Mexican Swine Flu Could Be The Expected 9/11-like “Event”

Hi Zoom:

When I heard about this my first reaction was 'this outbreak coincided with Obama's trip to Mexico'. Terral may have a point on this.

Let’s take a big step backwards and review all of the related evidence to help everyone draw well-informed conclusions.

1. The U.S. Military has already prepared Mass Graves For US Citizens (my thread).

2. Congress has already had their secret meeting (March 2008) in preparation for “Martial Law” (my thread).

3. US-Japanese Study Finds Genes For 1918 “Spanish Flu” Pandemic (story).

4. This Swine Flu Was "Cultured In A Laboratory" (story).

5. This unique virus represents a combination of bird/swine/human flu strains. Check out this story:

Health.AsiaOne.com

Swine flu 'more worrying' than bird flu: Australian expert

SYDNEY, April 27, 2009 (AFP) - The swine flu outbreak is more worrying than bird flu because it is spread much more readily between humans, an Australian infectious diseases expert said Monday.

Australian National University epidemiology specialist professor Paul Kelly said swine flu had a lower mortality rate than bird flu but warned this was a mixed blessing because it would help the virus spread more quickly.

He said bird flu had remained relatively contained because human-to-human transmission was difficult, while swine flu was highly infectious.

"(Bird flu) has been limited - to a limited extent that has happened in Indonesia and other places, but it's never been on the sort of scale as this," Kelly told ABC radio.

"This is actually really more worrying."

He said swine flu appeared to be a form of the virus that epidemiologists had feared for years - a combination of strains from various animals that was easily transmitted between humans.

"In terms of an epidemic, for the virus to be able to spread it's actually better for the virus for humans to remain alive because that can spread it more quickly and to a greater extent geographically," he said.

Professor John Mackenzie, a biosecurity expert from Perth's Curtin University, said the latest flu threat appeared to be a combination of at least two types of swine virus and an avian virus gene.

He said the next few days would be crucial in determining whether the world was facing a pandemic (continued).
‘The next few days’ represent a place ‘beyond’ the “Point Of No Return” where the biological weapon/virus has already bypassed the threshold of containment! This means ‘carriers’ with no symptoms are already spreading the virus to people who will begin having flu-like symptoms to continue spreading the bio-weapon to broader areas of the general population. We are looking at a combination of conspiracy theories that can very well come to pass by the introduction of this manufactured Flu Pandemic that can potentially fill all of the plastic coffins . . .

. . . sitting in fields all over the USA . . .

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wV3vc9kDEM"]. . . For MILLIONS Of Dead Americans![/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt_eQO5wyOk"]Alex Jones Has Been Warning About This![/ame]

I am willing to bet that these thousands and thousands and thousands of FEMA Coffins (by the MILLIONS) are made ready in the very same locations where the 'chemtrail' spraying of human beings also has been going on.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEMSXNcW9gI[/ame]

GL,

Terral
 
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Consider how many people would have to be in on a plan to murder millions of American, Terral.

Now consider that a flu isn't something that one can easily target one's intended victims with, either. So the people involved would just have to accept that their own friends and families are as likely to die and anyone else.

Do you really think hundreds, possibly thousands of co-conspirators could pull off something that audacious and that it wouldn't leak?

Frankly, Terrral, I think you're falling off the deep end, here.
 
What a crafty, well thought out scheme to kill millions of Americans.

Too bad the plan will be foiled by a simple invention that costs less than 50 cents.

mediawebserver.dyn
 
Hi Editec:

I always like to see a post from Editec on my Topics, because you are indeed a thinker.

Consider how many people would have to be in on a plan to murder millions of American, Terral.

The fact that you would try to sow doubt into the minds of these readers by using a “Consider how . . .” statement says Editec has failed to educate himself about the Illuminati and the New World Order.

Start Here

My Uncle Jack handed me a copy of “None Dare Call It Conspiracy” by former-Congressman Gary Allen in the early 1970’s (link), so I was given a healthy head start. I am immune to NWO smokescreen trickery and can see what is really going on by simply opening up the newspaper, which makes me a tinfoil hat-wearing idiot. Right? :0)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo"]The New World Order Is Already Here![/ame]

I have a red and blue pill, Neo, so what is it going to be? Most of you are too afraid to see me break your little security bubble . . .

