Mexico says National Guard isn't way to solve immigration problem

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    This article say a lot about what people think of our LAWS..

    MARINA MONTEMAYOR
    Associated Press
    CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico - Looking for someone to help him cross into the United States, Jorge Gutierrez said Monday it will take a lot more than U.S. National Guard troops to keep him and other migrants out.
    Most Mexicans believe the plan, to be announced Monday night by President Bush, will do little to stop the flow north. President Vicente Fox called Bush this weekend to say he didn't believe sending soldiers to the border was the answer.

    The countries have rarely seen eye-to-eye since Bush and Fox agreed to work toward immigration reform five years ago at a meeting at Fox's ranch in Mexico. Fox wants the Bush administration to give amnesty to millions of migrants living in the U.S. and allow more to seek jobs legally from outside the country.

    Bush rejected the idea of an amnesty and instead proposed allowing people with job offers to enter the United States and work legally for three years. The topic has generated fierce debate in Congress, where members are divided between those who want to see more security at the border and those who want immigration reform.

    Bush is expected to propose sending National Guard troops to the border as a stopgap measure while the Border Patrol builds up its resources to more effectively secure the 2,000-mile line between the U.S. and Mexico.

    The move is aimed at winning support for immigration reform from conservatives who are more interested in tightening security along the border.

    Gutierrez, who had just arrived in Juarez from Torreon to look for a way to cross illegally into the United States, said he didn't believe the troops would make a difference.

    "No guard, no wall will keep us from crossing," he said.

    Jesus Rodriguez, 49, agreed. He was looking for ways to cross one of Juarez's international bridges. "For Mexicans, there are no obstacles," he said.

    Francisco Loureiro, who runs a migrant shelter in Nogales, across the border from Nogales, Ariz., criticized the plan as an "aggressive action more than anything because the migrant is not a criminal or a terrorist."

    "His only objective is to work ... and a government that supposedly lobbies for world peace is now acting against defenseless migrants who are helping to fill a need for employers in the U.S," he said.

    Presidential spokesman Ruben Aguilar told reporters Monday that while Fox "expressed his concern" over the proposal to Bush, he had no choice but to respect it.

    "It is a sovereign decision," he said. "We can't interfere."

    Mexico has had a tough time convincing the U.S. that it is doing everything it can to prevent and provide alternatives to illegal migration, especially when it is dependent on the remittances migrants send home.

    In 2005, migrants sent about $20 billion to Mexico, where remittances represent the second-largest source of foreign income, after oil sales.

    The government may have been able to prevent the growing backlash against migrants in the United States if it had showed it was improving opportunities for Mexicans at home, said Rodolfo Garcia, an economist at the University of Zacatecas.

    Consequently, instead of sharply protesting Bush's National Guard plan, Fox's administration is more likely to justify it, Garcia said, hoping that it will help Bush soften attitudes toward guest-worker and legalization proposals.

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    Associated Press reporter Lisa J. Adams contributed to this report from Mexico City.
    http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/14585465.htm
     
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    I'd like to hear what Jorge' has to say once he's looking at the business end of an M-16. It's time to take care of the problem and securing the border is merely Step #1.
     
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    ^^^^^LOL^^^^^^^^

    So there's no obstacles for a Mexican? How about his own worthless government? He's the one acting like a civil war refugee. His country has more natural resources than the US, so why is Mexico a Third World country?

    Why should the president of Mexico want this exodus to stop? It only benefits his country. At least his government acknowledges the US's soverignity, I repect the respect.
     
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    I wonder if Mexico would accept a big canal full of alligators as a solution ?
     
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    Well thank the little gods that they told us! We were just about to send some down there! We should send them an Embassador or something... Maybe one from the Mexican Consulate right here in Colorado!
     
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    If he was any sort of real leader he would realize that the exodus doesnt benefit his country. If you get rid of labor rather than use it to build your own economy you are a stupid leader.
     
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    The Mexicans have NEVER figureed out how to utilize labor to its potential. They just exploit it. The result is not much of a middle class in Mexico.

    I don't blame Mexicans for wanting to come here. I blame our government and the misguided people of THIS Nation for still following the antiquated notion that "America is the land of opportunity."

    Once it was. IMO, it is no longer. Everybody's bleeding heart wants to let illegal immigrants remain here while ignoring our own poor and underprivileged. When we can provide opportunity to every single LEGAL US citizen, THEN I am willing to entertain the notion of providing it to those from without.
     
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    Well, that's the problem with Vincente Fox, he campaigned tough on reform and backed of 95% of it ASAP as soon as he was elected.

    Bush is beginning to remind me of him, the tendency toward inaction. This is not the 1980's, Bush has a supposedly friendly Congress and his solution is no different from that of Ted Kennedy's. Until now.

    Speech was a step, but that's all. The National Guard depolyment is a delayed reaction, Bush was forced to, that is a positive sign only.

    I want the illegals deported and go home and vote for Calderon, more PAN is better for Mexico and everyone than if that socialist wins, he will align with Chavez and Lula da Salva.

    Only the potential Lopez Orbrador voters should be fed to the alligators, IMO.

    The goal is to Americanize the planet, and Mexico's close. Mexicanizing the US, not gonna happen, Jose, and tamales don't count.
     
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    You are correct. The US is no longer "the land of opportunity"; it is now "the land of the free handout". Opportunity implies that if you work hard, keep your nose clean and stay the course you will succeed. That is not what the US is about these days. We reward mediocrity and praise underachievement...I should say we legislate to encourage underachievement.

    Putting the National Guard on the border will accomplish exactly nothing. Giving them the responsibility without any authority is what tells me that. Anyone who thinks that having Guardsmen repair vehicles and fix walls and fences (most of which are not on the border) is going to help stem the flow of illegals into this country is out of their ever lovin tree. If you want the Guard to stop illegal immigration, put them on the border in good fighting positions with clear fields of fire...and plenty of ammo. Let the Mexican president complain to the UN ... who cares?
     
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    Well, I see that even here, political correctness has won over. The wetbacks are no longer called what they are, now it's the nicey, nicey, warm and fuzzy, watered down, group hug, liberal, PC "illegal IMMIGRANTS".

    What the fuck happened to calling them what they are?

    ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!
     
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