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relevance?We've been sitting right here listening to you bitch every time President Bush took a breath. That's where we've been.
Just asking....WHAT military experience do you have ?
relevance?We've been sitting right here listening to you bitch every time President Bush took a breath. That's where we've been.
Just asking....WHAT military experience do you have ?
Hey, doesn't the general watch Letterman?
Barry said he will soon ask 'tough questions' on Afghanistan....probaly to oprah.
Not to rain on the parade of a nice rant, but Truman fucked that up roayaly, insured that Korea would be a stalemate and set the pattern for years of stagnent attrition warfare.Theatre commanders, since that fiasco of an American Caesar, Douglas MacArthur, in Korea 1950 - 1951, are tightly controlled by the chain of command. That means if the General talked to BHO in the last few weeks, I am very suprised. The commander will be asked for his evaluation, he will be given his orders, and then he will carry them out to the best of his ability or resign or be fired.
You armchair generals of the lunatic rightwing fringe are funny to read. You have no idea how the military chain of command in the American armed services works.
the 'mission' was a waste of time from day one.Hey, doesn't the general watch Letterman?
Barry said he will soon ask 'tough questions' on Afghanistan....probaly to oprah.
The Question may be is the "Mission" (whatever that may be now) salvagable and at what cost?
Not to rain on the parade of a nice rant, but Truman fucked that up roayaly, insured that Korea would be a stalemate and set the pattern for years of stagnent attrition warfare.Theatre commanders, since that fiasco of an American Caesar, Douglas MacArthur, in Korea 1950 - 1951, are tightly controlled by the chain of command. That means if the General talked to BHO in the last few weeks, I am very suprised. The commander will be asked for his evaluation, he will be given his orders, and then he will carry them out to the best of his ability or resign or be fired.
You armchair generals of the lunatic rightwing fringe are funny to read. You have no idea how the military chain of command in the American armed services works.
MacArthur was trying to win.
Hey, doesn't the general watch Letterman?
Barry said he will soon ask 'tough questions' on Afghanistan....probaly to oprah.
The Question may be is the "Mission" (whatever that may be now) salvagable and at what cost?
Hey, doesn't the general watch Letterman?
Barry said he will soon ask 'tough questions' on Afghanistan....probaly to oprah.
The Question may be is the "Mission" (whatever that may be now) salvagable and at what cost?
Communications are vital this is obvious. Yes, Obama might be micromanaging if he were to talk with the general every so often, but BHO is the commander in chief. which means he OVERVIEWS military operations, and the generals take care of the nitty gritty details of the actual management. But of course Obama cares about our soldiers, or he wouldn't be president.
as far as the Afghanistan, pulling out right now would embarrass everybody, especially the military, and correct me if i'm wrong but they don't like being embarrassed. We won't pull out until we find a really good excuse to pull out, or we actually succeed. Since we can't bank on a good excuse as far as planning, the only real solution is succeeding. So then you only have to decide on how to succeed, which might mean redefining our goals of being in Afghanistan in the first place.
I'm curious as to how either would happen without communication with the command.The Question may be is the "Mission" (whatever that may be now) salvagable and at what cost?
Communications are vital this is obvious. Yes, Obama might be micromanaging if he were to talk with the general every so often, but BHO is the commander in chief. which means he OVERVIEWS military operations, and the generals take care of the nitty gritty details of the actual management. But of course Obama cares about our soldiers, or he wouldn't be president.
as far as the Afghanistan, pulling out right now would embarrass everybody, especially the military, and correct me if i'm wrong but they don't like being embarrassed. We won't pull out until we find a really good excuse to pull out, or we actually succeed. Since we can't bank on a good excuse as far as planning, the only real solution is succeeding. So then you only have to decide on how to succeed, which might mean redefining our goals of being in Afghanistan in the first place.
The difference between finding a really good excuse, and redefining or finally defining our goals in Afghanistan, may be alot closer than you think.
That, PI2, is the only question. We must not let a zero-sum argument influence the discussion. What is amazing to me is the thinking over in Pakistan. If the bad guys get anywhere the Pakistani nukes, our administration (whether GOP or Dem) will demand that the nukes be turned over to us. I have no doubt that if the Pakis refuse that our administration will nuke the arsenals as a final resort.
I'm curious as to how either would happen without communication with the command.Communications are vital this is obvious. Yes, Obama might be micromanaging if he were to talk with the general every so often, but BHO is the commander in chief. which means he OVERVIEWS military operations, and the generals take care of the nitty gritty details of the actual management. But of course Obama cares about our soldiers, or he wouldn't be president.
as far as the Afghanistan, pulling out right now would embarrass everybody, especially the military, and correct me if i'm wrong but they don't like being embarrassed. We won't pull out until we find a really good excuse to pull out, or we actually succeed. Since we can't bank on a good excuse as far as planning, the only real solution is succeeding. So then you only have to decide on how to succeed, which might mean redefining our goals of being in Afghanistan in the first place.
