Memorial Day Truth

[georgephillip]

"Facing the truth is hard to do, especially the truth about ourselves.

"So Americans have been sorely pressed to come to terms with the fact that after 9/11 our government began to torture people, and did so in defiance of domestic and international law.

"Most of us haven’t come to terms with what that meant, or means today, but we must reckon with torture, the torture done in our name, allegedly for our safety.

"It’s no secret such cruelty occurred; it’s just the truth we’d rather not think about.

"But Memorial Day is a good time to make the effort.

On Memorial Day Weekend, America Reckons with Torture | Common Dreams

Recently the current president of Brazil who was imprisoned and tortured repeatedly by the military dictators who ruled her country for 25 years has commented on Brazil's commission investigating the dictatorship: "'We are not moved by revenge, hate or a desire to rewrite history. The need to know the full truth is what moves us.'"

"In other words, 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'"

 

[SniperFire]

Water boarding is cool!

 

[California Girl]

Water boarding is cool!

And it isn't torture.

 

[georgephillip]

Water boarding is cool!

Maybe Dick Cheney should try it?

 

[Caroljo]

This is a different kind of war....it takes different measures.

And if you think there wasn't torture by Americans in other wars...then you're just naive.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well to paraphrase...

When you sacrifice principles in exchange for security, you'll end up with neither.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is a different kind of war....it takes different measures.

And if you think there wasn't torture by Americans in other wars...then you're just naive.

Yeah, and you're naive to think that there wasn't rape of women by Americans in other wars. I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[Rozman]

Whatever it takes to keep us as safe as possible.
If extreme measures are needed so be it.
You Libs wanna feel sorry for the terrorists
take a moment and go on the internet and do a search on Daniel Pearl.

 

[georgephillip]

Water boarding is cool!

And it isn't torture.

Have you tried it?

Do you believe it's "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.?"

 

[SniperFire]

Well to paraphrase...

When you sacrifice principles in exchange for security, you'll end up with neither.

I have another cute saying for you.

All's fair in love and war.

 

[Artevelde]

The second law of Artevelde: "The use of the word truth in the title of a posting increases the likelyhood that it will contain lies."

 

[SniperFire]

My and my buds waterboard for fun on slow days.

 

[georgephillip]

This is a different kind of war....it takes different measures.

And if you think there wasn't torture by Americans in other wars...then you're just naive.

"After the Spanish American War of 1898 in the Philippines, the U.S. army used waterboarding, called the 'water cure' at the time. It is not clear where this practice came from; it probably was adopted from the Filipinos, who themselves adopted it from the Spanish.[105] Reports of 'cruelties' from soldiers stationed in the Philippines led to Senate hearings on U.S. activity there."

IMHO, this is just another war for empire that can't be fought without resorting to cruel, inhuman and degrading methods. It would stop tomorrow if the rich were required to risk their lives and the lives of their children first.

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SniperFire]

This is a different kind of war....it takes different measures.

And if you think there wasn't torture by Americans in other wars...then you're just naive.

"After the Spanish American War of 1898 in the Philippines, the U.S. army used waterboarding, called the 'water cure' at the time. It is not clear where this practice came from; it probably was adopted from the Filipinos, who themselves adopted it from the Spanish.[105] Reports of 'cruelties' from soldiers stationed in the Philippines led to Senate hearings on U.S. activity there."

IMHO, this is just another war for empire that can't be fought without resorting to cruel, inhuman and degrading methods. It would stop tomorrow if the rich were required to risk their lives and the lives of their children first.

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pour a little water up their noses and they sing like a canary!

The only thing it hurts on your terrorists buddies is their pride.

 

[georgephillip]

Well to paraphrase...

When you sacrifice principles in exchange for security, you'll end up with neither.

"You may also have seen the flurry of action this month around a section of the new National Defense Authorization Act that allows the military to detain indefinitely not only members of al Qaeda, the Taliban and 'associated forces' but anyone who has 'substantially supported' them.

"A federal court struck down that provision in response to journalists and advocates who believe it could be so broadly interpreted it would violate civil liberties. Nonetheless, two days after the court’s decision, the House of Representatives reaffirmed the original provision."

Someone needs to tell the House of Representatives their campaign donations are jeopardizing US security and principles.

On Memorial Day Weekend, America Reckons with Torture | Common Dreams

 

[Rozman]

We are fighting against scumbags
who consider it an act of glory to blow
up women and children who are just out
and about living their lives.
These killers are people that the likes of Bill Maher
and some Libs respect I'm sure but I'm not one of them.
These terrorists don't engage in military code of honor.

I say fuck em....

This from Bill Maher...

We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly.”

 

[georgephillip]

Whatever it takes to keep us as safe as possible.
If extreme measures are needed so be it.
You Libs wanna feel sorry for the terrorists
take a moment and go on the internet and do a search on Daniel Pearl.

"Pearl was kidnapped while working as the South Asia Bureau Chief of The Wall Street Journal, based in Mumbai, India. He had gone to Pakistan as part of an investigation into the alleged links between Richard Reid (the 'shoe bomber') and Al-Qaeda. He was subsequently beheaded by his captors."

Do you see the connection between Wall $treet, torture, and beheadings?

Daniel Pearl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SniperFire]

Whatever it takes to keep us as safe as possible.
If extreme measures are needed so be it.
You Libs wanna feel sorry for the terrorists
take a moment and go on the internet and do a search on Daniel Pearl.

"Pearl was kidnapped while working as the South Asia Bureau Chief of The Wall Street Journal, based in Mumbai, India. He had gone to Pakistan as part of an investigation into the alleged links between Richard Reid (the 'shoe bomber') and Al-Qaeda. He was subsequently beheaded by his captors."

Do you see the connection between Wall $treet, torture, and beheadings?

Daniel Pearl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh lookie. A beheading apologist.

 

[old navy]

"Facing the truth is hard to do, especially the truth about ourselves.

"So Americans have been sorely pressed to come to terms with the fact that after 9/11 our government began to torture people, and did so in defiance of domestic and international law.

"Most of us haven’t come to terms with what that meant, or means today, but we must reckon with torture, the torture done in our name, allegedly for our safety.

"It’s no secret such cruelty occurred; it’s just the truth we’d rather not think about.

"But Memorial Day is a good time to make the effort.

On Memorial Day Weekend, America Reckons with Torture | Common Dreams

Recently the current president of Brazil who was imprisoned and tortured repeatedly by the military dictators who ruled her country for 25 years has commented on Brazil's commission investigating the dictatorship: "'We are not moved by revenge, hate or a desire to rewrite history. The need to know the full truth is what moves us.'"

"In other words, 'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'"

Interjecting a few minutes of discomfort in terrorists to our annual rememberance of those who died in the cause of freedom is as low-down and wrong as it gets.

You are truly fucked up.

 

[georgephillip]

The second law of Artevelde: "The use of the word truth in the title of a posting increases the likelyhood that it will contain lies."

Please mention that to Dick, Dubya, and Rummie, when you see them at the Hague.

"The other day, eight members of the Bush Administration – including President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld – were found guilty of torture and other war crimes by an unofficial tribunal meeting in Malaysia.

"The story was played widely in parts of the world press, with reports that the judgment could lead the way to proceedings before the International Criminal Court in The Hague. It received almost no mention here in the United States."

On Memorial Day Weekend, America Reckons with Torture | Common Dreams