Now consider that a flu isn't something that one can easily target one's intended victims with, either.

Editec still thinks that we are looking at a mere flu bug? Wake the hell up already!

Global Research.ca

Medical Director: Swine Flu Was “Cultured In A Laboratory”

by Paul Joseph Watson

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Editor’s note: On Friday, NPR reported that the deadly swine flu “combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans in a way researchers have not seen before,” thus leading us to suspect it was cooked up in a lab.

Swine flu panic is spreading in Mexico and soldiers are patrolling the streets after it was confirmed that human to human transmission is occurring and that the virus is a brand new strain which is seemingly affecting young, healthy people the worst. Questions about the source of the outbreak are also being asked after a public health official said that the virus was “cultured in a laboratory”.

“This strain of swine influenza that’s been cultured in a laboratoryis something that’s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world, so this is actually a new strain of influenza that’s been identified,” said Dr. John Carlo, Dallas Co. Medical Director (video clip here).
Somebody explain how the Govt is passing out vaccines for ‘a new strain’ of swine/avian/human flu that nobody has ever seen . . . GL . . .

So the people involved would just have to accept that their own friends and families are as likely to die and anyone else.

No. The NWO people already have the ‘real’ vaccine for themselves, their families and their NWO buddies . . .

Do you really think hundreds, possibly thousands of co-conspirators could pull off something that audacious and that it wouldn't leak?

Absolutely! They pulled off the 9/11 Inside-job Attacks and are back for Round 2.

Frankly, Terrral, I think you're falling off the deep end, here.

Some will be . . .

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzN55Bpp13E&NR=1"]Surviving The New World Order . . .[/ame]

. . . and some simply will not.

GL,

Terral
 
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Hi Xotoxi:


What a crafty, well thought out scheme to kill millions of Americans.

Too bad the plan will be foiled by a simple invention that costs less than 50 cents.

Just keep on believing that nonsense. This contagion is brand new and everybody is already an expert. Where is your data on whether this ‘virus’ is transmitted by direct or indirect contact (microbiology.mtsinai.on.ca)? Diseases transmitted by ‘droplet contact’ can be transferred from person to person through the air by coming in contact with the mucous lining of your eye, which your pretty little mask does not cover. The most likely way this virus will enter your body is by self-contamination, when you pick up the strain on your hand and touch the mucus membrane inside your own nose, mouth or eye; like with the common cold (link).

Try to remember that this contagion was ‘manufactured’ in a laboratory with specific strengths and weaknesses, but these microorganisms ‘mutate’ like with the Avian Flu Virus (link) and AIDS Virus (link). While a limited number of diseases are transmitted through the air, the Influenza Virus (link) tops the list.

The next important fact to understand about this class of extremely small virus bugs is that the organism itself is predisposed to allowing vast portions of the population become ‘carriers’ with very few or no symptoms at all – in the beginning. Nobody should be surprised that a manufactured strain of this flu bug is making a large percentage of the victims mildly sick, while the mortality rate remains a very low percentage – again – in the beginning of the contagion transmission process. If you go back and revisit the Opening Post, then you might see that new links have been added; which includes a chart highlighting the ‘three pandemic waves’ associated with the influenza/pneumonia mortality numbers in the UK (pic).

Open up the diagram and prepare yourself for a potential SHOCK, because these little virus bugs have a survival agenda embedded into their DNA sequencing that includes allowing their intended victims to do very well – again – in the beginning 'and' in stages through which the virus is mutating throughout the population. You see the first wave of people dying (like now), but those numbers moderate to then drop to near zero for right around a three-month period. The virus lures everyone into a false sense of security, so the powers-that-be will become relaxed and everything seems to be under control; which the virus is counting on from the very beginning. The middle spike in mortality rates comes between four and six months as a ‘second wave’ that kills more people in the shortest time than the four months leading up to this period ‘and’ those following; until the population gradually builds up a resistance and the numbers return to zero.

