Military retirees face cuts

[The Gadfly]

Clueless. I am retired after 22 years on active duty and retired from being the General Manager of a home Improvement company. But truth is none of that is any of your business.

And please try to remember that every Sergeant started out as a Private. And any Sergeant who went beyond their first three stripes worked their ass off up until the day they retired. But I'm sure you wouldn't understand any of that.

But it's nice to hear from an asshole once in a while, Please continue.

Actually being a Viet Nam era vet I understand all of that too well. and just how much teat do you expect to suck off the the rest of us?

Vietnam ERA vet.... And you think you know about the easy life of a lifer..... God this is rich..........LOL

Alright, now that the "skaters", the permanent civilian armchair commandos, the democrat shills and public employee union types and of course, the "spitters", have had their say, I think it's time I, as an old grunt, had mine.

First of all, ANY of you who think life in the military is "easy", haven't got a damn clue what the hell you are talking about. If you actually DID serve, I have no idea what kind of billet(s) you were in but it sure wasn't any I served in! You couldn't have been in combat arms- I was, and I worked my tail off when I was enlisted, and when I was an officer I worked even harder. As for "Lifers", yes, I've known some sorry officers, and some sorry NCOs, but I am here to tell you that most of them were and are the most dedicated and motivated professionals I have ever met, in any profession, anywhere; and I might well have become one of them, if I had not returned from my tour in Vietnam a little too much the worse for wear.

I'd have been a pretty useless combat infantry officer, without my NCOs; if any of you doubt that they are the backbone of thee armed forces, I can assure you from personal experience that they are. I have seen them go the extra mile, over and over, to help their troops (sometimes when the troop in question did not deserve it), and even to save an errant junior officer from himself. Like a lot of combat vets, I most likely owe my life to those of them who pushed the hell out of me in training. Those men have my respect; they deserve yours, as well. No "Lifer" who gave twenty or thirty years of his life to the service of this nation, whether in combat or in the training and support of its soldiers, has anything to prove to me.

They deserve better, than to be disrespected and mocked; they also deserve better, than to be used as political tools by partisan hacks in pursuit of a partisan agenda, the way some of you have tried (rather transparently), to do in this thread. They deserve better, than to be sneered at as people who could not be successful at anything else- a lot of them have proven otherwise since retiring, and a lot of them could have made more in civilian life, but chose to remain in the service of this nation. I can say that, having now spent many more years in the civilian world than I did in uniform, (and I am NOT drawing retirement or a disability pension, so my stake in this is only that of my brothers and sisters in arms). America (as in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not some union, or some state or local government) made promises to them, that I fully expect America to keep!

As for the partisan idiot who made the comment about the Iraq war, let me assure you that had I still been able to serve, not only would I have gone, I would have volunteered. I detest war, having fought one, but I believe some wars have to be fought anyway, and I have never believed in asking someone else to do anything I personally would not be willing to do; that CIB on my old uniform is proof I put my carcass where my mouth is! Some of you whining partisans here, should ask yourselves whether you can say the same! Incidentally, I went to war under the command of a president I not only DID NOT vote for, but NEVER WOULD have voted for (LBJ). It did not matter. The oath is to the constitution, not any individual or party.

As for the selfish twits and armchair commandos, and other liberal hacks who love to hate the military and those who serve in it (unless the latter are also members of one of the "victim group" constituencies you pander to), I am entirely too familiar with your sorry species, which I encountered in copious numbers upon returning from Vietnam. I did not like them them, and I do not like you any better now. I know courage, when I see it; I know honor, when I see it, I know dedication, when I see it, and I know patriotism and devotion to country, when I see it. You have none of the foregoing,; therefore, you may go to hell! Do not pass go, do not collect $200, just...go to hell!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The government doesn't own GM.

GM hasn't paid back the debt they owe so yes the government owns GM. But I digress what abouit the unions should the unions kill thier pension plans?

The government still does not OWN GM.

Nobodies PROMISED benefits should be touched, not public or private unions or the military.

Why don't you let chris answer the question after all he's the one that thinks otherwise. And yes the govewrnment was given 51 percent of the shares.

 

[The T]

Why would it be shocking that the Obama administration would be targeting this rather than cutting waste?

Obama administration?

Bush cut taxes for the rich and now there is no money for military pensions.

All those military folks who voted for Bush cut their own throats.

Again, republicans...Here is your choice..

Tax cuts to the rich and cut benifits for the retired mlitary? What say you?

Another Class Warfare warrior. How about the government CUT departments, downsize and leave the military alone?

 

[Harry Dresden]

I didn't say a lifer had an easy life. Just one no more difficult than the average US citizen. What entitles you to a retirement at 40 unless you exhibited a level of valor?

