Media Matters and free speech.

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Picture yourself working with a person who sees the world differently than you do. That person may not agree with you on political issues. So what do you do? Do you go to the management of the company and try get to them to fire this person for exercising his or her right to free speech? Maybe you feel so strongly about the veracity of your positions that you threaten the leadership of your company by publicly smearing the reputations of firms that do business with them in order to injure the profit margins of your employer. Because you see free speech as so dangerous to your worldview, you feel justified in attempting to take away the livelihood of a person who uses it. For the time being that probably wouldn’t result in a good outcome for you.


The time being, like free speech, is never a fixture in any society. It is transitory in nature and vulnerable to the winds of change and sometimes that change is an ill wind that blows no good. Such is the case with Media Matters for America, a left-leaning media giant that describes itself as a “watchdog” for conservative falsehoods. Americans have learned to be leery of groups that purport to be watchdogs because fascist history demonstrates that watchdogs turn into attack dogs as soon as their speech is rejected in favor of any other speech.


When their agenda fails they feel righteously vindicated in crossing any line necessary to salvage and propagate that agenda. Media Matters for America, like the southern Poverty Law Center and the National Organization for Women, presents itself as a representative of people who never elected them for representation. They are essentially crusaders for an ideology that does not recognize free speech in an individual sense only in a group sense.


So as crusaders for groups that didn’t elect them they feel empowered to label individuals who do exercise free speech as threats to groups they have commandeered to speak for. They were able to take away Bill O’Reilly’s job at Fox news by holding his advertisers as hostages and calling for boycotts. They are using the same strategy to try to silence Sean Hannity.


When you go to work tomorrow and you are called to the personnel office with news that your employment has been terminated because another employee threatened the bottom line. Thank Media Matters.
 
Picture yourself working with a person who sees the world differently than you do. That person may not agree with you on political issues. So what do you do? Do you go to the management of the company and try get to them to fire this person for exercising his or her right to free speech? Maybe you feel so strongly about the veracity of your positions that you threaten the leadership of your company by publicly smearing the reputations of firms that do business with them in order to injure the profit margins of your employer. Because you see free speech as so dangerous to your worldview, you feel justified in attempting to take away the livelihood of a person who uses it. For the time being that probably wouldn’t result in a good outcome for you.


The time being, like free speech, is never a fixture in any society. It is transitory in nature and vulnerable to the winds of change and sometimes that change is an ill wind that blows no good. Such is the case with Media Matters for America, a left-leaning media giant that describes itself as a “watchdog” for conservative falsehoods. Americans have learned to be leery of groups that purport to be watchdogs because fascist history demonstrates that watchdogs turn into attack dogs as soon as their speech is rejected in favor of any other speech.


When their agenda fails they feel righteously vindicated in crossing any line necessary to salvage and propagate that agenda. Media Matters for America, like the southern Poverty Law Center and the National Organization for Women, presents itself as a representative of people who never elected them for representation. They are essentially crusaders for an ideology that does not recognize free speech in an individual sense only in a group sense.


So as crusaders for groups that didn’t elect them they feel empowered to label individuals who do exercise free speech as threats to groups they have commandeered to speak for. They were able to take away Bill O’Reilly’s job at Fox news by holding his advertisers as hostages and calling for boycotts. They are using the same strategy to try to silence Sean Hannity.


When you go to work tomorrow and you are called to the personnel office with news that your employment has been terminated because another employee threatened the bottom line. Thank Media Matters.

I fail to understand how they can define themselves as a "watchdog". Is this a government sponsored and sanctioned organization? Do they have special or legal powers to enforce? What is it exactly they are the watchdog of? Free speech?

Many questions, few answers. I would like to see their financials though and I'm sure there would be some answers gleaned...
 
AWWW you poor poor snowflakes.

They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.
 
They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.
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They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.

So, they are just provocateurs funded by those wishing to destroy Hannitys speech on the air. All under a premise to support free speech?

Again, access to their financial statements would answer a great deal about how this organization is funded.
 
They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.

So, they are just provocateurs funded by those wishing to destroy Hannitys speech on the air. All under a premise to support free speech?

Again, access to their financial statements would answer a great deal about how this organization is funded.

Access to their finances?

Ok...as soon as you nighties agree to Media Matters accessing Hannity's and Trump's financial records.

