MH17 was shot by Ukrainian army. New evidences by Russian Defense Ministry

[Eugene]

There is also full version of the briefing in Russian


Detailed description of investigation.
1. Serial numbers of the rocket shown by Dutch investigators were tracked from the factory in was produced to the final place of that rocket delivery.
2. Explaining why photos from social networks showing BUK rocket launcher are fake.
3. Audio of the phone conversation where Ukrainian colonel says that they may shot one more Malaysian Boeing.

And there are still no any data from Ukrainian radar. Dispetcher who ordered MH17 to change the root and the height is still not found.
Ukrainian pilot who followed that Boeing who retired and suddenly became an airport director in Nikolaev is now dead.

And still it is Russia to be blamed in that catastrophe...

Remember the first evidence the Russians presented?

Yep, Russia claimed that MH17 was shot down by a fighter jet. Not only that, they claimed that it had been caught by satellite image, which would be pretty "lucky" to get.

Then Russia accepted it was shot down by a SAM, so this is clearly fake, and Russia accepts this is a fake photo.

How about the guys in Salisbury? They went on a two day trip to Salisbury Cathedral, they could afford to buy tickets to one London airport and out another, meaning they didn't get round trip, meaning it'd have cost more, and they booked pretty close to the time, probably being expensive, especially from Russia to London. Having all that money they then stayed in a small hotel room together, and instead of going to the cathedral they traveled all that way to go see, they went to some former Russian secret serviceman's house without, supposedly, knowing it was there.

The Russia govt is so full of crap, it plays on conspiracy theorists hoping they'll do all the hard work.

So many examples of Russia doing the "But, but, it could have been someone else, couldn't it?" without ever denying they did it.

There was ukr jet who observed the action.
And it is very interesting why that pilot, a young officer decided to retire from air force and suddenly became a director of main airport of Nikolaev. More interesting is he was found dead not long ago..

As for Scripals - that case as well as Litvinenko's is absolute fake by Brits.
Those guys were not dangerous for Russia. If they were there are many quiet ways to kill, why using polonium or gas agent which may be tracked and which is dangerous for killer? Insane.

 

[gipper]

Some of us knew the US Government’s blaming Russia within hours of the shoot down, was clearly bogus. Remember John dipshit Kerry immediately blamed Russia and Big Ears followed shortly afterward. Both promised they would provide irrefutable evidence, but never did.

There's evidence it was the Russians. Most of that evidence is examples of the Russians getting caught in their own lies. See my previous post.

I've written a long-ish post before on the inconsistencies and tactics of the Russians in such things.

It all adds up.

Yeah made up evidence by the Deep State.

 

[gipper]

Russia lost the argument when they aggressively prevented international inspectors and investigators from inspecting and investigating the crash and crash site. After removing evidence local civilians and rebels were allowed to pillage and loot the huge crash site while bodies decomposed and were mutilated and devoured by wild animals, further contaminating the site.

This was a sickening and disgusting display or Russian morals and behavior.

That's what you have been told, but it doesn't have anything to do with the truth and reality (like everything in your country).

Camp believes whatever the State tells him. He can’t think for himself. Sadly there are way too many Americans like him.

I have not been to the area lately, but I still have friends and communications with the area, particularly Kremenchuk.

Yeah and they hate Russia just like you.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There is also full version of the briefing in Russian


Detailed description of investigation.
1. Serial numbers of the rocket shown by Dutch investigators were tracked from the factory in was produced to the final place of that rocket delivery.
2. Explaining why photos from social networks showing BUK rocket launcher are fake.
3. Audio of the phone conversation where Ukrainian colonel says that they may shot one more Malaysian Boeing.

And there are still no any data from Ukrainian radar. Dispetcher who ordered MH17 to change the root and the height is still not found.
Ukrainian pilot who followed that Boeing who retired and suddenly became an airport director in Nikolaev is now dead.

And still it is Russia to be blamed in that catastrophe...

Remember the first evidence the Russians presented?

Yep, Russia claimed that MH17 was shot down by a fighter jet. Not only that, they claimed that it had been caught by satellite image, which would be pretty "lucky" to get.