The United States Constitution Article II Section 8 which authorizes Congress to establish the the laws which govern the branches of the United States Armed Forces and the agreement made at the time of enlistment for services rendered.

Those services were rendered under agreed upon terms and on one side the terms were completed (20-years, or more years, of honorable service). I for one am very thankful that the American people are honoring their part of the bargain.




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Ok, Fine! But let it be known by this witness that some deserve much more than they receive and others are just leeches.

you can say that about any job....cant ya....

 

[Seawytch]

Obama administration?

Bush cut taxes for the rich and now there is no money for military pensions.

All those military folks who voted for Bush cut their own throats.

Again, republicans...Here is your choice..

Tax cuts to the rich and cut benifits for the retired mlitary? What say you?

Another Class Warfare warrior. How about the government CUT departments, downsize and leave the military alone?

Why should the military be "left alone"? We are large enough to blow up the world six times over. The military could use a trim here and there. Start with defense contractors...especially the ones electrocuting our soldiers. Start with a line by line audit of the damn Pentagon. Account for every $500 hammer and $200 toilet seat.

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

I pay less than $500 a year for Tricare Prime for my family (well, until DOMA is repealed, not my spouse of course), my two children and myself. That's pretty fucking cheap. We could pay more. I'm used to sacrificing for my country and there are two unpaid-for wars to fucking pay for.

 

[Warrior102]

Again, republicans...Here is your choice..

Tax cuts to the rich and cut benifits for the retired mlitary? What say you?

Another Class Warfare warrior. How about the government CUT departments, downsize and leave the military alone?

Why should the military be "left alone"? We are large enough to blow up the world six times over. The military could use a trim here and there. Start with defense contractors...especially the ones electrocuting our soldiers. Start with a line by line audit of the damn Pentagon. Account for every $500 hammer and $200 toilet seat.

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

I pay less than $500 a year for Tricare Prime for my family (well, until DOMA is repealed, not my spouse of course), my two children and myself. That's pretty fucking cheap. We could pay more. I'm used to sacrificing for my country and there are two unpaid-for wars to fucking pay for.

Who's stopping you, dumb ass.
Whip out your paycheck and stoke a check. If you're too dumb to find the U.S. Treasury's address on Google, let me know, and I'll post it in this thread so you can lead by example, for once. How much you sending?

 

[editec]

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

We see that a lot here mostly because such a huge percentage of posters are in the military or formerly in the military and retired.

What cracks me up about most of these folks is the fact that they've lived in a completely SOCIALIST society (the military) their entire working lives, but they come here and lecture the rest of us about the wonderful virtues of capitalism.

How the hell would they know what its like to live in a capitalist economy?

 

[The T]

Another Class Warfare warrior. How about the government CUT departments, downsize and leave the military alone?

Why should the military be "left alone"? We are large enough to blow up the world six times over. The military could use a trim here and there. Start with defense contractors...especially the ones electrocuting our soldiers. Start with a line by line audit of the damn Pentagon. Account for every $500 hammer and $200 toilet seat.

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

I pay less than $500 a year for Tricare Prime for my family (well, until DOMA is repealed, not my spouse of course), my two children and myself. That's pretty fucking cheap. We could pay more. I'm used to sacrificing for my country and there are two unpaid-for wars to fucking pay for.

Who's stopping you, dumb ass.
Whip out your paycheck and stoke a check. If you're too dumb to find the U.S. Treasury's address on Google, let me know, and I'll post it in this thread so you can lead by example, for once. How much you sending?

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[freedombecki]

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

We see that a lot here mostly because such a huge percentage of posters are in the military or formerly in the military and retired.

What cracks me up about most of these folks is the fact that they've lived in a completely SOCIALIST society (the military) their entire working lives, but they come here and lecture the rest of us about the wonderful virtues of capitalism.

How the hell would they know what its like to live in a capitalist economy?

Our soldiers who defended helpless people against tyrants anywhere on this earth saw some things that none of us will ever have the misery of seeing. My brother saw some pretty awful things over there. He didn't like to talk about it, either.

Please stay on the topic of soldiers. All of us love and honor local and state defenders and protectors, but that's a whole 'nother thread. This thread is about America's military per Constitutional authority and not state's rights.

 

[freedombecki]

Again, republicans...Here is your choice..

Tax cuts to the rich and cut benifits for the retired mlitary? What say you?

Another Class Warfare warrior. How about the government CUT departments, downsize and leave the military alone?

Why should the military be "left alone"? We are large enough to blow up the world six times over. The military could use a trim here and there. Start with defense contractors...especially the ones electrocuting our soldiers. Start with a line by line audit of the damn Pentagon. Account for every $500 hammer and $200 toilet seat.