Full transparency and all :rolleyes:

Hannity's free speech is NOT AT ALL hindered by the freedom of companies to not associate themselves with him. He runs a FOR PROFIT political entertainment show.

And "just provocateurs" is just another load of rightwing fantasy Media Matters would have no problem factually disputing.
 
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They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.

So, they are just provocateurs funded by those wishing to destroy Hannitys speech on the air. All under a premise to support free speech?

Again, access to their financial statements would answer a great deal about how this organization is funded.

Access to their finances?

Ok...as soon as you nighties agree to Media Matters accessing Hannity's and Trump's financial records.

Full transparency and all :rolleyes:

Hannity's free speech is NOT AT ALL hindered by the freedom of companies to not associate themselves with him. He runs a FOR PROFIT political entertainment show.

And "just provocateurs" is just another load of rightwing fantasy Media Matters would have no problem factually disputing.
these days that label applies to just about any and all in the media. we've gotten so far from news and too close to appeasement people are going to be confused for a long time to come that how they *feel* is right, even if wrong.
 
They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.

So, they are just provocateurs funded by those wishing to destroy Hannitys speech on the air. All under a premise to support free speech?

Again, access to their financial statements would answer a great deal about how this organization is funded.

Access to their finances?

Ok...as soon as you nighties agree to Media Matters accessing Hannity's and Trump's financial records.

Full transparency and all :rolleyes:

Hannity's free speech is NOT AT ALL hindered by the freedom of companies to not associate themselves with him. He runs a FOR PROFIT political entertainment show.

And "just provocateurs" is just another load of rightwing fantasy Media Matters would have no problem factually disputing.
these days that label applies to just about any and all in the media. we've gotten so far from news and too close to appeasement people are going to be confused for a long time to come that how they *feel* is right, even if wrong.

No it doesn't. Big difference between journalists and opinion piece entertainers is RESPONSIBILITY.

When Hannity gets caught knowingly peddling ridiculous conspiracy theories to carry water for Trump (see here) there are no consequences, not for him, not for FOX execs.

When CBS did Bush's service documents story and then underlying documents were found to not be properly authenticated here is what happened:

CBS terminated Mary Mapes and demanded the resignations of 60 Minutes Wednesday Executive Producer Josh Howard and Howard's top deputy, Senior Broadcast Producer Mary Murphy, as well as Senior Vice President Betsy West, who had been in charge of all prime time newscasts. Murphy and West resigned on February 25, 2005,[115] and after settling a legal dispute regarding his level of responsibility for the segment, Josh Howard resigned on March 25, 2005.[116]

Dan Rather also resigned.

Killian documents controversy - Wikipedia
 
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They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.
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what is your point retard?

I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.
I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.

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Picture yourself working with a person who sees the world differently than you do. That person may not agree with you on political issues. So what do you do? Do you go to the management of the company and try get to them to fire this person for exercising his or her right to free speech? Maybe you feel so strongly about the veracity of your positions that you threaten the leadership of your company by publicly smearing the reputations of firms that do business with them in order to injure the profit margins of your employer. Because you see free speech as so dangerous to your worldview, you feel justified in attempting to take away the livelihood of a person who uses it. For the time being that probably wouldn’t result in a good outcome for you.


The time being, like free speech, is never a fixture in any society. It is transitory in nature and vulnerable to the winds of change and sometimes that change is an ill wind that blows no good. Such is the case with Media Matters for America, a left-leaning media giant that describes itself as a “watchdog” for conservative falsehoods. Americans have learned to be leery of groups that purport to be watchdogs because fascist history demonstrates that watchdogs turn into attack dogs as soon as their speech is rejected in favor of any other speech.


When their agenda fails they feel righteously vindicated in crossing any line necessary to salvage and propagate that agenda. Media Matters for America, like the southern Poverty Law Center and the National Organization for Women, presents itself as a representative of people who never elected them for representation. They are essentially crusaders for an ideology that does not recognize free speech in an individual sense only in a group sense.


So as crusaders for groups that didn’t elect them they feel empowered to label individuals who do exercise free speech as threats to groups they have commandeered to speak for. They were able to take away Bill O’Reilly’s job at Fox news by holding his advertisers as hostages and calling for boycotts. They are using the same strategy to try to silence Sean Hannity.


