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I expect my CiC to be thoroughly informed about a theater where our finest are in harm's way 24/7. I cannot reasonable imagine that my Commander in Chief is thoroughly informed abpout a theater if he does not confer with that theater's commander. Thus, he is negligent in being thoroughly or even adequately, informed.Without the input of the command, he has been negligent in being thoroughly informed. Seriously, there is little excuse for this.And you HONESTLY believe that Obama has not kept abreast of what is going on in Afghanistan? Honestly?
And you are basing your allegations of "negligence" against the President of the United States on WHAT, specifically?
Don't post stupid shit boy, all it does is make you look like a fool.Not to rain on the parade of a nice rant, but Truman fucked that up roayaly, insured that Korea would be a stalemate and set the pattern for years of stagnent attrition warfare.
MacArthur was trying to win.
What, Xenophon the military-con, you would have had us engaging in a land war in China?
Xeno, the bad guys moved a quarter million troops in the dead of winter through the mountains, without our military intelligence really catching what was going on and MacArthur unwilling to listen to anything different than he was thinking. Then the bad guys kicked us in the balls, head slapped us, and drove us south beyond Seoul again. My father got his 3rd Purple Heart on the retreat from the Chosen reservoir to the east coast.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Its clear you have no idea what you are talking about here, first Truman should not have committed US forces to 'UN' operations, after making that error he didn't try to win the war.
You are defending Truman means either you have zero clue about the Korean war or are just being obtuse.
Now tell us, since you say I don't know what i am talking about, what was MacArthur's plan for victory in Korea.
Never mind, I will tell you, Mac wanted to send aireal strikes at staging areas North of the Yalu river and destroy Chinese communications, using nukes if conventional bombs failed.
This would have worked, mao had ONE army, the one he used in Korea which was fresh off kicking Chiang Kai Shek's ass to taiwan.
If they lost that army it meant conscripts and ineffectivness.
Going to waste my time some more now?
Gen. Stanley McChrystal says he's talked to President Obama only once since taking command of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan over the summer, a revelation that drew swift criticism from some who are concerned that the president is putting off McChrystal's request for more troops.
"It's startling," Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., told FOX News.
McChrystal talked about his interaction with the president in an interview with CBS News.
"I've talked to the president since I've been here once on a (video teleconference)," he said.
"You talked to him once in 70 days?" CBS' David Martin asked.
"That's correct," McChrystal said.
McChrystal, who warned in a recent assessment of the war in Afghanistan that the United States risks failure without more troops, submitted a request for more resources on Friday.
But the White House says it will review the overall strategy in Afghanistan before addressing troop levels.
The disclosure that the president and his top Afghanistan commander have spoken just once added to concerns that the administration is waiting too long to deal with the troop level issue.
Gregg said that former President George W. Bush spoke with his then-top Iraq commander, Gen. David Petraeus, on a regular basis. He said that while Obama may be speaking regularly with Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Petraeus, who is now head of Central Command, the president should still keep in regular contact with McChrystal.
"I would think you'd want to hear one-on-one from your field commander more than once in six months," he said.
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, with the Center for Advanced Defense Studies, said he found it "extraordinarily surprising" that McChrystal, once in regular contact with former Vice President Dick Cheney, has talked to Obama only once since taking command.
"It's not really a good sign," he said.
But White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday that Obama is trying to be very deliberative in assessing the strategy going forward in Afghanistan, and he urged patience.
"I assume that any decision is a number of weeks away," Gibbs said. He said it can be detrimental to put resource decisions ahead of strategy decisions.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, said McChrystal's assessment needs to be seen as part of a broader strategy.
"It doesn't stand alone. It is part of a process," she said. "There's other input that's coming throughout the government that the president will take on board. But I think we ought to look at it in context."
McChrystal Says He's Talked With Obama Once Since Taking Afghanistan Command - Political News - FOXNews.com
Is anyone really surprised? He is a terrible leader, his single largest accomplishment is Cash for Clunkers, LMAO!!!!
When Health Care Reform fails, he will be a lame duck in less than 12 months, he is the most naive POTUS we have ever had!!!!
How do 69,000,000 voters feel after they elected this failure?
the 'mission' was a waste of time from day one.Hey, doesn't the general watch Letterman?
Barry said he will soon ask 'tough questions' on Afghanistan....probaly to oprah.
The Question may be is the "Mission" (whatever that may be now) salvageable and at what cost?
Source for the MacArthur information, please.So what's the big deal?
Truman only meet MacArthur ONCE during the Korean War
With all of the video conferencing equipment available for meetings.
Why would they need personal face to face contact?
I expect my CiC to be thoroughly informed about a theater where our finest are in harm's way 24/7. I cannot reasonable imagine that my Commander in Chief is thoroughly informed abpout a theater if he does not confer with that theater's commander. Thus, he is negligent in being thoroughly or even adequately, informed.Without the input of the command, he has been negligent in being thoroughly informed. Seriously, there is little excuse for this.
