Message to LGBTQ people -- stop pushing your agenda into my beloved roleplaying games!!!

[Luddly Neddite]

LGBTQ people demand the spotlight constantly be shined on them and their problems and their radical agenda to transform our society.

This crap has even invaded my beloved roleplaying games, with detailed explanations FORCED BY THE LGBTQ community, why it's ok to be unsure about your sexual identity with your fantasy character:

The acceptance in 5th Edition has made me incredibly happy. Thank you WOTC, thank you D&D! • /r/DnD

From the most recent printing of the Dungeons & Dragons Next (5th ed.) Players Handbook:

You don't need to be confined to binary notions of sex and gender. The elf god Corellon Larethian is often seen as androgynous or hermaphroditic, for example, and some elves in the multiverse are made in Corellon's image. You could also play a female character who presents herself as a man, a man who feels trapped in a female body, or a bearded female dwarf who hates being mistaken for a male. Likewise, your character's sexual orientation is for you to decide.

Why is this necessary? I have no frickin' idea. In the 2nd ed. of Dungeons & Dragons ("Advanced Dungeons & Dragons") genders were distinct in that maximum strength was slightly higher for males than females, which seemed a common sense concession to reality, without too much of a penalty for those who wanted to roleplay females.

But that distinction was done away with in Dungeons & Dragons 3.5, and there was no difference in maximum strength between the genders.

In Pathfinder, a fantasy role playing game published by Paizo, it was put out there that all the official stock characters were bisexuals.

But now, even universal bisexualism isn't good enough.

Now we have to explicitly tell players, including children as young as four-years-old, that it's ok if their character is confused about their gender identity, and wishes with all his heart that he had no penis and testicles, or that she had no vagina.

This has reached the too-frickin'-far point. Innocent kids who play a roleplaying game should not be exposed to the mentally unstable gender confusion of adults who think that there is no such thing as God, and therefore no objective reality, and therefore no objective truth regarding what gender you belong to.

Your body defines your gender. If you have a penis and testicles, you're a male. If you have a vagina, you're a female. God decided that when he gave you a penis and testicles or a vagina. You don't get to decide. Your DNA is your destiny, like it or not. The only people who SHOULD have a problem with this are hermaphrodites, but that's a rare condition and is biological in nature. If you have a clearly defined penis and testicles or vagina, you have no excuse to be confused about what gender you are.

Stop exposing little children who just want to play a game to your gender confusion problems. Roleplaying games are not the "safe place" you should be looking for. Go find some adult venue to talk about your gender identity problems, and only talk to people who care, because most of us don't.

Straw man fallacy, a ridiculous lie.

The only thing gay and transgender Americans demand is their civil rights and to be left alone.

Indeed, gay and transgender Americans wish only to live their lives quietly, out of the ‘spotlight,’ like all other private citizens.

If you’re ‘tired’ of ‘hearing about’ gay and transgender Americans, then stop discriminating against them and seeking to disadvantage them through force of law.

If they want to be out of the "spotlight" why do they have "Gay Pride" parades where they flaunt their special selves, and why do they demand their own "special paragraph" just for them in the player's handbook of every roleplaying game?

Why do you demand they not play the same games you do?

Why do you demand your own special games?

The OP really is childish and idiotic.

 

[bodecea]

There is a movement afoot by the modern feminist movement (I say modern since it is mostly LGBTQ and not traditional feminist) to tell the world that white males who play roleplaying games are dangerous rapists who hate women, minorities, and LGBTQ people, and won't let them play.

This is a dirty lie.

While most of the people I have played roleplaying games ARE straight white males, this is not because of discrimination or harassment. Whenever a female wants to play, we are very welcoming. But most females don't want to play. The game is not interesting to most females. They like the pretending to be someone else part, but for the most part they are uninterested in the nitty-gritty of rules mechanics, and they quickly grow bored with the game.

We HAVE played with a gay male, and he is always welcome to play again. He is moving back from Ohio, and will rejoin our group when he does, and we have alway invited his husband. Not only is the husband gay, but he is a Bernie Sanders supporter as well, AND an admitted Marxist-Leninist, and he is STILL welcome to my game.