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

I pay less than $500 a year for Tricare Prime for my family (well, until DOMA is repealed, not my spouse of course), my two children and myself. That's pretty fucking cheap. We could pay more. I'm used to sacrificing for my country and there are two unpaid-for wars to <disrespectful slur omitted> pay for.

You were requested once to stop making this thread your personal whipping boy for state's and local issues. Quit kicking American soldiers to promote and perpetuate your class warfare beliefs.

 

[Seawytch]

Another Class Warfare warrior. How about the government CUT departments, downsize and leave the military alone?

Why should the military be "left alone"? We are large enough to blow up the world six times over. The military could use a trim here and there. Start with defense contractors...especially the ones electrocuting our soldiers. Start with a line by line audit of the damn Pentagon. Account for every $500 hammer and $200 toilet seat.

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

I pay less than $500 a year for Tricare Prime for my family (well, until DOMA is repealed, not my spouse of course), my two children and myself. That's pretty fucking cheap. We could pay more. I'm used to sacrificing for my country and there are two unpaid-for wars to fucking pay for.

Who's stopping you, dumb ass.
Whip out your paycheck and stoke a check. If you're too dumb to find the U.S. Treasury's address on Google, let me know, and I'll post it in this thread so you can lead by example, for once. How much you sending?

Thanks for the grade school response. Isn't there a kid you could push off the swing somewhere?

Hey, better yet...I'll use that for every neocon that thumps his chest for more wars...send YOUR kid first.

 

[Seawytch]

Another Class Warfare warrior. How about the government CUT departments, downsize and leave the military alone?

Why should the military be "left alone"? We are large enough to blow up the world six times over. The military could use a trim here and there. Start with defense contractors...especially the ones electrocuting our soldiers. Start with a line by line audit of the damn Pentagon. Account for every $500 hammer and $200 toilet seat.

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

I pay less than $500 a year for Tricare Prime for my family (well, until DOMA is repealed, not my spouse of course), my two children and myself. That's pretty fucking cheap. We could pay more. I'm used to sacrificing for my country and there are two unpaid-for wars to <disrespectful slur omitted> pay for.

You were requested once to stop making this thread your personal whipping boy for state's and local issues. Quit kicking American soldiers to promote and perpetuate your class warfare beliefs.

I do believe that Chris started this thread. If he has a problem with me pointing out the hypocrisy of those that have no problem cutting the PROMISED benefits of union employees, but throw tantrums like toddlers in a Walmart parking lot if you talk about cutting the benefits or increasing the cost shares for vets and retirees...HE can say so.

 

[freedombecki]

Why should the military be "left alone"? We are large enough to blow up the world six times over. The military could use a trim here and there. Start with defense contractors...especially the ones electrocuting our soldiers. Start with a line by line audit of the damn Pentagon. Account for every $500 hammer and $200 toilet seat.

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

I pay less than $500 a year for Tricare Prime for my family (well, until DOMA is repealed, not my spouse of course), my two children and myself. That's pretty fucking cheap. We could pay more. I'm used to sacrificing for my country and there are two unpaid-for wars to <disrespectful slur omitted> pay for.

You were requested once to stop making this thread your personal whipping boy for state's and local issues. Quit kicking American soldiers to promote and perpetuate your class warfare beliefs.

I do believe that Chris started this thread. If he has a problem with me pointing out the hypocrisy of those that have no problem cutting the PROMISED benefits of union employees, but throw tantrums like toddlers in a Walmart parking lot if you talk about cutting the benefits or increasing the cost shares for vets and retirees...HE can say so.

No he can't. He was banned.

What is it about "Quit kicking American soldiers" do you fail to understand?

 

[Seawytch]

You were requested once to stop making this thread your personal whipping boy for state's and local issues. Quit kicking American soldiers to promote and perpetuate your class warfare beliefs.

I do believe that Chris started this thread. If he has a problem with me pointing out the hypocrisy of those that have no problem cutting the PROMISED benefits of union employees, but throw tantrums like toddlers in a Walmart parking lot if you talk about cutting the benefits or increasing the cost shares for vets and retirees...HE can say so.

No he can't. He was banned.

What is it about "Quit kicking American soldiers" do you fail to understand?

And I doubt he left you in control of his thread.

Pointing out hypocrisy isn't "kicking American Soldiers" (or sailors or Airmen). I'm not much into self flagellation.

 

[editec]

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

We see that a lot here mostly because such a huge percentage of posters are in the military or formerly in the military and retired.

What cracks me up about most of these folks is the fact that they've lived in a completely SOCIALIST society (the military) their entire working lives, but they come here and lecture the rest of us about the wonderful virtues of capitalism.