Then Russia accepted it was shot down by a SAM, so this is clearly fake, and Russia accepts this is a fake photo.

How about the guys in Salisbury? They went on a two day trip to Salisbury Cathedral, they could afford to buy tickets to one London airport and out another, meaning they didn't get round trip, meaning it'd have cost more, and they booked pretty close to the time, probably being expensive, especially from Russia to London. Having all that money they then stayed in a small hotel room together, and instead of going to the cathedral they traveled all that way to go see, they went to some former Russian secret serviceman's house without, supposedly, knowing it was there.

The Russia govt is so full of crap, it plays on conspiracy theorists hoping they'll do all the hard work.

So many examples of Russia doing the "But, but, it could have been someone else, couldn't it?" without ever denying they did it.

There was ukr jet who observed the action.
And it is very interesting why that pilot, a young officer decided to retire from air force and suddenly became a director of main airport of Nikolaev. More interesting is he was found dead not long ago..

As for Scripals - that case as well as Litvinenko's is absolute fake by Brits.
Those guys were not dangerous for Russia. If they were there are many quiet ways to kill, why using polonium or gas agent which may be tracked and which is dangerous for killer? Insane.

So, the Russians claimed Voloshyn actually shot down the flight. Right... well now the Russians accept that it was shot down by a SAM, so that was clearly a lie.

That you're coming on here peddling such crap that even the Russians now accept is fake crap is hilarious.

Skripal and Litvinenko were ex-FSB. Putin wants to get back at those who betrayed Russia. They don't need to be a threat. He needs to tell those who might be a threat in the future that they're not safe wherever they go.

Yes, why use polonium and Novichok? Because it sends a message that death will not be pleasant.

Why would the UK expose their own people to such things? You wouldn't. Russia doesn't use novichok or polonium when it assassinates its own journalists. And it's funny that all these people being assassinated are anti-Putin.

Where are those pro-Putin being assassinated? They're not. It's that simple.

There's so many lies out there. You can try and say that in this case "it might have been this", but you add up case after case after case after case and it doesn't add up.

But I have no doubt you're just here to spread propaganda. Well, I doubt you'll get far because there's so much evidence Putin is assassinating people in foreign countries.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Some of us knew the US Government’s blaming Russia within hours of the shoot down, was clearly bogus. Remember John dipshit Kerry immediately blamed Russia and Big Ears followed shortly afterward. Both promised they would provide irrefutable evidence, but never did.

There's evidence it was the Russians. Most of that evidence is examples of the Russians getting caught in their own lies. See my previous post.

I've written a long-ish post before on the inconsistencies and tactics of the Russians in such things.

It all adds up.

Yeah made up evidence by the Deep State.

No.

This is real evidence. Evidence that can be seen in Russian newspapers. This isn't secret evidence, things planted. This is Russian newspapers, controlled by Putin, that are posting things. The evidence of the two guys who went to Salisbury in the UK is so fucking dodgy it's hilarious. That they know they can get away with such shoddy crap it ridiculous. All they need is a few conspiracy theorists.

Look at the last post to that Russian guy.

You've got Russia showing a photo of a fighter jet shooting it down.
You've got Russia saying it was this pilot who did it.
Then you have Russia accepting it was by SAM.

So, the first two lots of "evidence" were clearly faked. There's no doubt about that. Russia was presenting fake evidence in it's own media.

I don't need some "deep state" to make this up, it's there for everyone to see.

The evidence of the two guys who went to Salisbury. Their story is like some comic book. No one in their right mind would do what these two guys did. The Russians then said the photos were fake photos because the background was the same. Clearly isn't.

More misinformation trying to tap into the conspiracy theorists.

 

[Camp]

Russia lost the argument when they aggressively prevented international inspectors and investigators from inspecting and investigating the crash and crash site. After removing evidence local civilians and rebels were allowed to pillage and loot the huge crash site while bodies decomposed and were mutilated and devoured by wild animals, further contaminating the site.

This was a sickening and disgusting display or Russian morals and behavior.

That's what you have been told, but it doesn't have anything to do with the truth and reality (like everything in your country).