We also have a black male at the game, and right now he has taken center stage in my campaign as the character who knows the most about what's really going on, and is leading the quest.

So it is a lie that white straight males are exclusive, or that we are harassing, women, minorities, and LGBTQ people.

And, it may interest you to know, I have included an important NPC character who is female, but was lied to by her mother and thinks she is male. This NPC is a tough half-orc who was recently boatswain on a ship, in charge of discipling the men. Only the black male player knows this at this point, and it is causing him much pain when the others talk to this half-orc as "one of the guys." Because not only is the character female, she is a virgin and does not know anything about sex, and does not understand hints and innuendo about sex.

You sound like GamerGate.

 

[Blackrook]

The "trigger" for this was I turned on NPR, and there was YET ANOTHER STORY about gay people and their problems.

You people have won a total victory. You got everything you asked for. So there is no longer a need to demand that the TV and radiowaves be filled with stories about you and your problems.

It is time to move on and talk about something important, like our economy that is still floundering eight years after it crashed in 2008. Or the declining quality of life of the middle and working class. Or massive lack of participation in the work place. Or out of control illegal immigration deliberately caused by our government.

Those are the important issues. The gays need to step off center stage and stop breathing up all the oxygen.

 

[Blackrook]

There is a movement afoot by the modern feminist movement (I say modern since it is mostly LGBTQ and not traditional feminist) to tell the world that white males who play roleplaying games are dangerous rapists who hate women, minorities, and LGBTQ people, and won't let them play.

This is a dirty lie.

While most of the people I have played roleplaying games ARE straight white males, this is not because of discrimination or harassment. Whenever a female wants to play, we are very welcoming. But most females don't want to play. The game is not interesting to most females. They like the pretending to be someone else part, but for the most part they are uninterested in the nitty-gritty of rules mechanics, and they quickly grow bored with the game.

We HAVE played with a gay male, and he is always welcome to play again. He is moving back from Ohio, and will rejoin our group when he does, and we have alway invited his husband. Not only is the husband gay, but he is a Bernie Sanders supporter as well, AND an admitted Marxist-Leninist, and he is STILL welcome to my game.

We also have a black male at the game, and right now he has taken center stage in my campaign as the character who knows the most about what's really going on, and is leading the quest.

So it is a lie that white straight males are exclusive, or that we are harassing, women, minorities, and LGBTQ people.

And, it may interest you to know, I have included an important NPC character who is female, but was lied to by her mother and thinks she is male. This NPC is a tough half-orc who was recently boatswain on a ship, in charge of discipling the men. Only the black male player knows this at this point, and it is causing him much pain when the others talk to this half-orc as "one of the guys." Because not only is the character female, she is a virgin and does not know anything about sex, and does not understand hints and innuendo about sex.

You sound like GamerGate.

Yes, duh, I'm talking about Gamergate. You catch on quick.

Gamergate is about femi-Nazis attacking and ruining roleplaying games with their radical feminist and LGBTQ agenda.

 

[bodecea]

What I'm saying is, it need not be said. If someone really wants to be gay in the game, I'll allow it. But there is no need for a special paragraph in the Player's Handbook that any impressionable child can read, and get confused by.

Well, bless you Sire.

 

[LoneLaugher]

What happened to the good old days when geeks accepted anyone as friends?

Great thread. The asshole wants to tell people what games they can play.

You're a liar because I never said that. Read my second post. And stop lying, liar. You lie constantly on this forum and that reflects your total lack of honesty and ethics.

Of course you did. You don't want trannies playing in your fantasy world, loser. Why else would you start this thread?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

LGBTQ people demand the spotlight constantly be shined on them and their problems and their radical agenda to transform our society.

This crap has even invaded my beloved roleplaying games, with detailed explanations FORCED BY THE LGBTQ community, why it's ok to be unsure about your sexual identity with your fantasy character:

The acceptance in 5th Edition has made me incredibly happy. Thank you WOTC, thank you D&D! • /r/DnD

From the most recent printing of the Dungeons & Dragons Next (5th ed.) Players Handbook:

You don't need to be confined to binary notions of sex and gender. The elf god Corellon Larethian is often seen as androgynous or hermaphroditic, for example, and some elves in the multiverse are made in Corellon's image. You could also play a female character who presents herself as a man, a man who feels trapped in a female body, or a bearded female dwarf who hates being mistaken for a male. Likewise, your character's sexual orientation is for you to decide.

