Middle East in 2015

[ekrem]

We have the licence for F-16 Block 40, and we built them locally.
We have exported 47 F-16 also to Egypt.
The sale to Egypt, was the first foreign-built (Turkey) F-16 sold to a third-party nation (Egypt) in the history of the F-16 program.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article4.html

Egyptian F-16 built by Turkey flying over Pyramids

Military spending in relation to GDP:
S. Arabia -- 8.2 %
Israel ------- 7%
Turkey------ 2.2%
List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Turkey raises spending to 7%, there is additional 42 Billion $ available to spend on military hardware.
Production cost of F-16 Block 40 is about 60 Million $.
So by raising defense spending to Israel's level, Turkey could produce 700 additional F-16's in Block 40 configuration.

Turkish Airforce is already 3rd biggest in NATO, behind US and Royal Airforce.
Turkish Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, my question was: Who is going to wipe-out Turkey?

 

[Marc39]

So, my question was: Who is going to wipe-out Turkey?

Turkey will wipe out Turkey from self-immolation if they dont change course. Turkey should also stop occupying Cyprus and blockading Armenia.

 

[Trajan]

did they refuse?

Israel`s relevance in this subject is, that Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are small economies and have no competitive industries.

so clearly Israel could bring some know how to the table, no?

 

[ekrem]

so clearly Israel could bring some know how to the table, no?

Turk Telekom is Europe's 5th largest telecommunication company.
It controls 16,800 miles of fiber-optic networks in 16 central and southeastern European countries
http://www.turktelekom.com.tr/tt/po...-Invitel-Will-Make-Istanbul-Center-of-Telecom

I think, they have the know-how to implement fiber-optic lines in the Middle-East for data-integration of the involved countries.

 

[Marc39]

so clearly Israel could bring some know how to the table, no?

Turk Telekom is Europe's 5th largest telecommunication company.
It controls 16,800 miles of fiber-optic networks in 16 central and southeastern European countries
News Detail | Home | Türk Telekom

I think, they have the know-how to implement fiber-optic lines in the Middle-East for data-integration of the involved countries.

LOL, big fucking deal.

Israel invented the Pentium and Centrino microprocessors for Intel that power most computers in the world.

Where wuz allah when Intel needed him?

 

[ekrem]

(...)
Israel invented the Pentium and Centrino microprocessors for Intel that power most computers in the world. (...)

Intel exports 3.4 Billion $ from its Israel production facilities.
Reuters

Intel pays taxes in Israel, Intel pays the workers salary in Israel.
Neither has Israel the intellectual-rights of Intel Chips, nor is the Intel chip production-facility a Joint-Venture between Intel and an Israelian company.

Intel has 12 International production facilities
Intel Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One of that International location is Israel.

Intel is contributing to Israelian economy through paying taxes and paying salaries.
If Intel wants, it can close down its Israel subsidiary tomorrow and relocate it to another country.

 

[High_Gravity]

so clearly Israel could bring some know how to the table, no?

Turk Telekom is Europe's 5th largest telecommunication company.
It controls 16,800 miles of fiber-optic networks in 16 central and southeastern European countries
News Detail | Home | Türk Telekom

I think, they have the know-how to implement fiber-optic lines in the Middle-East for data-integration of the involved countries.

LOL, big fucking deal.

Israel invented the Pentium and Centrino microprocessors for Intel that power most computers in the world.

Where wuz allah when Intel needed him?

Allah invented booze, ciggarretts, strippers, fried chicken and Facebook.

 

[ekrem]

So I don't really get your Intel argument.
The original subject was data-integration between the countries through the Jadi-Link discussed above. A 4,071 miles (2,530 km) fiber-optic network through 4 countries.

The member Trajan indicated a lack of know-how for the project.
I said to him, that Turk Telekom is already operating 16,800 miles of fiber-optic networks in 16 European countries and 181,775 miles of fiber-optic network in Turkey.
Türk Telekom 2009 Annual Report

Then you came with some Intel chips.

 

[ekrem]

UK Trade & Invest
ukti.gov.uk

- One in four of the largest companies in the Middle East and North Africa are Turkish.
- 65 per cent of industrial exports from the Middle East and North Africa originate from Turkey.
- Turkey’s construction/contracting sector is the second largest in the world, after China.
- Turkey is the number one TV manufacturer in Europe. It makes a third of all flat-screen TVs and is the largest DVD player producer in Europe.
- OECD estimates that Turkey will be the fastest-growing economy after China and India by 2017.

 

[ekrem]

UK Trade & Invest
ukti.gov.uk

- One in four of the largest companies in the Middle East and North Africa are Turkish.
- 65 per cent of industrial exports from the Middle East and North Africa originate from Turkey.
- Turkey’s construction/contracting sector is the second largest in the world, after China.
- Turkey is the number one TV manufacturer in Europe. It makes a third of all flat-screen TVs and is the largest DVD player producer in Europe.
- OECD estimates that Turkey will be the fastest-growing economy after China and India by 2017.

Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are all tiny economies.
We will integrate them into our economy and make them low-wage supplying industries for sectors which have become too expensive (wage) to stay in Turkey.

 

[ekrem]

(...)
Once the Turkish Muslim terrorists have been cleansed (...)

