Methodists vote no to same-sex marriage and gay pastors

[Picaro]

Homosexual sodomy is condemned uniformly and variously in the Bible, as it is in every other major religion in the world.

The very idea that self-proclaimed sinners should be welcomed as members in good standing is absurd.

We are all sinners, but...

Church history is full of common sense prohibitions, including tossing out deviants and vermin. there is some myth with no biblical basis at all that Xians have to 'tolerate' all kinds of rubbish and practice extreme pacifism or something; they don't, and those who believe this rubbish can never keep their churches or their children safe from scum. Faggots only want inside churches for two reasons, to rape the kids and destroy the churches' political power.

 

[DGS49]

I honestly do not know very much about what the Methodist Church teaches today in modern times.

I know a number of major details concerning its founder John Wesley... Methodists believe in infant baptism. They also believe in the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper, Christ is literally and truly present in the bread.
Methodists believe that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist.

The Methodist Church today has somewhat split apart and the more liberal half of the organization is opposed to Donald Trump President Trump. The United Methodist Churches Organization President has stated that " President Trump’s words are not only offensive and harmful, and harmful, they are racist,” the council said in a statement released by its former president, Bishop Bruce R. Ough.

The Roman Catholic Church also is very opposed to Donald Trump and has been more interested in influencing the American Government and manipulating its massive immigration business, than influencing the abuse and rape of little children throughout the Catholic world.

The priorities of the Catholic Church has had no actionable interest in stopping the priests and bishops with sexual natures that are attracted to males from committing this abuse. This is where the root of the problem lies.

The Vatican seems so wrapped up, involved and tied up in making sure that over 50% of Catholics here in the USA are voting for Obama, Hillary and other Democrat Socialist - that the only failure that The Catholic Church can comprehend and ever image that possibly exists - is the fact that 100 % of American Catholics have not voted and supported the Democrat party. The Catholic leaders and Catholic base and business organization have expressed such horrendous and dreaded dissatisfaction concerning the outcome of the election of Donald Trump.

POPE FRANCIS a has expressed His absolute personal dislike for Donald Trump and had even condemned Him as not being a true Christian. - "T he pope is expressing his displeasure and dissatisfaction at the election of Donald Trump as president and with the Catholic Americans who voted for him,". -
“ROMAN King , Herod “ The Traditional ancient story here in Mat 2:8 King Herod sent the wise men, to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

And here in verse - 16. - 16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, ( Who did not tell him ) He was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had looked for the baby and the little feller ,Yahoshua.

I can remember the story of King Herod from the Bible and Pope Francis and the Catholic Organization truly reminds of how that King Herod wanted to get close to Yahoshua so that he could manipulate and control the situation before He became popular and began to threaten His business and power structure and dominance. - - But when things did not go His way and He at the moment that had absolutely no control, no way to control the situation, King Herod - immediately turned his back on the little children of Israel and thousands of innocent babies suffered a horrible death.

I just cant see any difference between King Herod and Pope Francis. It is the same attitude and outcome and The Pope seems to have no true concern for little children.
The Pope seeks to demonize and vilify Donald Trump by comparing His stand on border security as somehow the same evil and murderous acts of abortion and murdering billions of little babies in abortion. When Donald Trump doing everything He can to protect babies and stop late-term abortion. Donald Trump is working with Congress to get a bill approved for a ban on abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. But the Pope has never once made a single public comment about Barak Oboma and His complete and total murderous acts of killing little children just before they are to be born.

Donald Trump is entrenched in a political battle and the Pope has condemned Him for His strong stand against illegal immigration. Of course, Trump is trying to make sure that America is safe and that criminals and people who we know nothing about are not just pouring and flooding into the country. The Pope compares Trump’s position to the same acts of the abortionists. In other words, unless Trump opens the borders and allows anyone to come into The USA and allows people who illegally entered the country to stay here – while people are still legally waiting in line to come here – then trump is the same as an infant killer and a baby killer. - - This is a tremendous accusation and vilification that has been levied against our president. I can understand that Roman Catholics do not want to join abortionists in the abortion clinics - and do not want to celebrate with same sex marriages in their wedding ceremonies - but they by the majority - even from the Vatican - continually join them in the voting booth and political arena.