Why is this necessary? I have no frickin' idea. In the 2nd ed. of Dungeons & Dragons ("Advanced Dungeons & Dragons") genders were distinct in that maximum strength was slightly higher for males than females, which seemed a common sense concession to reality, without too much of a penalty for those who wanted to roleplay females.

But that distinction was done away with in Dungeons & Dragons 3.5, and there was no difference in maximum strength between the genders.

In Pathfinder, a fantasy role playing game published by Paizo, it was put out there that all the official stock characters were bisexuals.

But now, even universal bisexualism isn't good enough.

Now we have to explicitly tell players, including children as young as four-years-old, that it's ok if their character is confused about their gender identity, and wishes with all his heart that he had no penis and testicles, or that she had no vagina.

This has reached the too-frickin'-far point. Innocent kids who play a roleplaying game should not be exposed to the mentally unstable gender confusion of adults who think that there is no such thing as God, and therefore no objective reality, and therefore no objective truth regarding what gender you belong to.

Your body defines your gender. If you have a penis and testicles, you're a male. If you have a vagina, you're a female. God decided that when he gave you a penis and testicles or a vagina. You don't get to decide. Your DNA is your destiny, like it or not. The only people who SHOULD have a problem with this are hermaphrodites, but that's a rare condition and is biological in nature. If you have a clearly defined penis and testicles or vagina, you have no excuse to be confused about what gender you are.

Stop exposing little children who just want to play a game to your gender confusion problems. Roleplaying games are not the "safe place" you should be looking for. Go find some adult venue to talk about your gender identity problems, and only talk to people who care, because most of us don't.

Straw man fallacy, a ridiculous lie.

The only thing gay and transgender Americans demand is their civil rights and to be left alone.

Indeed, gay and transgender Americans wish only to live their lives quietly, out of the ‘spotlight,’ like all other private citizens.

If you’re ‘tired’ of ‘hearing about’ gay and transgender Americans, then stop discriminating against them and seeking to disadvantage them through force of law.

If they want to be out of the "spotlight" why do they have "Gay Pride" parades where they flaunt their special selves, and why do they demand their own "special paragraph" just for them in the player's handbook of every roleplaying game?

Because they’re using such events to countervail the bigotry and hate you and others on the frightened, reactionary right direct at gay and transgender Americans.

And why should you care about or object to gay pride events – they don’t ‘harm’ you in any way; the propensity of you and most others on the right to fear expressions of diversity and individual liberty is one of the more reprehensible manifestations of conservativism.

Last. those who participate in gay pride events constitute a tiny minority of gay Americans, in no way ‘representative’ of gay Americans in general; indeed, gay Americans don’t exist as some ‘monolithic’ community, they’re individuals as varied and diverse as all other Americans.

 

[bodecea]

There is a movement afoot by the modern feminist movement (I say modern since it is mostly LGBTQ and not traditional feminist) to tell the world that white males who play roleplaying games are dangerous rapists who hate women, minorities, and LGBTQ people, and won't let them play.

This is a dirty lie.

While most of the people I have played roleplaying games ARE straight white males, this is not because of discrimination or harassment. Whenever a female wants to play, we are very welcoming. But most females don't want to play. The game is not interesting to most females. They like the pretending to be someone else part, but for the most part they are uninterested in the nitty-gritty of rules mechanics, and they quickly grow bored with the game.

We HAVE played with a gay male, and he is always welcome to play again. He is moving back from Ohio, and will rejoin our group when he does, and we have alway invited his husband. Not only is the husband gay, but he is a Bernie Sanders supporter as well, AND an admitted Marxist-Leninist, and he is STILL welcome to my game.

We also have a black male at the game, and right now he has taken center stage in my campaign as the character who knows the most about what's really going on, and is leading the quest.

So it is a lie that white straight males are exclusive, or that we are harassing, women, minorities, and LGBTQ people.

