Memorial Day Truth

[old navy]

Water boarding is cool!

And it isn't torture.

Have you tried it?

Do you believe it's "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.?"

My CPO initiation was more cruel and degrading than any waterboarding or sleep deprivation than any terrorist ever endured. We both endured it for the cause of freedom.

 

[Artevelde]

The second law of Artevelde: "The use of the word truth in the title of a posting increases the likelyhood that it will contain lies."

Please mention that to Dick, Dubya, and Rummie, when you see them at the Hague.

"The other day, eight members of the Bush Administration – including President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld – were found guilty of torture and other war crimes by an unofficial tribunal meeting in Malaysia.

"The story was played widely in parts of the world press, with reports that the judgment could lead the way to proceedings before the International Criminal Court in The Hague. It received almost no mention here in the United States."

On Memorial Day Weekend, America Reckons with Torture | Common Dreams

Ah, you are one of those supporters of stupid propaganda courts. Really a loser.

 

[georgephillip]

My and my buds waterboard for fun on slow days.

It shows.

"Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation..."

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SniperFire]

My and my buds waterboard for fun on slow days.

It shows.

"Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation..."

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nah, that was written by a weepy lefty dweeb such as yourself.

All it hurts is the ego of your terrorist buddies.

 

[Caroljo]

This is a different kind of war....it takes different measures.

And if you think there wasn't torture by Americans in other wars...then you're just naive.

Yeah, and you're naive to think that there wasn't rape of women by Americans in other wars. I'm not sure what your point is.

He said "After 9/11 Americans began to torture people"...My point was that this has been going on for years and years...war after war. NOT just at after 9/11...

 

[georgephillip]

This is a different kind of war....it takes different measures.

And if you think there wasn't torture by Americans in other wars...then you're just naive.

"After the Spanish American War of 1898 in the Philippines, the U.S. army used waterboarding, called the 'water cure' at the time. It is not clear where this practice came from; it probably was adopted from the Filipinos, who themselves adopted it from the Spanish.[105] Reports of 'cruelties' from soldiers stationed in the Philippines led to Senate hearings on U.S. activity there."

IMHO, this is just another war for empire that can't be fought without resorting to cruel, inhuman and degrading methods. It would stop tomorrow if the rich were required to risk their lives and the lives of their children first.

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pour a little water up their noses and they sing like a canary!

The only thing it hurts on your terrorists buddies is their pride.

Terrorists like TR?

"President Theodore Roosevelt privately rationalized the instances of 'mild torture, the water cure' but publicly called for efforts to 'prevent the occurrence of all such acts in the future.'

"In that effort, he ordered the court-martial of General Jacob H. Smith on the island of Samar, 'where some of the worst abuses had occurred.'

"When the court-martial found only that he had acted with excessive zeal, Roosevelt disregarded the verdict and had the General dismissed from the Army.[109]

"Roosevelt soon declared victory in the Philippines, and the public lost interest in 'what had, only months earlier, been alarming revelations.'"

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bucs90]

Well to paraphrase...

When you sacrifice principles in exchange for security, you'll end up with neither.

So you mean stealing, by threat of force, from others only to give it to someone else as a handout (on behalf of social security, or welfare security, etc) is wrong?

That would be taking from another to ensure some kind of security for another.

 

[bucs90]

Lets take the "torture" debate to an even closer-to-home example.

Each of you answer honestly.

Lets say the local Police Department has caught a person. And that person, along with another man, kidnapped your daughter. Their plan was to rape her for a week, then slowly kill her. Sick bastards, right? Well, they nabbed one of them on the 2nd day. The other guy? He's still out there, with your daughter, in an unknown abandoned building. Where? He wont say. His partner still has 5 days of fun left til they kill her.

What would you be willing to allow the cops to do to get that information? Beat him? Waterboard him? Deprive him of sleep and food? Threaten him?

Or would your morals say "NO, even though it may save my daughter, I cannot let the cops go beyond our principles. I'll take the sacrifice."

Of course not.

 

[Caroljo]

My and my buds waterboard for fun on slow days.

It shows.

"Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation..."

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My son has had it done to him twice...it's mandatory when training with SF. He said he was very "uncomfortable", and he could see how you would THINK your were going to die, especially if it's being done by the enemy....but he's no worse off because of it.

Actually i think we should do the same to them as they would do to us...and that's much worse than waterboarding!

 

[Vel]

Water boarding is cool!

And it isn't torture.

Have you tried it?

Do you believe it's "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.?"

What was cruel and inhuman was having hundreds of people have to decide whether they wanted to jump to their deaths or burn. I'm not going to cry because we poured water on someone's face or made them listen to music they didn't like.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

"Facing the truth is hard to do, especially the truth about ourselves.

"So Americans have been sorely pressed to come to terms with the fact that after 9/11 our government began to torture people, and did so in defiance of domestic and international law.

"Most of us haven’t come to terms with what that meant, or means today, but we must reckon with torture, the torture done in our name, allegedly for our safety.

"It’s no secret such cruelty occurred; it’s just the truth we’d rather not think about.

"But Memorial Day is a good time to make the effort.

On Memorial Day Weekend, America Reckons with Torture | Common Dreams

Recently the current president of Brazil who was imprisoned and tortured repeatedly by the military dictators who ruled her country for 25 years has commented on Brazil's commission investigating the dictatorship: "'We are not moved by revenge, hate or a desire to rewrite history. The need to know the full truth is what moves us.'"

"In other words, 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'"

The US did not torture anyone. Go ahead cite the law or laws we violated. Be specific. Ohh and foreign laws don't apply only US laws.

 

[georgephillip]

And it isn't torture.

Have you tried it?

Do you believe it's "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.?"

My CPO initiation was more cruel and degrading than any waterboarding or sleep deprivation than any terrorist ever endured. We both endured it for the cause of freedom.

Wall Street says, "Thanks, Slave."

How much will they have to pay you to murder American civilians?

 

[georgephillip]

My and my buds waterboard for fun on slow days.

It shows.

"Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation..."

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My son has had it done to him twice...it's mandatory when training with SF. He said he was very "uncomfortable", and he could see how you would THINK your were going to die, especially if it's being done by the enemy....but he's no worse off because of it.

Actually i think we should do the same to them as they would do to us...and that's much worse than waterboarding!

How many children have "they" murdered for money in Michigan?

 

[Valerie]

My and my buds waterboard for fun on slow days.

Don't be stupid.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/167005-a-conservatives-view-on-waterboarding.html#post3632006

 

[SniperFire]

My and my buds waterboard for fun on slow days.

Don't be stupid.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/167005-a-conservatives-view-on-waterboarding.html#post3632006

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIazhfGrN2U&feature=related]Fun With waterboarding.mpg - YouTube[/ame]

 

[WillowTree]

fuck georgephillip and the donkey he rode in on.

 

[usmcstinger]

"Facing the truth is hard to do, especially the truth about ourselves.

"So Americans have been sorely pressed to come to terms with the fact that after 9/11 our government began to torture people, and did so in defiance of domestic and international law.

"Most of us haven’t come to terms with what that meant, or means today, but we must reckon with torture, the torture done in our name, allegedly for our safety.

"It’s no secret such cruelty occurred; it’s just the truth we’d rather not think about.

"But Memorial Day is a good time to make the effort.

On Memorial Day Weekend, America Reckons with Torture | Common Dreams

Recently the current president of Brazil who was imprisoned and tortured repeatedly by the military dictators who ruled her country for 25 years has commented on Brazil's commission investigating the dictatorship: "'We are not moved by revenge, hate or a desire to rewrite history. The need to know the full truth is what moves us.'"

"In other words, 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'"

Memorial Day is the one day out of the year that we to remember and honor those who gave their lives for this country. Your complete lack of gratitude and respect for those brave men and women, shows you are nothing but human garbage!

 

[georgephillip]

"Facing the truth is hard to do, especially the truth about ourselves.

"So Americans have been sorely pressed to come to terms with the fact that after 9/11 our government began to torture people, and did so in defiance of domestic and international law.