The data says that this bio-weapon virus will kill many people in the first month, but then the epidemic will have every appearance of being under control. Then, about the middle of summer, the mortality numbers will escalate out of control and FEMA will begin filling their plastic coffins like there is no tomorrow. The numbers will decrease again, until about October or November, then those of us still alive will see the third and final spike that will kill another large portion of the population. However, again, remember that these New World Order cronies manufactured this bio-terror weapon, so the mortality pattern will likely be a just a little bit different from what appears in nature. Remember also that Scripture teaches “Unless those days be cut short, NO LIFE would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” Matt. 24:22.

While Christ is prophesying about things taking place nearly 1000 years from today (Ending the 1000 Year Day of the Lord = pic = far right in blue), these things do have application in our time (in red here = find "Today") for those among us with eyes from God to see.

Those among you thinking that facemasks can save you from this biological weapon are only deluding yourselves . . .

GL,

Terral
 
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Consider how many people would have to be in on a plan to murder millions of American, Terral.

Now consider that a flu isn't something that one can easily target one's intended victims with, either. So the people involved would just have to accept that their own friends and families are as likely to die and anyone else.

Do you really think hundreds, possibly thousands of co-conspirators could pull off something that audacious and that it wouldn't leak?

Frankly, Terrral, I think you're falling off the deep end, here.

imagine terral trying to tell you this on a street corner in new york in 1956
what would you have said ?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG6GMNd-xN0[/ame]
 
don't sell Obama short. A swine flu epidemic is all part of his plan to keep us safe from terrorists.

After all if we're all infected with a porcine flu, the Muslims, who are swine-o-phobic, will stay away.
 
Consider how many people would have to be in on a plan to murder millions of American, Terral.

Now consider that a flu isn't something that one can easily target one's intended victims with, either. So the people involved would just have to accept that their own friends and families are as likely to die and anyone else.

Do you really think hundreds, possibly thousands of co-conspirators could pull off something that audacious and that it wouldn't leak?

Frankly, Terrral, I think you're falling off the deep end, here.

except Editec your obviously not aware of the CIA'S phoenix program or Operation Mongoose or Operation Northwoods where we know from those previously declassified documents that the CIA and other intelligence agencys of the government such as NSA WILL go to great lengths to harm and kill thousands of people in their sick minded plans that they have for us.Like he said,you really should read that book he mentioned by Gary Allen NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY.great book that will blow you away with some frightening stuff that the mainstream media will never touch.
 
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Hi Inside Job with Editec mentioned:

except Editec your obviously not aware of the CIA'S phoenix program or Operation Mongoose or Operation Northwoods where we know from those previously declassified documents that the CIA and other intelligence agencys of the government such as NSA WILL go to great lengths to harm and kill thousands of people in their sick minded plans that they have for us. Like he said, you really should read that book he mentioned by Gary Allen NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY. great book that will blow you away with some frightening stuff that the mainstream media will never touch.

Holy cows, guys! Let’s try to stay somewhere near the Swine/Avian/Human Bio-weapon Flu Topic, before we scare Editec into a coma. :0) The best book to read for waking-the-hell-up is definitely “None Dare Call It Conspiracy” (link) that you can read for free by clicking the link in my signature, which will assist you in recognizing the smokescreen trickery that goes on right in front of your eyes every damned day. I need to remind everyone that my thesis here includes the fact that this “Mexican Swine Flu ‘COULD BE’ The Expected 9/11-like Event,” with strong emphasis upon “COULD BE.” We might very well be looking at a practice run/test operation where the weaker strain of a Super Virus has been released into the general population. However, any contingency plans we make today must assume that this is the killer virus now mutating in the general population. This Prison Planet article (here) is a good place to begin educating yourself on the Bio-warfare possibilities that can become the new reality in mere weeks if this turns out to be the New World Order-created Pandemic that I characterize as the 9/11-like Event leading to Martial Law.