And, it may interest you to know, I have included an important NPC character who is female, but was lied to by her mother and thinks she is male. This NPC is a tough half-orc who was recently boatswain on a ship, in charge of discipling the men. Only the black male player knows this at this point, and it is causing him much pain when the others talk to this half-orc as "one of the guys." Because not only is the character female, she is a virgin and does not know anything about sex, and does not understand hints and innuendo about sex.

You sound like GamerGate.

Yes, duh, I'm talking about Gamergate. You catch on quick.

Gamergate is about femi-Nazis attacking and ruining roleplaying games with their radical feminist and LGBTQ agenda.

Wrong...GamerGate is about insecure "males" such as yourself threatening women who enjoy gaming.

This is your crew: Gamergate controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Blackrook]

I notice that all the usual suspects are deliberately misconstruing and lying about what I have said. I have already said that a gay male has played in my game, and that when he moves back from Ohio, he and his husband are welcome to return.

All I'm saying is that this gender confusion crap doesn't need to be in book that will be read by children. That's all I'm saying. We already have gay parents encouraging their children to be gender confused, and we don't need more mind-twisted unhappy children.

 

[Blackrook]

Also, it's immoral, but I guess that's not even a factor in the discussion anymore. God has been banished by the LGBTQ, and apparently anyone who still believes in him is a bigot who deserves to have his life and career destroyed. The LGBTQ people have turned into terrorists.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I notice that all the usual suspects are deliberately misconstruing and lying about what I have said. I have already said that a gay male has played in my game, and that when he moves back from Ohio, he and his husband are welcome to return.

All I'm saying is that this gender confusion crap doesn't need to be in book that will be read by children. That's all I'm saying. We already have gay parents encouraging their children to be gender confused, and we don't need more mind-twisted unhappy children.

You act like you know more about what children need than other people. Why is that?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Also, it's immoral, but I guess that's not even a factor in the discussion anymore. God has been banished by the LGBTQ, and apparently anyone who still believes in him is a bigot who deserves to have his life and career destroyed. The LGBTQ people have turned into terrorists.

Of course. Terrorists. Great word.

 

[Blackrook]

I notice that all the usual suspects are deliberately misconstruing and lying about what I have said. I have already said that a gay male has played in my game, and that when he moves back from Ohio, he and his husband are welcome to return.

All I'm saying is that this gender confusion crap doesn't need to be in book that will be read by children. That's all I'm saying. We already have gay parents encouraging their children to be gender confused, and we don't need more mind-twisted unhappy children.

You act like you know more about what children need than other people. Why is that?

Because I raised three children, and I am a good father, as my three children and my wife, and everyone else who knows me would tell you.

I spend more time with my son's friends than their own fathers do, and I am more of a father than any of them have ever had. We play roleplaying games, and through that I try to teach them lessons of what I know of the world from the perspective of a 50-year-old man who has seen a lot.

I do not approve of homosexual marriage, but the gay male married couple are welcome to play in my game because I know the difference between disapproval and intolerance. That's a distinction that has been plowed down by the radical gay agenda folks, who say that anyone who disapproves of homosexual marriage is a "hater" and deserves to be utterly destroyed.

Typically, the usual radical hateful liberals are lying about what I said in the OP. I did not say I will not play roleplaying games with LGBTQ folks, in my second post and afterwards I made it clear that a gay male DID play a key role in my last campaign, and that he and his husband are welcome to play again if they move back from Ohio, which is what they are planning to do.

I am sure they are aware that I, a traditional Catholic, disapprove of their lifestyle but that does not have to interfere with our friendship. As a Christian who follows what the Bible says, I have no choice but to disapprove of homosexuality, it is explicitly said in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin.

But disapproval is not the same as intolerance. I can be friends with people who do things I disapprove of. I'm sure that among my friends are many people who do things I disapprove of, especially such common sins like adultery and fornication.

Like I said, and I said it again, LGBQT are not special snowflakes. But there is no other group of sinners seeking approval for the sins they commit. We do not have idol worshippers, adulterers, thieves and murderers demanding that we approve of what they do. LGBTQ are the only group doing that.

 

[Blackrook]

It's always the same three or four liberals who always react with horror and outrage to every thread I post. It's like these guys never leave the forum.

 

[aris2chat]

LGBTQ people demand the spotlight constantly be shined on them and their problems and their radical agenda to transform our society.