"Most of us haven’t come to terms with what that meant, or means today, but we must reckon with torture, the torture done in our name, allegedly for our safety.

"It’s no secret such cruelty occurred; it’s just the truth we’d rather not think about.

"But Memorial Day is a good time to make the effort.

On Memorial Day Weekend, America Reckons with Torture | Common Dreams

Recently the current president of Brazil who was imprisoned and tortured repeatedly by the military dictators who ruled her country for 25 years has commented on Brazil's commission investigating the dictatorship: "'We are not moved by revenge, hate or a desire to rewrite history. The need to know the full truth is what moves us.'"

"In other words, 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'"

The US did not torture anyone. Go ahead cite the law or laws we violated. Be specific. Ohh and foreign laws don't apply only US laws.

"Earlier this month, lawyers for Mohammed al-Qahtani – the so-called '20th hijacker' who didn’t make it onto the planes — filed suit in New York federal court to make public what they described as 'extremely disturbing' videotapes of his interrogations.

"He was charged in 2008 with war crimes and murder, but the charges were dropped after the former convening authority for the Guantanamo military commissions, Susan Crawford, told journalist Bob Woodward that al-Qahtani’s treatment 'met the legal definition of torture.'”

"He remains in indefinite detention..."

On Memorial Day Weekend, America Reckons with Torture | Common Dreams

"The Legality of Torture

"The Convention against Torture isn't the only document that forbids nations and individuals from practicing torture. In 1949, the Geneva Convention also outlawed acts of torture toward prisoners of war [source: United Nations].

"The United States specifically outlaws any U.S. citizen from practicing torture in Title 18 of the U.S. legal code. Anyone who kills another person through torture can face the penalty of death [source: Cornell University].

"The Army Field Manual allows some methods of interrogation -- like attacking a detainee's pride -- but outlaws mental and physical torture and inhumane treatment, such as threats and beatings [source: PBS]..."

HowStuffWorks "The Legality of Torture"

The US has been torturing innocent human beings for as long as it's been in existence.
Ask Wall Street why that's necessary.

 

[georgephillip]

We are fighting against scumbags
who consider it an act of glory to blow
up women and children who are just out
and about living their lives.
These killers are people that the likes of Bill Maher
and some Libs respect I'm sure but I'm not one of them.
These terrorists don't engage in military code of honor.

I say fuck em....

This from Bill Maher...

We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly.”

So you think those who "pilot" the drones killing innocent Muslim civilians are heroic?

How about the pilots who targeted water treatment plants near Baghdad in "91?

"These results provide strong evidence that the Gulf war and trade sanctions caused a threefold increase in mortality among Iraqi children under five years of age. We estimate that an excess of more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991. (N Engl J Med 1992;327:931–6.)"

MMS: Error

 

[georgephillip]

Whatever it takes to keep us as safe as possible.
If extreme measures are needed so be it.
You Libs wanna feel sorry for the terrorists
take a moment and go on the internet and do a search on Daniel Pearl.

"Pearl was kidnapped while working as the South Asia Bureau Chief of The Wall Street Journal, based in Mumbai, India. He had gone to Pakistan as part of an investigation into the alleged links between Richard Reid (the 'shoe bomber') and Al-Qaeda. He was subsequently beheaded by his captors."

Do you see the connection between Wall $treet, torture, and beheadings?

Daniel Pearl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh lookie. A beheading apologist.

Do you believe everything Wall Street tells you?

Or maybe you're just another apologist for corporate murder?

"The armed forces of the United States of America have committed war crimes at certain times throughout their history.

"Most - but not all - contemporary war crimes are defined by the International Criminal Court (ICC), the Geneva Conventions, and the associated laws of war under international law.[1]

"War crimes can be prosecuted through the War Crimes Act of 1996 in the United States, but the US government does not accept the jurisdiction of the ICC over its military forces.[2]

"United States violations of the laws of war falling under the rubric of jus in bello are discussed in the present article, while US violations of jus ad bellum, such as crimes against peace or wars of aggression under the Nuremberg Principles, [3] are discussed elsewhere."

United States war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia