Mia Love (R) - Utah

why is she not morman?

Is it not OK to name her religion?

It's not relevant or germane to the conversation. Hence you look like you generally do.

A fool.

Yes ones religion is germane to the conversation.

stop being so mad just because I was right about cali girl

Not "mad" about anything.

Religion is a private matter. So long as it's not involved in policy making..it's not germane. If she's going around saying she was "chosen by god to lead" you'd have a case.

So..either provide something that says she's influenced by her religion in terms of leadership..or remain looking the fool.
 
Mia is unique because she is black in an overwhelmingly white state with a very poor race record prior to 1978. She is LDS, which is a tremendous asset in Utah. A former mayor of a very dysfunctional communtiy, Saratoga Springs, west of Orem Provo, almost all white and lower to upper middle class, seh is certainly marketable. In her own primary, she has to get through Scott Sandstrom, a formidable competitor, as well as an all time righty weirdo, Carl Wimmer ~ this guy is truly crazy. If she survives and wins the GOP primary, she will be up against Dem. Scott Matheson, a well-liked and 4-term moderate Democrat.

She looks like potentially a good candidate.
 
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I know many people who are mormon.

Hell I have a family memeber or two who joined the church.

I would not vote for them either if they ran.

I will not vote for secrets to be kept from me from someone running for office.

If the mormon chruch cant tell us about their religion and have to keep secrets from us then they are hiding something.


as long as they hide their real lives I cant vote for any of them.
 
Ah, Jeez, TruthMatters is hanging with JoeB.

Take your religious bigotry and stuff it, TM.
 
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grunt11b said:
It's not the governments right to take from one person to give to another, it was never the founders intentions.
Sure it is..and was..
The problem here is, people like you believe that because congress has the authority to level taxes you think those taxes should be spent the way the have been for over 60 years, which was never the intent of the original founders, the founders never believed that government should take away from the people to give create programs like medicare,medicaid, social security, obamacare and all that bullshit. They wanted the people to be self sufficient in every way possible and not be beholden to government. The original intent is the exact opposite of what todays liberals believe it to be. The general welfare clause was not intended to provide free cash and assistance to citizens, it was to protect citizens, not supplement them.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
All that..is doing EXACTLY what you think the government "doesn't" have the power to do.
Too bad you dont understand what all that means. The wording of the constitution has been molested throughout the years by progressives and socialists to mean what THEY want it to mean and not what the original intent was. The founders are rolling in their graves right now.
 
Ah, Jeez, TruthMatters has married JoeB.

Take your religious bigotry and stuff it, TM.

They keep secrets.

what other religion keeps secrets?

I will not vote for someone who has a religion they can NOT tell me about.

It is at the core of people and its about their core beliefs.

They refuse to tell me their core beliefs then I dont vote for them.
 
Ah, Jeez, TruthMatters has married JoeB.

Take your religious bigotry and stuff it, TM.

They keep secrets. what other religion keeps secrets? I will not vote for someone who has a religion they can NOT tell me about. It is at the core of people and its about their core beliefs. They refuse to tell me their core beliefs then I dont vote for them.

Quit spamming. Go to lds.org. Then ask avatar4321 about that which you don't understand.
 
grunt11b said:
It's not the governments right to take from one person to give to another, it was never the founders intentions.

The problem here is, people like you believe that because congress has the authority to level taxes you think those taxes should be spent the way the have been for over 60 years, which was never the intent of the original founders, the founders never believed that government should take away from the people to give create programs like medicare,medicaid, social security, obamacare and all that bullshit. They wanted the people to be self sufficient in every way possible and not be beholden to government. The original intent is the exact opposite of what todays liberals believe it to be. The general welfare clause was not intended to provide free cash and assistance to citizens, it was to protect citizens, not supplement them.


All that..is doing EXACTLY what you think the government "doesn't" have the power to do.
Too bad you dont understand what all that means. The wording of the constitution has been molested throughout the years by progressives and socialists to mean what THEY want it to mean and not what the original intent was. The founders are rolling in their graves right now.

To bad you don't.

The very idea of taxation is taking away from someone to give it to someone else.

Like establishing a post office. Or buying a warship.

Not playing semantic games here, chief. That's exactly what's happening.
 
Mia is unique because she is black in an overwhelmingly white state with a very poor race record prior to 1978. She is LDS, which is a tremendous asset in Utah. A former mayor of a very dysfunctional communtiy, Saratoga Springs, west of Orem Provo, almost all white and lower to upper middle class, seh is certainly marketable. In her own primary, she has to get through Scott Sandstrom, a formidable competitor, as well as an all time righty weirdo, Carl Wimmer ~ this guy is truly crazy. If she survives and wins the GOP primary, she will be up against Dem. Scott Matheson, a well-liked and 4-term moderate Democrat.

She looks like potentially a good candidate.

What a reasoned and succinct analysis.
 
The problem here is, people like you believe that because congress has the authority to level taxes you think those taxes should be spent the way the have been for over 60 years, which was never the intent of the original founders, the founders never believed that government should take away from the people to give create programs like medicare,medicaid, social security, obamacare and all that bullshit. They wanted the people to be self sufficient in every way possible and not be beholden to government. The original intent is the exact opposite of what todays liberals believe it to be. The general welfare clause was not intended to provide free cash and assistance to citizens, it was to protect citizens, not supplement them.
Too bad you dont understand what all that means. The wording of the constitution has been molested throughout the years by progressives and socialists to mean what THEY want it to mean and not what the original intent was. The founders are rolling in their graves right now.

To bad you don't.

The very idea of taxation is taking away from someone to give it to someone else.

Like establishing a post office. Or buying a warship.

Not playing semantic games here, chief. That's exactly what's happening.

The idea of taxation is this...


There are some challenges in life that are best faced as an individual (housing, raising a family) while others are best faced as a society ( schools, roads, safety)

For those challenges that need to be faced as a society, individuals are expected to contribute
 
The problem here is, people like you believe that because congress has the authority to level taxes you think those taxes should be spent the way the have been for over 60 years, which was never the intent of the original founders, the founders never believed that government should take away from the people to give create programs like medicare,medicaid, social security, obamacare and all that bullshit. They wanted the people to be self sufficient in every way possible and not be beholden to government. The original intent is the exact opposite of what todays liberals believe it to be. The general welfare clause was not intended to provide free cash and assistance to citizens, it was to protect citizens, not supplement them.
Too bad you dont understand what all that means. The wording of the constitution has been molested throughout the years by progressives and socialists to mean what THEY want it to mean and not what the original intent was. The founders are rolling in their graves right now.

To bad you don't.

The very idea of taxation is taking away from someone to give it to someone else.

Like establishing a post office. Or buying a warship.

Not playing semantic games here, chief. That's exactly what's happening.

Taxation is NOT taking away from someone to give to someone else. It is taking from everyone for the general welfare of the whole. The 'general welfare' could be a post office, it most certain would include 'buying' (although I would prefer 'building') a warship.
 
Ah, Jeez, TruthMatters has married JoeB.

Take your religious bigotry and stuff it, TM.

They keep secrets.

what other religion keeps secrets?

I will not vote for someone who has a religion they can NOT tell me about.

It is at the core of people and its about their core beliefs.

They refuse to tell me their core beliefs then I dont vote for them.

um... all of them.
 
Ah, Jeez, TruthMatters has married JoeB.

Take your religious bigotry and stuff it, TM.

They keep secrets. what other religion keeps secrets? I will not vote for someone who has a religion they can NOT tell me about. It is at the core of people and its about their core beliefs. They refuse to tell me their core beliefs then I dont vote for them.

Quit spamming. Go to lds.org. Then ask avatar4321 about that which you don't understand.

they keep secrets.

Why cant you know why they wear magic underwear?

Why cant non mormon family attend a wedding?

What is it that is SOOOOOO secret that your own mother and father cant hear at your wedding?
 
They keep secrets. what other religion keeps secrets? I will not vote for someone who has a religion they can NOT tell me about. It is at the core of people and its about their core beliefs. They refuse to tell me their core beliefs then I dont vote for them.

Quit spamming. Go to lds.org. Then ask avatar4321 about that which you don't understand.

they keep secrets.

Why cant you know why they wear magic underwear?

Why cant non mormon family attend a wedding?

What is it that is SOOOOOO secret that your own mother and father cant hear at your wedding?

Why do you care?
 
They keep secrets. what other religion keeps secrets? I will not vote for someone who has a religion they can NOT tell me about. It is at the core of people and its about their core beliefs. They refuse to tell me their core beliefs then I dont vote for them.

Quit spamming. Go to lds.org. Then ask avatar4321 about that which you don't understand.

they keep secrets.

Why cant you know why they wear magic underwear?

Why cant non mormon family attend a wedding?

What is it that is SOOOOOO secret that your own mother and father cant hear at your wedding?

Assuming you are correct about 'keeping secrets', why is that a bad thing. We could do with politicians who understand the need to keep their fucking mouths such on issues such as National Security. Maybe we should elect more Mormons.
 
Quit spamming. Go to lds.org. Then ask avatar4321 about that which you don't understand.

they keep secrets.

Why cant you know why they wear magic underwear?

Why cant non mormon family attend a wedding?

What is it that is SOOOOOO secret that your own mother and father cant hear at your wedding?

Why do you care?

I will not vote for a candidate who can not tell me what and why the believe something
 

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