Re-Armament of the Wehrmacht.
German re-armament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
--->

UK Trade & Invest
ukti.gov.uk

(...)
- 65 per cent of industrial exports from the Middle East and North Africa originate from Turkey.(...)

 

[ekrem]

Combined Strength of
Israel, Iran, Saudi-Arabia
- 16 submarines
- 12 Frigates
- 7 Corvettes
Israeli Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Islamic Republic of Iran Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Royal Saudi Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Turkey
- 14 submarines
- 19 Frigates
- 7 Corvettes
Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Near-Term additions:
+ 8 Milgem Corvettes (Anti-Submarine)
+ 4 TF-100 Frigates (Multi-Role)
+ 6 TF-2000 Destroyers (Anti-Air-Warfare)
+ 6 U214TN submarines
Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turkish Navy ranks (...) third largest in Europe in terms of the displacement of the total fleet, with 258,948 tons.[3][4][5]

Military spending in relation to GDP:
S. Arabia -- 8 .2 %
Israel ------- 7 .0%
Turkey------ 2 .2%
List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


What happens, when Turkey raises military-spending to Arabia/Israel levels?

 

[Trajan]

so clearly Israel could bring some know how to the table, no?

Turk Telekom is Europe's 5th largest telecommunication company.
It controls 16,800 miles of fiber-optic networks in 16 central and southeastern European countries
News Detail | Home | Türk Telekom

I think, they have the know-how to implement fiber-optic lines in the Middle-East for data-integration of the involved countries.

so? Israel has nothing to bring the table? when you mesh tech. technique and industrial know how everyone wins...

 

[ekrem]

(...)
Turkey
- 14 submarines
- 19 Frigates
- 7 Corvettes
Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Near-Term additions:
+ 8 Milgem Corvettes (Anti-Submarine)
+ 4 TF-100 Frigates (Multi-Role)
+ 6 TF-2000 Destroyers (Anti-Air-Warfare)
+ 6 U214TN submarines
Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turkish Navy ranks (...) third largest in Europe in terms of the displacement of the total fleet, with 258,948 tons.[3][4][5]

(...)

Why is Turkey expanding her Navy?

Janes.com

The change in the TNFC's strategy to include the high seas is defined in the White Paper as:
"[Turkey's] regional geography and the security requirements of the shipping lanes make it necessary in the development of the Turkish naval force to combine an assessment of defensive littoral warfare and open seas operations aimed at the control of the open seas.
With the planned military investments the Turkish naval force will be transformed from a force structure that is required for littoral warfare to a force structure required to have a strong say in the open seas."

Navy (Turkey) - Sentinel Security Assessment - Eastern Mediterranean

As the Merchant-Fleet (economic + trade growth) increases, so has the Navy.
The Navy is expanding because it will show presence on shipping-lanes important to Turkish economic interests.
Eastern-Mediteranean has become too small.

 

[Marc39]

(...)
Turkey
- 14 submarines
- 19 Frigates
- 7 Corvettes
Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Near-Term additions:
+ 8 Milgem Corvettes (Anti-Submarine)
+ 4 TF-100 Frigates (Multi-Role)
+ 6 TF-2000 Destroyers (Anti-Air-Warfare)
+ 6 U214TN submarines
Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turkish Navy ranks (...) third largest in Europe in terms of the displacement of the total fleet, with 258,948 tons.[3][4][5]

(...)

Why is Turkey expanding her Navy?

Janes.com

The change in the TNFC's strategy to include the high seas is defined in the White Paper as:
"[Turkey's] regional geography and the security requirements of the shipping lanes make it necessary in the development of the Turkish naval force to combine an assessment of defensive littoral warfare and open seas operations aimed at the control of the open seas.
With the planned military investments the Turkish naval force will be transformed from a force structure that is required for littoral warfare to a force structure required to have a strong say in the open seas."

Navy (Turkey) - Sentinel Security Assessment - Eastern Mediterranean

As the Merchant-Fleet (economic + trade growth) increases, so has the Navy.
The Navy is expanding because it will show presence on shipping-lanes important to Turkish economic interests.
Eastern-Mediteranean has become too small.

Turkey is irrelevant. Not one invention has originated from Turkey nor from 400 years of the Turkish Ottoman Empire.

 

[Marc39]

65 per cent of industrial exports from the Middle East and North Africa originate from Turkey[/B].(...)

Turkey manufactures nothing with global demand.

Turkey invents nothing.

Turkey has produced zero Nobel Prize winners. Israel has produced 6.

 

[ekrem]

UK's national Royal Institute:
Number of papers published in scientific journals from 57 member OIC and selected countries share of total in time range 2004 - 2008.

33,1 % - Turkey
15,7 % - Iran
7,4 % - Egypt
4,4 % - Pakistan
3,6 % - S.Arabia
1,4 % - Indonesia

PDF
http://royalsociety.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=4294971248

 

[R.C. Christian]

God, you are so completely ignorant it baffles comprehension. That was directed at Marc.

 

[ekrem]

Turkey, which is exceedingly keen to join the EU, has managed to increase its scientific output nearly
eight times faster than the world average—the third fastest rate of growth observed among large countries in the last 30 years.

PDF
http://www.science-metrix.com/30years-Paper.pdf

 

[ekrem]

Turkish trade growth with selected countries