Middle East arms buys top $100 billion

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    Eastern countries are expected to spend more than $100 billion over the next five years, largely because of growing fears about Iran's nuclear program and its perceived ambition to undermine Sunni-led Arab regimes, according to an assessment by a U.S.-based consultancy.

    Most of the procurement will be carried out by Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Iraq and Israel, the New York-based Scott & Sullivan consulting firm said in the report released Sunday.

    The core of this arms-buying spree will undoubtedly be the $20 billion U.S. package of weapons systems over 10 years for the six states of the Gulf Cooperation Council -- Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E., Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and Bahrain.

    Egypt, another key U.S. ally, is to get a $13 billion package. Israel, in exchange for agreeing to Washington providing the Gulf states with state-of-the-art weaponry it had traditionally sought to block, will get an arms package worth an estimated $30 billion over 10 years -- a 25 percent increase over previous levels.

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    Middle East arms buys top $100 billion - UPI.com
     
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    the difference between most of the arab countries and the three major non arab ones in the region is pretty simple:

    Turkey, Israel, and Iran manufacture their own weapons. Now Israel and Turkey obviously purchase from the states, while Iran buys from China and Russia...

    so I can sympathize with the arab leaders who really have tremendous financial resources but no genuine manufacturing base to mass produce weapons... but it's all kind of silly and I highly doubt Iran would ever militarily intervene in the affairs of the Gulf states... I would assume it's more to protect themselves against their own population more than anything else
     
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eKDzKC8JiY]YouTube - George Friedman Interview Turkey[/ame]

    All States in the Middle Eastern are somehow in war-economy mode. Turkey is not.
    And even so:

    Today, the Turkish Navy ranks (...) 3rd largest in Europe in terms of the displacement of the total fleet, with 258,948 tons.[2][3][4]
    Turkish Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Turkish Air Force (...) operates one of the largest combat aircraft fleets of NATO.
    Turkish Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Turkish Land Forces (...) is one of the largest standing armies in the world and the second largest army of NATO.[1][2]
    Turkish Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    All these weapon-purchases by neighbouring countries, is not in concept of taking contest with Turkey but taking contest between themselves. Our concept is force projection through ascending to the ranks of "blue-water" navies.
    Navy (Turkey) - Sentinel Security Assessment - Eastern Mediterranean

    First step is within NATO leaving Italy behind in "blue-water" capabilities. We are just in that process. UK, France, Italy and Turkey do only have the capabilities to force-project on open seas within NATO, whilst US Navy is off course unrivaled, but may be rivaled in future from other power blocks like China.

    TF2000 class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Milgem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    UPDATE 3-Turkey in $4 bln submarines deal with HDW | Reuters

    We are now acquiring technical expertise on Warship-Design through TF-2000 and Milgem. We do also currently develop our own naval cruise missile by Roketsan (name means Rocket Industry).

    When sometime in future there is need to switch in war-economy mode we can utilize the following facts:


    Economy of Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    oh, no doubt... Turkey has a top-10 military power

    it's also doing a great job developing domestically, and it's the only real example of a functioning muslim democracy

    it's a shame, because Iran would've/could've been in a similar position were it not for the fanatic revolution of 79
     
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    It is very likely Iran would have been more advanced then Turkey if the things did not happen with the Mullahs, this i have no problem stating as a Turk. Turkey can live with the Mullahs and without them.
    Like a situation were Iran gets rid of the Mullahs will introduce a golden age in Western and Iranian ties, this golden age will be first being established in Turkey. Meaning total opening of the Iranian market for Turkish Industry. You have to consider that Iran is not member of WTO and all trade and market opening is being made through political choice rather then logic of market dynamics.

    What makes Canada 5th biggest trading nation in the world is the fact, that it is lying next to USA, about 60% of Canadian trade is being made with US market. When the Mullahs fall, a chance we will probably not see in the next 20 years, the Iranian-Turkish boarder will off course not become something similiar to Canada-USA, but something like French-German boarder in economical terms vastly favouring the Turkish side.

    Something which is not thinkable of in current situation like introduceing bilateral projects in defence or science would then also be possible, joining forces in some ambitious projects. But as things stand now this is all Sci-Fi and common projects are limited mainly to the energy sector.

    Turkish TPAO will invest 3,5 Billion $ in Iranian natural gas extraction
    and Iran and Turkey have signed memorandum of understanding to build 3 jointly operated thermal power plants fueled by natural gas totaling 6.000 MW and 10.000 MW of hydropower plants:
    Turkey, Iran agree to build power plants-source | Markets | Reuters
    UPI Energy Watch - UPI.com
     
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    I agree. Iran could've been a great country, as it was nicknamed "the Japan of the middle east." Partly because Iran has the fortune of having vast reserves of oil.

