Maybe it is the scary looking gun

[Ame®icano]

Fine so do away with loopholes so only law-abiding people can buy them duh

Ok dupehole your so freakin smart, list 10 loopholes...

Damn, you beat me to it.

 

[Ame®icano]

Fine so do away with loopholes so only law-abiding people can buy them duh

Ok dupehole your so freakin smart, list 10 loopholes...

Private Sales at gun shows is plenty.

It's regulated by federal law.

Look at the private sale transfer form. Right at the top it explains what the federal law is, and just in case, the whole second page explains it in detail.

 

[francoHFW]

Or we could just let law abiding people buy a gun if they want to

Wait just a minute SP... That is just way to reasonable...

Fine so do away with loopholes so only law-abiding people can buy them duh

Loopholes. Loopholes. Loopholes.

Keep talking about loopholes, never provide any. How about you list five of them?

Already did. Gun show, military not providing the names, Trump just passed something that let's 75000 mental cases off the check. Etc etc just call them failings

 

[francoHFW]

Fine so do away with loopholes so only law-abiding people can buy them duh

Ok dupehole your so freakin smart, list 10 loopholes...

Private Sales at gun shows is plenty.

It's regulated by federal law.

Look at the private sale transfer form. Right at the top it explains what the federal law is, and just in case, the whole second page explains it in detail.

It's a loophole, Dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

Fine so do away with loopholes so only law-abiding people can buy them duh

Ok dupehole your so freakin smart, list 10 loopholes...

Damn, you beat me to it.

Christ. Is there a blackout on news on Republican propaganda Outlets? I'm stunned not. Brainwashed functional morons.

 

[2aguy]

What “sport” are they used for ?

You gun nerds failed to answer .

Sport.....3 gun competitions.....in particular, I could care less about sport, they are a self defense rifle.....

So the sport thing is BS . Let's be honest . The self defense is also BS. Way better options for that.

Nope.....each gun has a niche it fills....a small compact pistol or revolver for deep concealed carry......a small pistol or revolver for standard concealed carry.....home defense, an AR-15 or shot gun...the AR-15 has more advantages over the shotgun, especially if you are facing a long period of danger, like the aftermath of a natural disaster or a power outage...or a democrat riot where they are looting and burning a neighborhood....

More bulldhit from this moron. There is no need for an AR-15 type rifle other than a bunch of idiots getting their jollies.

True, there is no need for an AR 15.

There’s also no need to ban AR 15s.

The AR-15 is a good rifle for self defense...especially during natural disasters and when democrats are looting and rioting and burning neibhborhoods......the LA riots and the Ferguson riots show this...

 

[2aguy]

What “sport” are they used for ?

You gun nerds failed to answer .

Sport.....3 gun competitions.....in particular, I could care less about sport, they are a self defense rifle.....

So the sport thing is BS . Let's be honest . The self defense is also BS. Way better options for that.

Nope.....each gun has a niche it fills....a small compact pistol or revolver for deep concealed carry......a small pistol or revolver for standard concealed carry.....home defense, an AR-15 or shot gun...the AR-15 has more advantages over the shotgun, especially if you are facing a long period of danger, like the aftermath of a natural disaster or a power outage...or a democrat riot where they are looting and burning a neighborhood....

More bulldhit from this moron. There is no need for an AR-15 type rifle other than a bunch of idiots getting their jollies.

True, there is no need for an AR 15.

There’s also no need to ban AR 15s.

The AR-15 is no different from any other semi auto rifle.....and you may not need an AR-15, but others have a need for them.......

 

[2aguy]

We are banking on, depending on, the court continuing to have a majority conservative or Republican pro-gun members. I am merely expressing an opinion of what direction the court could or may go if the pro-gun majority is lost.

Purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to maintain a militia and armed population capable of challenging tyranny from the federal or other government or non-government entities, foreign and domestic.

No argument from me here. Maybe just a clarification.

The Second Amendment isn't to combat a tyrannical government, it's to repel the possibility of there being one. The founders had just fought a horrible and bloody war to establish their government, I don't think they wanted anybody fighting it.

The Second Amendment was the attempt to circumvent that possibility. The US government is not supposed to have a standing federal army in peacetime. It intended to replace a federal army by instead arming and training every able bodied American that did not object based upon religious reasons.