And you are basing your allegations of "negligence" against the President of the United States on WHAT, specifically?
This is a simple management concept.
Thanks! Sunni Man sent me the info, too. I appreciate it from both of you.Source for the MacArthur information, please.So what's the big deal?
Truman only meet MacArthur ONCE during the Korean War
With all of the video conferencing equipment available for meetings.
Why would they need personal face to face contact?
it's very well documented. truman dismissed macarthur soon thereafter.
Truman Library Wake Island
Is anyone really surprised? He is a terrible leader, his single largest accomplishment is Cash for Clunkers, LMAO!!!!
When Health Care Reform fails, he will be a lame duck in less than 12 months, he is the most naive POTUS we have ever had!!!!
How do 69,000,000 voters feel after they elected this failure?
clearly, you have never been in uniform. The president talks to the Secretary of Defense.... The SECDEF talks to the generals. I don't WANT my president bypassing the chain of command.... clearly, you do.
LOL. Actually, I have a really good idea about that around these parts.I expect my CiC to be thoroughly informed about a theater where our finest are in harm's way 24/7. I cannot reasonable imagine that my Commander in Chief is thoroughly informed abpout a theater if he does not confer with that theater's commander. Thus, he is negligent in being thoroughly or even adequately, informed.And you are basing your allegations of "negligence" against the President of the United States on WHAT, specifically?
This is a simple management concept.
You are a smart guy. Perhaps you don't understand exactly how the chain of command works?
The Al Qaeda camps were destroyed before a single US soldier set foot there.the 'mission' was a waste of time from day one.The Question may be is the "Mission" (whatever that may be now) salvageable and at what cost?
Originally I think not, now though your comment is spot on.
Although I would also add the useless sacrifice of our soldiers and the economic damage it has done to this country.
Thanks! Sunni Man sent me the info, too. I appreciate it from both of you.Source for the MacArthur information, please.
it's very well documented. truman dismissed macarthur soon thereafter.
Truman Library Wake Island
He didn't want to 'throw them around' he wanted to use them tactically against military staging areas and bases, not against Chinese population centers.Don't post stupid shit boy, all it does is make you look like a fool.What, Xenophon the military-con, you would have had us engaging in a land war in China?
Xeno, the bad guys moved a quarter million troops in the dead of winter through the mountains, without our military intelligence really catching what was going on and MacArthur unwilling to listen to anything different than he was thinking. Then the bad guys kicked us in the balls, head slapped us, and drove us south beyond Seoul again. My father got his 3rd Purple Heart on the retreat from the Chosen reservoir to the east coast.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Its clear you have no idea what you are talking about here, first Truman should not have committed US forces to 'UN' operations, after making that error he didn't try to win the war.
You are defending Truman means either you have zero clue about the Korean war or are just being obtuse.
Now tell us, since you say I don't know what i am talking about, what was MacArthur's plan for victory in Korea.
Never mind, I will tell you, Mac wanted to send aireal strikes at staging areas North of the Yalu river and destroy Chinese communications, using nukes if conventional bombs failed.
This would have worked, mao had ONE army, the one he used in Korea which was fresh off kicking Chiang Kai Shek's ass to taiwan.
If they lost that army it meant conscripts and ineffectivness.
Going to waste my time some more now?
do you really believe nukes would have solved it?
Bare in mind that i think the bombing in japan was a good idea, but throwing around nukes as MacArthur wanted to doesn't seem like a good idea.
sorry, but we dont live in "starship troopers" zone, having served in the military doesnt give you any more rights to speakrelevance?Just asking....WHAT military experience do you have ?
Just trying to gauge what experience has led this poster to question the way in which he THINKS Obama is dealing with his commanders in the field is all. Is that OK with you, DiveCon? You know how important it is for me to have your approval of my posts and all. They should make you a moderator or something.
fuck off moronrelevance?Just asking....WHAT military experience do you have ?
You are right, bingocon, that you have no relevance in this discussion. Scoot off.
Bullshit.si modo does not understand how a chain of command works.
Xenophon clearly does not understand the diplomacy of nuclear warfare. MacArthur's J2 (General Willoughby if I remember my reading correctly) had no idea about "staging areas" north of the Yalu. MacArthur wanted to reinstall Chang Kai Shek to the mainland, from whence he had been tossed the previous year. Our air power would not sufficed, and threatening nuclear war with an enemy when its ally, the USSR, had perfected nukes the year before, would have been absolute stupidity.
Yes, and he is supposed to be our commander in chief, remember, the tough talk on Afganistan before the election, " I will listen to my generals in the field." It does not appear that he is listening,instead he is playing politics with the lives of our soldiers over there.
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..........unemployment in the double digits and a growing nuclear threat in Iran and he's worried about the olymics in Chicago!!!