The difference between finding a really good excuse, and redefining or finally defining our goals in Afghanistan, may be alot closer than you think.
Without the input of the command, he has been negligent in being thoroughly informed. Seriously, there is little excuse for this.I'm curious as to how either would happen without communication with the command.The difference between finding a really good excuse, and redefining or finally defining our goals in Afghanistan, may be alot closer than you think.
And you HONESTLY believe that Obama has not kept abreast of what is going on in Afghanistan? Honestly?
I'm curious as to how either would happen without communication with the command.Communications are vital this is obvious. Yes, Obama might be micromanaging if he were to talk with the general every so often, but BHO is the commander in chief. which means he OVERVIEWS military operations, and the generals take care of the nitty gritty details of the actual management. But of course Obama cares about our soldiers, or he wouldn't be president.
as far as the Afghanistan, pulling out right now would embarrass everybody, especially the military, and correct me if i'm wrong but they don't like being embarrassed. We won't pull out until we find a really good excuse to pull out, or we actually succeed. Since we can't bank on a good excuse as far as planning, the only real solution is succeeding. So then you only have to decide on how to succeed, which might mean redefining our goals of being in Afghanistan in the first place.
The difference between finding a really good excuse, and redefining or finally defining our goals in Afghanistan, may be alot closer than you think.
Without the input of the command, he has been negligent in being thoroughly informed. Seriously, there is little excuse for this.I'm curious as to how either would happen without communication with the command.
And you HONESTLY believe that Obama has not kept abreast of what is going on in Afghanistan? Honestly?
Don't post stupid shit boy, all it does is make you look like a fool.Not to rain on the parade of a nice rant, but Truman fucked that up roayaly, insured that Korea would be a stalemate and set the pattern for years of stagnent attrition warfare.Theatre commanders, since that fiasco of an American Caesar, Douglas MacArthur, in Korea 1950 - 1951, are tightly controlled by the chain of command. That means if the General talked to BHO in the last few weeks, I am very suprised. The commander will be asked for his evaluation, he will be given his orders, and then he will carry them out to the best of his ability or resign or be fired.
You armchair generals of the lunatic rightwing fringe are funny to read. You have no idea how the military chain of command in the American armed services works.
MacArthur was trying to win.
What, Xenophon the military-con, you would have had us engaging in a land war in China?
Xeno, the bad guys moved a quarter million troops in the dead of winter through the mountains, without our military intelligence really catching what was going on and MacArthur unwilling to listen to anything different than he was thinking. Then the bad guys kicked us in the balls, head slapped us, and drove us south beyond Seoul again. My father got his 3rd Purple Heart on the retreat from the Chosen reservoir to the east coast.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Gen. Stanley McChrystal says he's talked to President Obama only once since taking command of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan over the summer, a revelation that drew swift criticism from some who are concerned that the president is putting off McChrystal's request for more troops.
"It's startling," Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., told FOX News.
McChrystal talked about his interaction with the president in an interview with CBS News.
"I've talked to the president since I've been here once on a (video teleconference)," he said.
"You talked to him once in 70 days?" CBS' David Martin asked.
"That's correct," McChrystal said.
McChrystal, who warned in a recent assessment of the war in Afghanistan that the United States risks failure without more troops, submitted a request for more resources on Friday.
But the White House says it will review the overall strategy in Afghanistan before addressing troop levels.
The disclosure that the president and his top Afghanistan commander have spoken just once added to concerns that the administration is waiting too long to deal with the troop level issue.
Gregg said that former President George W. Bush spoke with his then-top Iraq commander, Gen. David Petraeus, on a regular basis. He said that while Obama may be speaking regularly with Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Petraeus, who is now head of Central Command, the president should still keep in regular contact with McChrystal.
"I would think you'd want to hear one-on-one from your field commander more than once in six months," he said.
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, with the Center for Advanced Defense Studies, said he found it "extraordinarily surprising" that McChrystal, once in regular contact with former Vice President Dick Cheney, has talked to Obama only once since taking command.
"It's not really a good sign," he said.
But White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday that Obama is trying to be very deliberative in assessing the strategy going forward in Afghanistan, and he urged patience.
"I assume that any decision is a number of weeks away," Gibbs said. He said it can be detrimental to put resource decisions ahead of strategy decisions.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, said McChrystal's assessment needs to be seen as part of a broader strategy.
"It doesn't stand alone. It is part of a process," she said. "There's other input that's coming throughout the government that the president will take on board. But I think we ought to look at it in context."
McChrystal Says He's Talked With Obama Once Since Taking Afghanistan Command - Political News - FOXNews.com
Without the input of the command, he has been negligent in being thoroughly informed. Seriously, there is little excuse for this.