Camp believes whatever the State tells him. He can’t think for himself. Sadly there are way too many Americans like him.

I have not been to the area lately, but I still have friends and communications with the area, particularly Kremenchuk.

Yeah and they hate Russia just like you.

I do not hate Russia. I have two of them living in my home. I do not like Mr. Putin. I kind of dislike my brother-in-law who came for a short visit about four years ago and managed to get a long-term green card.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Putin and the clowns he gave the missiles are the ones responsible.

 

[Stratford57]

Putin and the clowns he gave the missiles are the ones responsible.

Provide the evidence or shut up.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Putin and the clowns he gave the missiles are the ones responsible.

Provide the evidence or shut up.

Are you forgetting the celebratory posts on social media by the idiot Russians
who fired the missile?

But moments after the plane crashed near the separatist stronghold village of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, rebel commander Igor Strelkov boasted his forces had shot down a Ukrainian air force Antonov-26.

He tweeted: “We just hit down An-26. We warned you… do not fly in ‘our sky’.

MH17 crash: Hear 'moment Russian rebels realise they've shot down civilian aircraft by mistake'

 

[Eugene]

Putin and the clowns he gave the missiles are the ones responsible.

Provide the evidence or shut up.

Are you forgetting the celebratory posts on social media by the idiot Russians
who fired the missile?

But moments after the plane crashed near the separatist stronghold village of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, rebel commander Igor Strelkov boasted his forces had shot down a Ukrainian air force Antonov-26.

He tweeted: “We just hit down An-26. We warned you… do not fly in ‘our sky’.

MH17 crash: Hear 'moment Russian rebels realise they've shot down civilian aircraft by mistake'

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory over ukr nazist forces until they realized it was a civil plane. And of course they couldn't know who shot it and how.
MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system...the only air defense weapon rebels have. All ukr air vehicles were downed by it at low height.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Putin and the clowns he gave the missiles are the ones responsible.

Provide the evidence or shut up.

Are you forgetting the celebratory posts on social media by the idiot Russians
who fired the missile?

But moments after the plane crashed near the separatist stronghold village of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, rebel commander Igor Strelkov boasted his forces had shot down a Ukrainian air force Antonov-26.

He tweeted: “We just hit down An-26. We warned you… do not fly in ‘our sky’.

MH17 crash: Hear 'moment Russian rebels realise they've shot down civilian aircraft by mistake'

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory over ukr nazist forces until they realized it was a civil plane. And of course they couldn't know who shot it and how.
MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system...the only air defense weapon rebels have. All ukr air vehicles were downed by it at low height.

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory

Yes, the Russians who shot it down fucked up.

MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system..

The equipment Putin gave to the "rebels" was more advanced.

 

[Eugene]

I understand it is useless to argue to zombies.
They simply repeat what is written in their propaganda mass media...all blames and conclusion without a single prove.

In case if MH17 Russian investigators do not get any information and has to find out everything itself.
Ukr jet was there and it was clear from the very beginning, there was possibility it shot down Boeing but using of BUK never denied. So now we got photos of rocket elements - here is the history of it.
So what lies are you talking about?

Lies is the official policy of the TSA (terroristic states of america) and uk. They start wars all over the world and do not allow to stop them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I understand it is useless to argue to zombies.
They simply repeat what is written in their propaganda mass media...all blames and conclusion without a single prove.

In case if MH17 Russian investigators do not get any information and has to find out everything itself.
Ukr jet was there and it was clear from the very beginning, there was possibility it shot down Boeing but using of BUK never denied. So now we got photos of rocket elements - here is the history of it.
So what lies are you talking about?

Lies is the official policy of the TSA (terroristic states of america) and uk. They start wars all over the world and do not allow to stop them.

Keep spreading your propaganda.
I'll keep pointing it out.

 

[Eugene]

Putin and the clowns he gave the missiles are the ones responsible.

Provide the evidence or shut up.

Are you forgetting the celebratory posts on social media by the idiot Russians
who fired the missile?