This crap has even invaded my beloved roleplaying games, with detailed explanations FORCED BY THE LGBTQ community, why it's ok to be unsure about your sexual identity with your fantasy character:

The acceptance in 5th Edition has made me incredibly happy. Thank you WOTC, thank you D&D! • /r/DnD

From the most recent printing of the Dungeons & Dragons Next (5th ed.) Players Handbook:

You don't need to be confined to binary notions of sex and gender. The elf god Corellon Larethian is often seen as androgynous or hermaphroditic, for example, and some elves in the multiverse are made in Corellon's image. You could also play a female character who presents herself as a man, a man who feels trapped in a female body, or a bearded female dwarf who hates being mistaken for a male. Likewise, your character's sexual orientation is for you to decide.

Why is this necessary? I have no frickin' idea. In the 2nd ed. of Dungeons & Dragons ("Advanced Dungeons & Dragons") genders were distinct in that maximum strength was slightly higher for males than females, which seemed a common sense concession to reality, without too much of a penalty for those who wanted to roleplay females.

But that distinction was done away with in Dungeons & Dragons 3.5, and there was no difference in maximum strength between the genders.

In Pathfinder, a fantasy role playing game published by Paizo, it was put out there that all the official stock characters were bisexuals.

But now, even universal bisexualism isn't good enough.

Now we have to explicitly tell players, including children as young as four-years-old, that it's ok if their character is confused about their gender identity, and wishes with all his heart that he had no penis and testicles, or that she had no vagina.

This has reached the too-frickin'-far point. Innocent kids who play a roleplaying game should not be exposed to the mentally unstable gender confusion of adults who think that there is no such thing as God, and therefore no objective reality, and therefore no objective truth regarding what gender you belong to.

Your body defines your gender. If you have a penis and testicles, you're a male. If you have a vagina, you're a female. God decided that when he gave you a penis and testicles or a vagina. You don't get to decide. Your DNA is your destiny, like it or not. The only people who SHOULD have a problem with this are hermaphrodites, but that's a rare condition and is biological in nature. If you have a clearly defined penis and testicles or vagina, you have no excuse to be confused about what gender you are.

Stop exposing little children who just want to play a game to your gender confusion problems. Roleplaying games are not the "safe place" you should be looking for. Go find some adult venue to talk about your gender identity problems, and only talk to people who care, because most of us don't.

D&D video or table/group?

70's-90's, when I played, we had gay characters by a role of the dice when creating our characters.

I never cared for the video/online games. My kids play online. I had a boxes of books and several thick binders of characters and even towns and schools they founded.

 

[aris2chat]

What I'm saying is, it need not be said. If someone really wants to be gay in the game, I'll allow it. But there is no need for a special paragraph in the Player's Handbook that any impressionable child can read, and get confused by.

kids today don't bother with player handbook they play online/video, and most know more about gays than you probably do, they go to school with them.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I notice that all the usual suspects are deliberately misconstruing and lying about what I have said. I have already said that a gay male has played in my game, and that when he moves back from Ohio, he and his husband are welcome to return.

All I'm saying is that this gender confusion crap doesn't need to be in book that will be read by children. That's all I'm saying. We already have gay parents encouraging their children to be gender confused, and we don't need more mind-twisted unhappy children.

You act like you know more about what children need than other people. Why is that?

Because I raised three children, and I am a good father, as my three children and my wife, and everyone else who knows me would tell you.

I spend more time with my son's friends than their own fathers do, and I am more of a father than any of them have ever had. We play roleplaying games, and through that I try to teach them lessons of what I know of the world from the perspective of a 50-year-old man who has seen a lot.

I do not approve of homosexual marriage, but the gay male married couple are welcome to play in my game because I know the difference between disapproval and intolerance. That's a distinction that has been plowed down by the radical gay agenda folks, who say that anyone who disapproves of homosexual marriage is a "hater" and deserves to be utterly destroyed.

Typically, the usual radical hateful liberals are lying about what I said in the OP. I did not say I will not play roleplaying games with LGBTQ folks, in my second post and afterwards I made it clear that a gay male DID play a key role in my last campaign, and that he and his husband are welcome to play again if they move back from Ohio, which is what they are planning to do.