    But then again, that may have been its curse. Look at turkey, it is a nation that produces, that has a domestic economy, a vibrant culture, everything that made European countries great places to live and work.

    But look at all the oil rich countries. Ruled by a small group that stays in power because of oil prices and refuses to modernize or liberate its people. Sure, Saudi Arabia has a great GDP, but unless they learn from the example of Turkey or Israel, they will end up the same way they were 100 years ago.

    Either way, back to the original point. I just don't see a real need to worry about war between the muslim states in the middle east. Iran wouldn't want to give anyone an excuse to attack it, and the Gulf states are simply not militaristic. This buying of weapons is just for show and maybe to line the pockets of weapons manufacturers.
     
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    Turkey is not the kingdom of heaven, here is going on also some deep shit.
    To say it short: West of Turkey good, east of Turkey shit. Slowly and costly this difference within Turkey is being minimized (infrastructure, income levels etc).

    Speaking general: Turkey long time disproportionally sustained an army over its economical capabilities giving it solely significance in political-security matters. Now Turkey turns additionally into economical relevance, with no change in the Psyche that for all these years sustained an army over its economical capabilities.

    Turkey will leave the world crisis in 3rd quartal, predicted growth 0,5%.
    Dünya Gazetesi
    Fitch Ratings predicts for 2010 a 2,5% econimic growth
    Dünya Gazetesi
    Merryl Lynch predicts avarage annual growth of 4,5 % in the next 10 years:
    Dünya Gazetesi

    Our former economic minister was Babacan, very talented man in managing economical policy. He is just 41 years old, a subject-focused technocrat. As an award for his record as economy minister he was appointed as Foreign MInister in 2008, but in light of the world crisis he became again government minister for economy, this time Superminister for all economical things.
    Ali Babacan Becomes Minister in Charge of Coordination of Turkish Economy

    Also he did not really suit as Foreign MInister playing hard-ball in foreign relations.
    A man with such a milk-face you would want your daughter to marry with, not getting in representation of his country the steel balls in your ass.
    [​IMG]

    Now Turkey's Foreign MInister is Prof. Dr. Davutoglu. This is an academic from Turkish Universities, and one of his book shapes Turkish foreign policy of the last years.
    Ahmet Davutoğlu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    In his book he writes such things:

    http://www.jamestown.org/docs/Jamestown-TorbakovTurkeyRussia.pdf



    A New Ottoman Empire? - Forbes.com

    Or as a Israeli blogger said:
    Neo-Ottomanism Is All We Don't Need.
    Answering with Stratfor-CEO Friedman:
    "The natural balance of the Islamic world will gonna reassert itself and that natural balance is in Turkey. Noone in the region makes a move without checking with the Turks."
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmcfxVEwt0I&feature=PlayList&p=E31098D40196F2A0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1]YouTube - George Friedman Predicts Ottoman Rise[/ame]


    Friedman in 25 Minutes about American Dominance, China, Russia, Japan etc.
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBjWmUPYoow]YouTube - George Friedman[/ame]
     
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    US to sell Turkey Patriot missiles in $7.8 billion deal

    US President Barack Obama's administration has notified Congress of a possible $7.8 billion sale of Patriot PAC-3 antimissile batteries and related equipment to Turkey, the only NATO ally bordering Iran.
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    US to sell Turkey Patriot missiles in $7.8 billion deal

    But this deal is not fix yet.
    This is a tender and the other participiant is China's HQ-9 system.
    The Russian's are not in the tender as they wanted a direct purchase without the process of a tender. So at the end it is very unlikely Turkey will buy Chinese HQ-9 system, as Patriot PAC-3 can be interlinked without problems in the infrastructure of Turkish Army (AWACS etc).
    The Greeks had very big problems integrateing the Russian S-300 system into their defence infrastructure.

    The S-300 Russian Defence Missile umbrella we anyway are obtaining but not integrateing into the defence umbrella of the Armed Forces. The three versions of the obtained S-300 are being installed in Konya for the "Anatolian Eagle" airforce exercises.
    Turkey to buy S-300 systems for testing
    It is for testing anti-electronical war.
     
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    In context:
    The producer of Patriot Missile defence is Raytheon.
    Raytheon has gone into partnership with Turkish Roketsan, Roketsan will function as subcontractor for Raytheon to 11 countries in Asia and Europe.
    Currently Raytheon and Roketsan are working together for Unied Arab Emirates Patriot GEM-T missile defence:
    Raytheon Picks Turkish Partner for Patriot Program - Defense News
     
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    Iran is a great country and could be an even better one if the UK/US had not caused the last 5 decades of problems. And yes lies and deciet are good for business aren't they. The disinfo machine going into overdrive on Iran just so its near neighbours can spend even more money on weapons that they don't need.
     

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