Even today, Pope Francis is COMPARING THE ENTIRE SUBJECT OF ABORTION and killing little innocent children - as the same act of Trump's immigration policy. How can this distorted mindset and nonadjacent spirit even deal with the reality of sexual abuse when the only goal of the Vatican is to manipulate Catholics into defeating Trump in the elections - which would ensure that full term abortion would never stop. I believe that this same policy exists in the way that the Vatican handles the abuse of children in sexual abuse. Why is Socialism and Catholic Immigration business opportunities in mass migrating and re - cropping, re -settling millions of Catholics into the welfare system of the USA the only thing that matters to Rome. Isn't this the same selective morality of King Herod Of Rome ?

SEA OF NAILS, you are a sick puppy. Why do you hijack a thread about Methodists to spew your ill-informed opinions and bigotry against the Roman Catholic Church?

The "Catholic Church" has neither embraced nor rejected President Trump; we are about evenly divided. The American Catholic Church is also even divided about this Pope, with political conservatives generally praying for his death, removal, or retirement. Maybe all three.

As for the pedophilia crisis in the Church, it is much too complex to be treated in a couple of paragraphs, and the Pope's involvement and reactions appear to be tempered by a personal "soft spot" for homosexuality. Draw your own conclusions. The single bright spot, if you are interested, is the great Cardinal Daniel DiNardo, who has proposed that ALL reports of sexual misconduct by clergy be immediately brought to a non-clergy (and partly non-Catholic) committee of professionals for disposition. This single initiative will, when implemented, satisfy any fair-minded observer of the sincerity of the Church's position and motives.

Unfortunately, much of the anti-Church energy is driven by pure anti-Catholic bigotry and by cash-seeking attorneys and dubiously-credible accusers who are seeking to cash in before the relevant Dioceses declare bankruptcy.

In the meantime, the innocent alms-givers in the pews are tasked with paying the bills, as essentially all of the perpetrators are judgment-proof.

 

[seaofnails]

President Donald Trump is very important to the discussion.

Both - The Current Pope Francis and also The United Methodist Churches Organization President have strongly opposed The President. Accusing the President that " President Trump’s words are not only offensive and harmful, and harmful, they are racist,” the Methodist council released this statement by its former president, Bishop Bruce R. Ough.

Pope Francis has even compared Trump's adherence and compliance with US laws concerning border security - as equal or as the same sin of abortion. In other words, the leader of The Methodist Church and The Leader of The Catholic Church are both trying - to convince others that - Donald Trump is an evil man - to say, he is racist, offensive and committing actions that are equivalent to killing a little baby.

United Methodists Bishops - Condemn President Trump for "Offensive" Remarks Against Immigrants. I also believe that the Methodists Church is experiencing this division because Donald Trump is also making a stance against allowing transgenders from joining the military. Because transgenders have no place in the military and are destructive to the military. I believe it is everything that Trump stands for. Not just the sexual issues alone and not just his immigration policy alone - but everything that the Republican Party stands for concerning reality and morals and basic US LAW and the truth.

Half of The Methodist Church and half of the Catholic Church are opposing Trump when he is obeying the US law and protecting the taxpayers and the military - and I would be willing to bet - that over half of the Methodist Church are Pro-Abortion as well. When we look at what Catholics and Methodists believe and the way their church is divided - the issues are very comparable and they share some of the same faiths regarding Infant Baptism, Eucharist - and also the Trinity Theory of Rome.

It is almost as if the Methodists are taking their marching orders from Rome. But we know that these marching orders not coming or originating from Rome but these ideas and mentalities are coming from a spiritual source that guides both what Catholics and Methodists believe.

There is a portion of the Methodist Church that are fanatical about homosexuals being ordained ministers. They have vowed in determination to continue to fight for homosexual ordination, same-sex marriage, and the complete endorsement of homosexuals in the church.