I am sure they are aware that I, a traditional Catholic, disapprove of their lifestyle but that does not have to interfere with our friendship. As a Christian who follows what the Bible says, I have no choice but to disapprove of homosexuality, it is explicitly said in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin.

But disapproval is not the same as intolerance. I can be friends with people who do things I disapprove of. I'm sure that among my friends are many people who do things I disapprove of, especially such common sins like adultery and fornication.

Like I said, and I said it again, LGBQT are not special snowflakes. But there is no other group of sinners seeking approval for the sins they commit. We do not have idol worshippers, adulterers, thieves and murderers demanding that we approve of what they do. LGBTQ are the only group doing that.

You have no credentials that I don't have. I think you should tell your kids all about gay people and how your God made them just like he made everyone else.

The bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin. And you are simply obsessed with it. Jesus never even mentioned it.

Freak.

 

[mdk]

Also, it's immoral, but I guess that's not even a factor in the discussion anymore. God has been banished by the LGBTQ, and apparently anyone who still believes in him is a bigot who deserves to have his life and career destroyed. The LGBTQ people have turned into terrorists.

 

[Blackrook]

I knew nothing about homosexuality when I was a child, I didn't even think it existed. When kids at school started using the word "gay" and "fag" in seventh grade, I did not know what those words meant, and I don't think they did either.

I had friends who acted gay in high school, but I was still so naive I did not perceive them as gay, I just thought they acted weird. When I signed up for a drama class and saw a bunch of men prancing around acting gay, I was uncomfortable and dropped the class, but I still did not know what I was seeing.

Finally, in my first year of community college, I went to an outing with a strange nerdy female friend of mine, and at that outing I saw her other strange nerdy friends. And then I saw two men kissing each other on the lips, and I still didn't know what was going on, but I didn't like it so I left the park without saying goodbye to anyone.

So I was an innocent child, and gayness wasn't always shoved in your face back then, and people were gay, but they didn't make you look at it. And because that's the way my life was, I wish it was still that way. The constant, unrelenting, unmerciful focus of the media on gayness now irritates me.

 

[Blackrook]

I notice that all the usual suspects are deliberately misconstruing and lying about what I have said. I have already said that a gay male has played in my game, and that when he moves back from Ohio, he and his husband are welcome to return.

All I'm saying is that this gender confusion crap doesn't need to be in book that will be read by children. That's all I'm saying. We already have gay parents encouraging their children to be gender confused, and we don't need more mind-twisted unhappy children.

You act like you know more about what children need than other people. Why is that?

Because I raised three children, and I am a good father, as my three children and my wife, and everyone else who knows me would tell you.

I spend more time with my son's friends than their own fathers do, and I am more of a father than any of them have ever had. We play roleplaying games, and through that I try to teach them lessons of what I know of the world from the perspective of a 50-year-old man who has seen a lot.

I do not approve of homosexual marriage, but the gay male married couple are welcome to play in my game because I know the difference between disapproval and intolerance. That's a distinction that has been plowed down by the radical gay agenda folks, who say that anyone who disapproves of homosexual marriage is a "hater" and deserves to be utterly destroyed.

Typically, the usual radical hateful liberals are lying about what I said in the OP. I did not say I will not play roleplaying games with LGBTQ folks, in my second post and afterwards I made it clear that a gay male DID play a key role in my last campaign, and that he and his husband are welcome to play again if they move back from Ohio, which is what they are planning to do.

I am sure they are aware that I, a traditional Catholic, disapprove of their lifestyle but that does not have to interfere with our friendship. As a Christian who follows what the Bible says, I have no choice but to disapprove of homosexuality, it is explicitly said in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin.

But disapproval is not the same as intolerance. I can be friends with people who do things I disapprove of. I'm sure that among my friends are many people who do things I disapprove of, especially such common sins like adultery and fornication.

Like I said, and I said it again, LGBQT are not special snowflakes. But there is no other group of sinners seeking approval for the sins they commit. We do not have idol worshippers, adulterers, thieves and murderers demanding that we approve of what they do. LGBTQ are the only group doing that.

You have no credentials that I don't have. I think you should tell your kids all about gay people and how your God made them just like he made everyone else.

Freak.

You don't even have a job do you?