Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion,
and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."​

no need to thank me

While in implementation, they have been executed as dictatorships, politically they are at extremes.

 

[P@triot]

Crusader Frank made one of the best posts ever, and I'm going to reiterate what he said:

Every re-distributive economy is an inhumane shit-hole. Every single one of them. It's so fucking bad they have to build walls to keep anybody with a brain from fleeing. But that's the exact system embraced and adored by the idiot liberal. They love a system that has a 100% fail rate.

 

[P@triot]

I love how Nick can peg progressives to be both communist and fascist at the same time

easy to clear up ,,,,

While they are both CPE and more creatures of the left
Only communists and fascists try to claim they are different
and "special"

Hayek
Fascism defined it the best:

"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization"​

Peter Drucker had a nice one:

"the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia
to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following.
Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion,
and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."​

no need to thank me

While in implementation, they have been executed as dictatorships, politically they are at extremes.

Dictatorship is a political system. While the marxism/socialism you and your side of the aisle embraces is an economic system. It's not the political dictatorship that causes economic collapse, it's the economic marxism/socialism that causes the economic collapse. A free market capitalist system under a dictator would still thrive economically.

It's always amusing how liberals try to place the blame for their failed economic ideology on everything other than their failed policies. In America, 3 years of epic failure under Barack Obama is George W. Bush's fault lol. In the rest of the world, it's a dictators fault.

 

[rightwinger]

Crusader Frank made one of the best posts ever, and I'm going to reiterate what he said:

Every re-distributive economy is an inhumane shit-hole. Every single one of them. It's so fucking bad they have to build walls to keep anybody with a brain from fleeing. But that's the exact system embraced and adored by the idiot liberal. They love a system that has a 100% fail rate.

More absolute logic from the right. If you favor any Government program that means you must favor communism.

Same logic can be used to describe unrestrained Capitalism

Fact is, we need a mixture of both. Allow business to do business and allow government to do things that are best done by government.

 

[regent]

The old conservative saw, that no one helped build nuthin, it was all done by the simple genius and hard work of one man, has been around for some time. Conservatives used it during Great Depression, and FDR countered with a quote from conservative hero, Andrew Carnagie: "Where wealth accrues honorably the people are always silent partners."
The question still lingers though, why do conservatives like the one man did it all, when it comes to wealth?

 

[rdean]

I'm curious. Do Republicans agree with what Mitt Romney says in this video:

Romney to Olympians: 'You Didn't Get Here Solely On Your Own' - YouTube

Seems no one will explain the difference between what Obama said and what Romney says here.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm curious. Do Republicans agree with what Mitt Romney says in this video:

Romney to Olympians: 'You Didn't Get Here Solely On Your Own' - YouTube

Seems no one will explain the difference between what Obama said and what Romney says here.

We dismantled your stupid idea in other threads. We're not answering it here because we find it boring to keep repeating the same thing to you over and over and over and over and over again.

We find your "6%" mantra funny because you're a silly parrot but believe me, trying to educate you is no fun at all

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Crusader Frank made one of the best posts ever, and I'm going to reiterate what he said:

Every re-distributive economy is an inhumane shit-hole. Every single one of them. It's so fucking bad they have to build walls to keep anybody with a brain from fleeing. But that's the exact system embraced and adored by the idiot liberal. They love a system that has a 100% fail rate.

More absolute logic from the right. If you favor any Government program that means you must favor communism.

Same logic can be used to describe unrestrained Capitalism

Fact is, we need a mixture of both. Allow business to do business and allow government to do things that are best done by government.

Can you describe in your own words the economic system that Progressives are progressing toward?

 

[8537]

There are failed nations and impoverished people around the world thanks to Milton's brand of economics. The one US attempt at monetarism led to not one but two consecutive recessions in a four year period.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The historic fact is that in every country his economic theories were implemented, the only beneficiaries were the rich and the multinationals who wanted cheap raw materials and a terrorized cheap labor force. If you only care about how the elite are doing his theories were awesome, if you care about things like tyranny, torture, pollution, loss of democracy, land raping, corruption and exploitation then they were not so good.

That has to be best leftbat stream-o-consciousnesses run-on cliche I've seen in quite awhile.

Again you attempt to refute what I say without offering a counter argument. Lazy.

OK, I'll refute your hunk of poopy. First off, your claim is ripe with hyperbole, nonsense and catch phrase.

The reason why the chicago school failed to deliver good economic policies, like say in the case of Pinochet, is because he's a FUCKING DICTATOR. There is absolutely no way to have good free market enterprise, raise the standards of living or allow competition under such a condition. reading the shock doctrine is great and all, I enjoyed it too. But the fact is if you don't keep doing the work adn you end there, you get what you spew and Naomi Klein thanks you - hyperbole, emotional, nonbinding responses to complex problems in the form of heart string pulls and nonsense.

There is no doubt that the US goverment uses economics as a war tactic in places that actual physical battle to not enhance our interests. But if you think that what the chicago school, being based more on economic thought than political thought, tried to do intentionally was "rape land", "terrorize labor" or any other such idea, you're wrong.

In this particular case, Freidman is accurate as it gets. You are, to be sure, missing the finer points because of an apparent failure to do any work beyond reading Klein's decent book.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

There are failed nations and impoverished people around the world thanks to Milton's brand of economics. The one US attempt at monetarism led to not one but two consecutive recessions in a four year period.

That's because the elasticity of money is a terrible idea and puts forth a moral hazard that will always lead to failure. Along with the idea that government should be in direct control of the supply of money. Central plannign never works. Ever.

 

[rightwinger]

Crusader Frank made one of the best posts ever, and I'm going to reiterate what he said:

Every re-distributive economy is an inhumane shit-hole. Every single one of them. It's so fucking bad they have to build walls to keep anybody with a brain from fleeing. But that's the exact system embraced and adored by the idiot liberal. They love a system that has a 100% fail rate.

More absolute logic from the right. If you favor any Government program that means you must favor communism.

Same logic can be used to describe unrestrained Capitalism

Fact is, we need a mixture of both. Allow business to do business and allow government to do things that are best done by government.

Can you describe in your own words the economic system that Progressives are progressing toward?

Glad to

We need government to act as a referee. Not to ensure that everyone wins but to ensure that there is a level playing field. If the score is lopsided and it is obvious that the rules are favoring one side, we need to relook at the rules and make sure everyone has an equal chance

We need government to do things that we cannot do as individuals or are more efficient if done as part of a society. I do better belonging to this great nation than I would alone.

We need government to look after the poor, the needy, those who have gotten a bad break in life. Great societies do not resort to Darwinism