 

[seaofnails]

Why would making a side by side comparison between The Catholic and Methodists Churches need to be depicted as a hijacking or a seizing or usurpation. ?

Even - The Roman Catholics have not at all been hijacked by the sex abusers who lead them - the alms-givers in the pews sovereignty and freely hand over their massive gifts, alms, cash and write checks and freely give their monies to the most sexually deviant leaders that exist on earth that have been employed by the Vatican.

The Catholic congregation knows fully that Spirit and that View of the Liberal Democrat Vatican that is full and complete alliance with the Liberal Democrat party and Socialism around the world - And at the end of the day the foundation of the Socialist Democrat Party seeks to assign and designate a Bi-Sexual Nature to little children and they openly hire Grown men who have Bi-Sexual urges or attractions to undeveloped minors who do not fully comprehend or understand and know their own sexual identity because they are undeveloped minors.

The Vatican holds hands with the Liberal Democrat Party and when Oboma and Hillary were in office, The Vatican and Pope never once said a single word about Oboma and Hillary concerning their morality or character regarding Abortion or Same-Sex Marriage, But today, The Pope demands suddenly broadcasting and targeting only Trump personally - in a worldwide denouncement and condemnation, to say that Trump is the one who is not a good Christian and Trump's actions on border security are the same as committing abortion.

While never saying a single word about Oboma and Hillary. And at the same time - The Pope seeks to demonize and vilify Donald Trump. The Methodist Church has done the same exact thing.

The Methodists have the same exact situation regarding the political setup and they also are divided and yet Catholics and Methodists are all in the same bed. Their divided leaders openly inform and express their positions and everyone who looks at what they say and are who are informed, they can find out exactly what their leaders believe. In the same regard - The Methodists laity and tithe payers know exactly which side of the Methodist bed that they lay upon. Methodists are not being high jacked.

The Methodists leaders make their moral and political standards public and openly draw their lines.

When Liberal Democrat Politicians are in office they quiet down and let the ball continually hit the net and score the points. When someone like Donald Trump comes into office they suddenly divide and split into groups among themselves and publicly make massive attempts to make a show of a divided congregation and internal strife, disagreement and conflict, and internal opposition. When a Liberal Democrat comes back into office Methodists and Catholics can all lay back down in the same bed and declare and express their shared unity and united love for the same affirmation - as long as has nothing to do with basic Bible Principals their unity is booming and throbbing and overflowing – when they feel that a leader among them or in the political world is shaking or disturbing the bed, they scatter, separate come apart and divide into smaller groups clusters and show the world that they have divided and separated, until the bed becomes calm and peaceful and a silence falls over the majority.

Every point counts, every single coin that falls into the bank is an important and crucial part of being a Catholic and a Methodist. They open an avenue for all ideas, all views and all walks of life to redeem themselves at their spiritual bed.

For example - Roman Catholics do not want to openly join abortionists in the abortion clinics - and do not want to celebrate with same sex marriages in their wedding ceremonies - but they by the majority - even from the very Vatican Pope - continually join them hand in hand - in the voting booth and the political arena.

Roman Catholic Love the Pontiffs no matter what they do. And that is why they call them Father. - { Daddy } Papa - Holy Father. Roman Catholics love to work their way back into their Fathers arms no matter what apostate, heretical, sinful and untruthful statements they make, and no matter what they do, they always love their father. This is their love - This is their faith. In The end - The Roman Catholic and Methodist Church survives by doing what it took to stay in the same bed..

This is the foundational orbit of their traditional and historical faith - called Christian unity and spiritual concord and serving their god.

 

[theHawk]

The Methodist church has long been a proponent of gays. Despite this vote, there will still be many reverends preaching their pro gay crap.

 

[Baron]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Methodist church has long been a proponent of gays. Despite this vote, there will still be many reverends preaching their pro gay crap.

Look for the Methodist Church to split. There will be a 21st century faction, and a 17th century faction.