When you go to work tomorrow and you are called to the personnel office with news that your employment has been terminated because another employee threatened the bottom line. Thank Media Matters.

I fail to understand how they can define themselves as a "watchdog".

Why not?

Is this a government sponsored and sanctioned organization? Do they have special or legal powers to enforce?

No.

What is it exactly they are the watchdog of? Free speech?

"Media accuracy"

Many questions, few answers. I would like to see their financials though and I'm sure there would be some answers gleaned...

A 30 second Google search would have answered all of those questions for you.
 
They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.
View attachment 161464

what is your point retard?

I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.
I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.

200.gif


Thats it? That's your 2 cents?

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They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.
View attachment 161464

what is your point retard?

I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.
I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.

200.gif


Thats it? That's your 2 cents?

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all your opinion is worth
 
They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.
View attachment 161464

what is your point retard?

I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.
I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.

200.gif


Thats it? That's your 2 cents?

giphy.gif
all your opinion is worth

Your GIF opinion is golden though, thanks for stopping by and posting NOTHING about topic asshole.
 
They are a lefty watchdog organization like many other righty organizations.

Don't like their free speech? Tough shit, welcome to Constitutional democracy.
View attachment 161464

what is your point retard?

I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.
I fully support this lunatic's freedom to stand there and broadcast his crazy to the world.

200.gif


Thats it? That's your 2 cents?

giphy.gif
Shame the left hate free speech.
 
Kind of interesting how people define freedom of speech and expression. Colin Kaepernick and NFL players take a knee during the national anthem that is freedom of speech and or expression and the right to protest however those who use their freedom of speech to protest the players actions are labeled racist. As for Media Matters when you go from highlighting what you see as lies to trying to take people off the air you are no longer a watchdog group but wannabe fascist who don’t want any views you don’t like being expressed. Look at Media Matters and the conservative Media Research Center the MRC looks for bias in the media on how they cover Democrats and Republicans but to the best of my knowledge have never called for boycotts of shows sponsors or tried to get anyone fired big difference from Media Matters.
 
Kind of interesting how people define freedom of speech and expression. Colin Kaepernick and NFL players take a knee during the national anthem that is freedom of speech and or expression and the right to protest however those who use their freedom of speech to protest the players actions are labeled racist. As for Media Matters when you go from highlighting what you see as lies to trying to take people off the air you are no longer a watchdog group but wannabe fascist who don’t want any views you don’t like being expressed. Look at Media Matters and the conservative Media Research Center the MRC looks for bias in the media on how they cover Democrats and Republicans but to the best of my knowledge have never called for boycotts of shows sponsors or tried to get anyone fired big difference from Media Matters.

MRC’s Brent Bozell Lambastes NFL Protests, Encourages Nationwide Boycott on October 1
 
Kind of interesting how people define freedom of speech and expression. Colin Kaepernick and NFL players take a knee during the national anthem that is freedom of speech and or expression and the right to protest however those who use their freedom of speech to protest the players actions are labeled racist. As for Media Matters when you go from highlighting what you see as lies to trying to take people off the air you are no longer a watchdog group but wannabe fascist who don’t want any views you don’t like being expressed. Look at Media Matters and the conservative Media Research Center the MRC looks for bias in the media on how they cover Democrats and Republicans but to the best of my knowledge have never called for boycotts of shows sponsors or tried to get anyone fired big difference from Media Matters.

You are a racist.

I have the freedom of speech to call you that for any reason at all.

Not very complicated.
 
Kind of interesting how people define freedom of speech and expression. Colin Kaepernick and NFL players take a knee during the national anthem that is freedom of speech and or expression and the right to protest however those who use their freedom of speech to protest the players actions are labeled racist. As for Media Matters when you go from highlighting what you see as lies to trying to take people off the air you are no longer a watchdog group but wannabe fascist who don’t want any views you don’t like being expressed. Look at Media Matters and the conservative Media Research Center the MRC looks for bias in the media on how they cover Democrats and Republicans but to the best of my knowledge have never called for boycotts of shows sponsors or tried to get anyone fired big difference from Media Matters.

MRC’s Brent Bozell Lambastes NFL Protests, Encourages Nationwide Boycott on October 1
Ok he ask for a one week boycott not a season long one to make a point and he didn’t call for anyone to fired. If that was what Media Matters did I would be fine with that as well.
 

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