But moments after the plane crashed near the separatist stronghold village of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, rebel commander Igor Strelkov boasted his forces had shot down a Ukrainian air force Antonov-26.

He tweeted: “We just hit down An-26. We warned you… do not fly in ‘our sky’.

MH17 crash: Hear 'moment Russian rebels realise they've shot down civilian aircraft by mistake'

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory over ukr nazist forces until they realized it was a civil plane. And of course they couldn't know who shot it and how.
MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system...the only air defense weapon rebels have. All ukr air vehicles were downed by it at low height.

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory

Yes, the Russians who shot it down fucked up.

MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system..

The equipment Putin gave to the "rebels" was more advanced.

If you are given that equipment you won't be able even to move it from one place to another!
Buk is a very complicated system.
You need at least 2 vehicles to shot, you need data from other radars, you need a crew of about 4 skilled operators. And the most important you need to get that all from Russia to Ukraine invisibly for satellites and any witnesses. Still not a single prove but fake photos and statements in media.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Putin and the clowns he gave the missiles are the ones responsible.

Provide the evidence or shut up.

Are you forgetting the celebratory posts on social media by the idiot Russians
who fired the missile?

But moments after the plane crashed near the separatist stronghold village of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, rebel commander Igor Strelkov boasted his forces had shot down a Ukrainian air force Antonov-26.

He tweeted: “We just hit down An-26. We warned you… do not fly in ‘our sky’.

MH17 crash: Hear 'moment Russian rebels realise they've shot down civilian aircraft by mistake'

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory over ukr nazist forces until they realized it was a civil plane. And of course they couldn't know who shot it and how.
MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system...the only air defense weapon rebels have. All ukr air vehicles were downed by it at low height.

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory

Yes, the Russians who shot it down fucked up.

MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system..

The equipment Putin gave to the "rebels" was more advanced.

If you are given that equipment you won't be able even to move it from one place to another!
Buk is a very complicated system.
You need at least 2 vehicles to shot, you need data from other radars, you need a crew of about 4 skilled operators. And the most important you need to get that all from Russia to Ukraine invisibly for satellites and any witnesses. Still not a single prove but fake photos and statements in media.

If you are given that equipment you won't be able even to move it from one place to another!

Thanks to an awesome Russian invention, trucks, Russia managed to move weapons like the Buk into and out of Ukraine.

You need at least 2 vehicles to shot, you need data from other radars, you need a crew of about 4 skilled operators.

And it helps if the crew aren't a bunch of drunk morons.

And the most important you need to get that all from Russia to Ukraine invisibly for satellites and any witnesses.

Russian tarp work very good, eh comrade?

 

[Stratford57]

Putin and the clowns he gave the missiles are the ones responsible.

Provide the evidence or shut up.

Are you forgetting the celebratory posts on social media by the idiot Russians
who fired the missile?

But moments after the plane crashed near the separatist stronghold village of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, rebel commander Igor Strelkov boasted his forces had shot down a Ukrainian air force Antonov-26.

He tweeted: “We just hit down An-26. We warned you… do not fly in ‘our sky’.

MH17 crash: Hear 'moment Russian rebels realise they've shot down civilian aircraft by mistake'

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory over ukr nazist forces until they realized it was a civil plane. And of course they couldn't know who shot it and how.
MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system...the only air defense weapon rebels have. All ukr air vehicles were downed by it at low height.

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory

Yes, the Russians who shot it down fucked up.

MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system..

The equipment Putin gave to the "rebels" was more advanced.

If you are given that equipment you won't be able even to move it from one place to another!
Buk is a very complicated system.
You need at least 2 vehicles to shot, you need data from other radars, you need a crew of about 4 skilled operators. And the most important you need to get that all from Russia to Ukraine invisibly for satellites and any witnesses. Still not a single prove but fake photos and statements in media.

Western people simply have not been told about those details which make the case so complicated. Their Media keeps them as ignorant as possible and thus very easy to manipulate. Besides, 85% of those "experts" who are posting here and "know" that it was Russians who shot the Boeing, can't even find Ukraine on the map. Neither they can find other countries on the world map.



^^^ This would be too funny if it were not too sad. A country full of ignorant people with bloody geopolitical interests, it's a very dangerous combination.

 

[skews13]

There is also full version of the briefing in Russian


Detailed description of investigation.
1. Serial numbers of the rocket shown by Dutch investigators were tracked from the factory in was produced to the final place of that rocket delivery.
2. Explaining why photos from social networks showing BUK rocket launcher are fake.
3. Audio of the phone conversation where Ukrainian colonel says that they may shot one more Malaysian Boeing.

And there are still no any data from Ukrainian radar. Dispetcher who ordered MH17 to change the root and the height is still not found.
Ukrainian pilot who followed that Boeing who retired and suddenly became an airport director in Nikolaev is now dead.

And still it is Russia to be blamed in that catastrophe...

Better brush up on your English.

 

[Stratford57]

There is also full version of the briefing in Russian


Detailed description of investigation.
1. Serial numbers of the rocket shown by Dutch investigators were tracked from the factory in was produced to the final place of that rocket delivery.
2. Explaining why photos from social networks showing BUK rocket launcher are fake.
3. Audio of the phone conversation where Ukrainian colonel says that they may shot one more Malaysian Boeing.

And there are still no any data from Ukrainian radar. Dispetcher who ordered MH17 to change the root and the height is still not found.
Ukrainian pilot who followed that Boeing who retired and suddenly became an airport director in Nikolaev is now dead.

And still it is Russia to be blamed in that catastrophe...

Better brush up on your English.

With your "brushed up" English, please, stay on the subject of the thread or you'll be reported.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Provide the evidence or shut up.

Are you forgetting the celebratory posts on social media by the idiot Russians
who fired the missile?

But moments after the plane crashed near the separatist stronghold village of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, rebel commander Igor Strelkov boasted his forces had shot down a Ukrainian air force Antonov-26.

He tweeted: “We just hit down An-26. We warned you… do not fly in ‘our sky’.

MH17 crash: Hear 'moment Russian rebels realise they've shot down civilian aircraft by mistake'

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory over ukr nazist forces until they realized it was a civil plane. And of course they couldn't know who shot it and how.
MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system...the only air defense weapon rebels have. All ukr air vehicles were downed by it at low height.

People on the ground who saw just downed plane celebrated victory

Yes, the Russians who shot it down fucked up.

MH17 was shot on a very high height unreachable by man-portable air defense system..

The equipment Putin gave to the "rebels" was more advanced.

If you are given that equipment you won't be able even to move it from one place to another!
Buk is a very complicated system.
You need at least 2 vehicles to shot, you need data from other radars, you need a crew of about 4 skilled operators. And the most important you need to get that all from Russia to Ukraine invisibly for satellites and any witnesses. Still not a single prove but fake photos and statements in media.

Western people simply have not been told about those details which make the case so complicated. Their Media keeps them as ignorant as possible and thus very easy to manipulate. Besides, 85% of those "experts" who are posting here and "know" that it was Russians who shot the Boeing, can't even find Ukraine on the map. Neither they can find other countries on the world map.



^^^ This would be too funny if it were not too sad. A country full of ignorant people with bloody geopolitical interests, it's a very dangerous combination.

A country full of ignorant people with bloody geopolitical interests, it's a very dangerous combination.

Still better than a country full of drunken losers with a case of geopolitical tiny dick syndrome.

 

[busybee01]

There is also full version of the briefing in Russian


Detailed description of investigation.
1. Serial numbers of the rocket shown by Dutch investigators were tracked from the factory in was produced to the final place of that rocket delivery.
2. Explaining why photos from social networks showing BUK rocket launcher are fake.
3. Audio of the phone conversation where Ukrainian colonel says that they may shot one more Malaysian Boeing.

And there are still no any data from Ukrainian radar. Dispetcher who ordered MH17 to change the root and the height is still not found.
Ukrainian pilot who followed that Boeing who retired and suddenly became an airport director in Nikolaev is now dead.

And still it is Russia to be blamed in that catastrophe...

You are a treasonous traitor. You need to be locked up in Guantanamo. The Russians are liars through and through.