Mechanism argues against the intelligent design concept of "irreducible complexity"

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    Evolution

    "It's counterintuitive but simple: complexity increased because protein functions were lost, not gained," Thornton said. "Just as in society, complexity increases when individuals and institutions forget how to be generalists and come to depend on specialists with increasingly narrow capacities."

    Thornton proposes that the accumulation of simple, degenerative changes over long periods of times could have created many of the complex molecular machines present in organisms today. Such a mechanism argues against the intelligent design concept of "irreducible complexity," the claim that molecular machines are too complicated to have formed stepwise through evolution.

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    They are saying that as a creature "specialize", they lose function. That's specialization is actually "focused" and not newly developed. Exactly the opposite of what right wingers believe is evolution and proves how "magical creation" or "intelligent design" doesn't happen.
     
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    "Proposes" and "Could Have" can be replaced with "Conjecture" and "Belief". Sounds like a Religion.

    As a kid instead of Science Fairs, you went to Science Fails right? :D
     
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    Ooo, Scientists are "saying it"! That's the same as "incontrovertible proof"! :cuckoo:
     
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    Better proof than the shit one gets from the holy roller pulpits.

    The 'intelligent design' proposal is dead in the water for anyone with even a modicum of intelligence. Most of its 'proofs' were shown to be false before the first publication of the idea. Just another attempt to put religion in the science classroom.
     
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    Actually, no, it sounds like science. Science recognizes that nothing can be known with 100% certainty, and so never claims anything with 100% certainty. Cautious language like that is de rigeur.

    Religion, instead, would take that (or a much larger) gap in our certain knowledge, fill it in with something allegedly written by God on a stone tablet, or dictated by an angel, or some such, and say, "This is the TRUTH because GOD SAYS SO!"

    So this definitely does NOT sound like religion.
     
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    You don't really know much about science, do you?
     
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    I'm a right winger, and I don't believe in intelligent design, so your theory is bullshit from the get go.


     
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    The words in my sig-line were written 2,000 years before the Big-bang was theorized.
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    There is absolutely nothing in the entire universe, no event in all of history, no natural law you can point to and say, "This is proof there is no God."
     
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    no one is required to prove a negative.

    there is no proof of G-d either. It is faith-based. That's fine to have faith. But pretending it isn't "faith" and is, instead, fact, is dishonest.
     

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