How the hell would they know what its like to live in a capitalist economy?

Our soldiers who defended helpless people against tyrants anywhere on this earth saw some things that none of us will ever have the misery of seeing. My brother saw some pretty awful things over there. He didn't like to talk about it, either.

Please stay on the topic of soldiers. All of us love and honor local and state defenders and protectors, but that's a whole 'nother thread. This thread is about America's military per Constitutional authority and not state's rights.

No, its not. Its about military pensions

It's not remotely about consitutional authority and states rights.

 

[Firehorse]

As any of my posts would indicate, I am pro military, I have served proudly in the USN on the Saratoga.

This topic troubles me.

The nation that these men of honor faught for is now in the midst of a finacial crisis. It's not a political crisis. Not one made by one party or another, but a REAL financial crisis that can either see the nation that they so love fall into the abyss or crawl it's way out of.

We all have access to the numbers, we all have calculators. Every vet out there can see the writting on the wall. Big, and I mean BIG spending cuts are the horizon. There is no possible way to avoid these cuts.

The military will be a part of these cuts ... Maybe the army can squeek by by cancelling it's next generation personel carrier, maybe the Navy (notice how I capitalized Navy ) can get by by scrapping plans for a few new carriers .... And maybe the cuts will have to be deeper still

I don't want to see vets benifits cut. I damn sure would cut all other pensions first. But the truth is, the cuts are going to have to be BIG.

I know the teachers and unions are going cry like little babies when this reality hits them, it's expected. But the military? Much of this thread makes me sick

Vets have shown the willingness on the feild of battle to do what needs to be done for the good of the nation that they love with only the slightest delay to shore up their resolve to do what must be done.

Do not degrade the service you so proudly display on this thread by degenerating into whiney little brats like the pro teacher and pro union posters are. We are better then that. We serve our country and if the country, in this time on need asked us Vets to give a little more to insure it's continued exsistance as the nation we love. Then we, as vets, will give again

 

[Seawytch]

Promised benefits are promised benefits...there are plenty more cuts to be made before we need to touch anyone's promised benefits. Stop cutting benefits in order to cut taxes on the wealthy would be a good start.

Cut the fucking benefits of the Congress before anyone the benefits of ANYONE else get touched.

It IS hypocritical to attack the benefits of other public servants while screaming that the military is sacrosanct, period.

 

[Warrior102]

Why should the military be "left alone"? We are large enough to blow up the world six times over. The military could use a trim here and there. Start with defense contractors...especially the ones electrocuting our soldiers. Start with a line by line audit of the damn Pentagon. Account for every $500 hammer and $200 toilet seat.

Why is it perfectly okay to go after the promised benefits of Teachers, Firefighters, Police and other public sector employees, but ya'll scream like mountain lions in heat when cutting the benefits to military retirees is mentioned?

I pay less than $500 a year for Tricare Prime for my family (well, until DOMA is repealed, not my spouse of course), my two children and myself. That's pretty fucking cheap. We could pay more. I'm used to sacrificing for my country and there are two unpaid-for wars to fucking pay for.

Who's stopping you, dumb ass.
Whip out your paycheck and stoke a check. If you're too dumb to find the U.S. Treasury's address on Google, let me know, and I'll post it in this thread so you can lead by example, for once. How much you sending?

Thanks for the grade school response. Isn't there a kid you could push off the swing somewhere?

Hey, better yet...I'll use that for every neocon that thumps his chest for more wars...send YOUR kid first.

My kid's a Naval Academy grad - dipshit. He's currently serving aboard ship. 2nd division officer. Very proud of him and he's happy to be serving his country.

Have you stroked your check yet, asswipe?

 

[Firehorse]

Stop your whining, take your binky and your blanket and go take your nap. Reality sometimes hurts.

Get over it

 

[Seawytch]

Who's stopping you, dumb ass.
Whip out your paycheck and stoke a check. If you're too dumb to find the U.S. Treasury's address on Google, let me know, and I'll post it in this thread so you can lead by example, for once. How much you sending?

Thanks for the grade school response. Isn't there a kid you could push off the swing somewhere?

Hey, better yet...I'll use that for every neocon that thumps his chest for more wars...send YOUR kid first.

My kid's a Naval Academy grad - dipshit. He's currently serving aboard ship. 2nd division officer. Very proud of him and he's happy to be serving his country.

Have you stroked your check yet, asswipe?

You should really slow down and read the posts you are responding to...or is your English to Stupid translator broken? I never said a thing about YOUR kid, maroon (unless you ARE owning to being a neocon thumping his chest for more wars).

What check is it I'm supposed to be stroking?

Why is it that most of your posts remind me of this?