The fact is that we are still too early in the game to know one way or the other if this Swine/Avian/Human Flu Strain represents the killer virus created by the deadly genome of the 1918 Pandemic. We have yet to determine if this virus will mutate along the Swine or Avian (bird) or Human Flu DNA lines, OR if the bug will mutate into something else entirely. We are in a period right now where the virus itself is infecting larger portions of the general population and hatching mutant/hybrid strains in order to elevate chances of success. Since the creators of this new virus have played with the transmission vectors, then the possibilities of this being a deliberate weak 'or' strong strain are impossible to calculate this early in the game. The fact that we have human-to-human transmission is a bad sign that this variant of the Swine/Avian Flu has been deliberately manufactured to include human genetic material to assist in the human-to-human transmission process.

The signs of Govt complicity in allowing this virus to spread is perhaps the most troubling aspect of all. Janet Napilotano has made the ultimate mistake by adopting a ‘passive surveillance’ position (story) that allows traffic to continue passing back and forth across our southern border. If you are reading the details of this thread carefully, then you know we are in the early stages where this virus infects large numbers of people who become mere ‘carriers’ displaying no symptoms at all. The Govt should have closed the border in the moment this virus was determined to possess human-to-human transmission capabilities. One great reason for concern is because of the lag time required to develop and pandemic vaccine (story), which is the primary reason this kind of virus is the perfect bio-weapon in the first place.

The U.S. Govt has displayed the willingness to allow this virus to cross our borders freely, which should raise the red flag of suspicion about what is really going on here behind the scenes. The bug now has access to a much larger human gene pool and can easily be transmitted by people traveling from the USA to all corners of the earth; which means the wider human genetic landscape is giving the virus a greater opportunity to create the ‘killer strain’ through a more versatile mutation process. In fact, the New World Order bad guys who developed this bio-weapon might already be in possession of the super strain and merely waiting for a specific global saturation point. Then they introduce the super strain somewhere on the globe and this becomes the ‘mutant’ that only appears to represent new bug from the original Swine Flu strain.

No matter what anybody says, we still need 10 to 14 days to know what is really going on here; as all of this can still be a precursor to the introduction of a super strain at some point down the road (2012?). The bio-weapon designers might need more information about this weaker strain for the engineering of their perfect killer bug still on the drawing board.

GL,

Terral
 
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Nightline: Swine Flu Man Made? - Combines 3 viruses from 3 continents


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgovilJbmAM[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8wkdA1VYE[/ame]
 
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Hi Eots And All:


Nightline: Swine Flu Man Made? - Combines 3 viruses from 3 continents


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgovilJbmAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8wkdA1VYE

Thanks to Eots for posting the video evidence that we are definitely looking at a manmade biological weapon virus that has been deliberately introduced into the global population. Each time you see a News Story about the "Swine Flu," then those people are LYING, because this bio-weapon is a HYBRID Human/Swine/Avian strain that is impossible to reproduce in nature.

Not only is this bio-weapon virus something that this world has never seen, but the microbiology engineers developed this strain to create a multitude of 'carriers' that have no symptoms at all. That means only one out of three, or four or ten have flu-like symptoms and the U.S. Officials are allowing this plague to spread unhindered. This 'deliberate' oversight is allowing the virus to infect the maximum number of hosts to generate a myriad of mutation strains of which only 'one' super-strain is required to 'potentially' wipe out more than 90 percent of the population of this planet. We will not even see signs of the super-strain until 10 to 14 days after the original transmission/infection/gestation cycle that began in the USA only a few days ago.

The viral engineers could have created a human/swine/avian hybrid that creates carriers without symptoms in 99.9 percent of the infected hosts 'and' only begins killing victims in the third, forth or fifth generations, or even farther down the line. Therefore, all of the reports about 'relatively mild' cases (story) represent News about the virus in a 'carrier state' and the very low percentage of victims showing symptoms; when the people bringing these victims to the hospital are carriers of the virus too 'and' are spreading the disease to everybody without even knowing it.

Then you have the disinformation cronies talking about a race to turn swine flu virus into a vaccine (story), when even beginning that LONG process is impossible today; because the hybrid bio-weapon virus has yet to mutate into the many different strains!!! Nobody even knows what this virus is going to become, when an adequate saturation point is reached and the virus itself begins rolling the dice to come up with the best strain to serve its very own unnatural purposes. Therefore, everyone on this planet must play the same waiting game (10 to 14 days is typical) to see what kind of biological monster the world is really fighting, and ‘then’ the real race to turn 'that' human/swine/avian virus strain into a vaccine will begin.

The problem for the USA and the world is that the timeframe for creating a viral vaccine takes a minimum of “six to eight months” (USA Today Story). Try to take a big step backwards to see the BIG PICTURE for what this simple truth means! Then realize, again, that we are looking at no typical swine, avian (bird) or human virus, but a hybrid that can mutate along three DNA probability lines ‘and’ can create different strains along ALL of those lines for which your vaccine will only work on one of them; if that. Then take a good, long and hard look at the diagram showing how a typical virus creates carriers and victims, until about a year later the mortality rate returns to zero; because the world population adapted by building up an antibody immunity.


1918-1919UK.jpg


Let us replace the 6/29/1918 date with 4/20/2009, which is three days before the April 23, 2009 date on the OP story. The first wave takes place over a one-month period, which represents the time from 4/20/2009 to about 5/18/2009, 'if' these two viral infections follow the same infection/transmission/gestation/mortality pattern. Then the mortality rate drops to near-zero for just about a two-month period, which takes us to the middle of July, or about 7/21/2009; give or take a few days. Only then do we see the mortality rate climb over a 45-day period, which takes us to the end of August or the beginning of September; when most of the victims perish over this one-year period. The down-side of the 'Wave Two Mortality Curve' (the big one) spans a slightly longer two-month period, which takes us through the month of September and October of 2009. Then we see a much lower mortality rate for the month of November, until the third and final wave kicks in around December 1, 2009 that peaks on January 1, 2010 and finally falls to near-zero by February 1-15, 2010.

Those of you paying attention, that can add and subtract, already see the problem with trying to create a vaccine for this deadly bio-weapon hybrid virus, because adding six to eight months to 4/20/2009 brings us to a time between 10/20/2009 and 1/20/2010 and all of these victims are already dead. By the time these microbiologists finally develop their vaccine, the general population will have already built up a natural resistance to the bio-weapon that is superior to anything developed in any test tube. In other words, all of the hype you see on the TV (here you go) is all about diverting your attention ‘away’ from the fact that we are looking at a New World Order ‘9/11-like Event’ described in the OP of this thread and in my subsequent posts that Eots is also talking about. Evidence that this Swine/Avian/Human Hybrid Virus has been traced to "missing Bioweapons from the top U.S. Army Bioweapons laborator at Fort Derick, MD" is here (story). This guy here (read from his blog) knows what is really going on. Here is the latest April 29, 2009 Update (here) stating that cases have jumped to 91 in 10 states.

But, of course, I am only a tinfoil hat-wearing idiot and nothing I say means anything anyway. :0) Now these kinds of stories make more sense:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g6UvtKaUvM"]And You Paid For This[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fSSjOmJv4s&feature=related"]New World Orders Waiting To Be Filled . . .[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph_RzNIqSTY"]Congressman Dan Hamburg On FEMA Camps[/ame]

GL,

Terral

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Hi Xotoxi:

What a crafty, well thought out scheme to kill millions of Americans.

Too bad the plan will be foiled by a simple invention that costs less than 50 cents.

mediawebserver.dyn

I have been thinking about your silly comment above, and your picture of this mask, and now see the need to wake you guys up on the realities of trying to use masks to protect yourself from any flu virus.

NBC Chief Science and Health Correspondent Robert Bazell has some vital information for you guys hiding behind these masks:

MSNBC.com Story

Q&A: Protecting yourself against swine flu

NBC’s Robert Bazell answers questions about masks, vaccines and more

By Robert Bazell
Chief science and health correspondent
NBC News
updated 6:04 p.m. ET, Tues., April 28, 2009

Do the masks that are sold over the counter and that we are seeing all over the news provide any protection?
—Anonymous

The masks sold over the counter provide minimal protection. Mostly they’re recommended for people working in hospitals or in laboratories. The virus can usually pass through them.

The mask can sometimes make people feel better — it seems like they’re doing something. But they can increase the level of fear among those around you, so health officials are not recommending use of the masks at all.
The reason that these health officials are not recommending the use of masks is because the size of the typical flu virus is between 50 and 120 nanometers in diameter (link). However, that 120 nanometer number is actually rather large, according to some sources, as we see 50 nm is the 'upper size for airborne virus particles' (here).

Looking down the list you can see that the HIV virus is almost twice that size at 90 nm, which means this bio-weapon flu strain is a very very small little critter indeed. So basically, wearing one of those cheap masks to stop this virus is like trying to catch a really small minnow in one of these (pic).

GL,

Terral
 
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Mass. Senate approves pandemic flu prep bill
By Associated Press
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - Added 21h ago


The Massachusetts Senate has unanimously passed a pandemic flu preparation bill that has languished in the Legislature before the recent swine flu outbreak.

The 36-0 vote today sends the measure to the House. Both branches have taken it up in past years, but have not been able to agree on the details.

The new Senate version would allow the public health commissioner — in a public health emergency — to close or evacuate buildings, enter private property for investigations, and quarantine individuals.

The measure also requires a registry for volunteers that would be activated in an emergency and establishes fines of up to $1,000 for not complying with local public health orders.

Sen. Richard Moore, chair of the Health Care Financing Committee, says the swine flu outbreak provides added impetus to pass the bill

Mass. Senate approves pandemic flu prep bill - BostonHerald.com
 
Yeah terral,my best friend just mentioned this to me yesterday and yeah I thought the same thing,that this is even worse than 9/11.It would be the perfect thing for them to use to declare martial law on us.

...and when none of this happens, which it wont, you dipshits will simply move on to your next crazy fucking conspiracy.
 
Yeah terral,my best friend just mentioned this to me yesterday and yeah I thought the same thing,that this is even worse than 9/11.It would be the perfect thing for them to use to declare martial law on us.

...and when none of this happens, which it wont, you dipshits will simply move on to your next crazy fucking conspiracy.


GOATBOY...isn't there some sporting event or sitcom you should be distracting yourself with right now
 
Yeah terral,my best friend just mentioned this to me yesterday and yeah I thought the same thing,that this is even worse than 9/11.It would be the perfect thing for them to use to declare martial law on us.

...and when none of this happens, which it wont, you dipshits will simply move on to your next crazy fucking conspiracy.


GOATBOY...isn't there some sporting event or sitcom you should be distracting yourself with right now

Im still surprised you have internet in your bomb shelter. I would think a paranoid delusional like yourself would be worried about being spied on by the government. Oh wait, i forgot the tin foil on your head protects you against that.
 
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...and when none of this happens, which it wont, you dipshits will simply move on to your next crazy fucking conspiracy.


GOATBOY...isn't there some sporting event or sitcom you should be distracting yourself with right now

Im still surprised you have internet in your bomb shelter. I would think a paranoid delusional like yourself would be worried about being spied on by the government. Oh wait, i forgot the tin foil on your head protects you against this.

thats all just your insane programed ramblings I speak of real issue based on logic and reason

from the same guys that want to sell you vacines..sure you can trust them...no conspiracy here..because in goatboy world conspiracys dont exsist...you fucking idiot


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_iXApBeT5s[/ame]
 
GOATBOY...isn't there some sporting event or sitcom you should be distracting yourself with right now

Im still surprised you have internet in your bomb shelter. I would think a paranoid delusional like yourself would be worried about being spied on by the government. Oh wait, i forgot the tin foil on your head protects you against this.

thats all just your insane programed ramblings I speak of real issue based on logic and reason

from the same guys that want to sell you vacines..sure you can trust them...no conspiracy here..because in goatboy world conspiracys dont exsist...you fucking idiot

Well, untill you guys are actually right about one of your conspiracies, they DONT exist. You guys are NEVER right about these things, EVER. By this time next year, you will have forgotten about the swine flu conspiracy and you wont be held accountable for your claim. Surely, out of ALL the fucking conspiracies you guys come up with, you should have been able to prove at least one of them by now, but that isnt the case.

You are insane, and you wouldnt know logic and reason if it hit you in your tin foil wrapped head.
 

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