Every county of every state is supposed to have a militia, that in times of war would take command from its state militia which itself would be marshaled by the Commander in Chief in times of war, but only in times of war. The rest of the time the states would control their own regions with no federal oversight as long as the constitution was being upheld.

It was one of the most ambitious attempts at perpetuating true liberty in the history of mankind. Landed gentry deliberately ceded its power to the people. That is the true intent of the Second Amendment. No tyrant was ever intended to be able to exist in the USA.

But Americans forgot that responsibilities go along with rights, and now all they know is simplistic industry marketing, they do not understand the profound beauty of the Second Amendment. We let a federal military exist and get out of control and now it is much too big for democracy to wield. But why bother convincing them that their guns won't help?

They can't stop the MIC with guns, they can't stop the MIC at all. You can't stop something that has the option of taking everybody everywhere with it when it dies. That's true, sure. But disarming doesn't achieve anything either. All it would accomplish would be to ensure that America can never ever return to its intended path. It may balkanize some day and in doing so, find its way home. They need the guns.

My 2c.

We do have militias. they are called the National Guard

if the founders wanted the right to keep and bear arms to belong to the militia then they wouldn't have specifically stated "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" would they?

Nobody wants to ban guns. Do semi-automatic guns these days shoot faster than they used to? If so that should be limited, as well as the styling this OP is about. And of course bump stocks, conversion kits, and background check loopholes.

You lefties like to give Australian "assault weapon ban" as example that gun control works. The data shows that beside initial drop, now twenty years later, crime rate and murder rate is about the same as it was before the ban.

Nobody want's to ban guns? Not true. Take the same Australia as example. Just few days ago, Australia reclassified and banned Riverman bolt action rifles and ordered its owners to turn them in within 30 days. Reason... they look too "assaulty".

The Australian gun ban didn't even stop mass public shootings...that is another lie they tell......if you go to Timeline of Major Crimes in Australia, in Wikipedia, you will see about a dozen shootings, in public places that aren't mass public shootings only because the shooter didn't kill more people.....they had a gun, in a public space, and the Australian gun ban did not stop them from murdering people...

 

[2aguy]

Here Trigger...

Those Asians are pretty effective in everything they do.

Yea they are...

One Pennsylvania gunmaker's vision: An AR-15 for every American

Great idea. And since guns are constitutional right, government should provide one to every able bodied adult citizen.

As we saw with democrat Poll taxes.....which are unconstitutional...there should be no tax or fee in buying a gun...since ownership is a Right.

 

[2aguy]

I'm afraid you're missing the point.

My argument is that perhaps the very styling of the gun is what makes it more attractive as a weapon with which to commit a gun massacre.

If other weapons are just as effective in terms of rate of fire and lethality of round trajectory, why aren't those weapons used as often as the military style weapons?

If cultural aspects like video games and movies can bear blame, why not cultural aspects like the style of the weapon itself?

It seems that there are unfortunate people much more interested in protecting guns than protecting the public against lunatic gunmen.

no. people get your point.

it will just never fly, this banning a gun on the looks. it just seems you're out to take away the nasty looking gun and demonize the owners vs. understand the actual problem at hand.

tag. you're it.

The notion that nothing should be done because nothing is 100% effective is short sighted. The notion that nothing should be done because doing anything could make nconvienence someone who absolutely needs to get a gun today, not later this week betrays an intransigent attitude.

Surely we know that no single effort can be a panacea. Surely we have passed other laws that have never completely prevented the crime they were written to punish. And surely there are solutions to what we all must recognize as our uniquely American obsession with guns NSA and gun violence.

Can the gun lovers pitch in and help divine some answers?

And here is that same bullshit statement gun control advocates like to trow out even though it is blatantly false.

Not wanting to do anything is NOT the same as not wanting to enact more useless gun control measures that will accomplish nothing. Most people want solutions - the problem is that gun control is simply not a solution and there is noting to back up the vapid claims that it is.

Can you please then explain the disparity in the number and frequency of gun massacres in the United States and other industrialized western nations? What makes our nation more prone to gun violence? Our culture? Our preternatural tendency to be less mentally stable? Or our open and unfettered access to guns?

We’re an inherently violent culture; in America violence is sanctioned as a legitimate means of conflict resolution – from corporal punishment in our schools to capital punishment in our prisons, and in foreign affairs our propensity to resort to the use of military force.

There’s really nothing we can do about sanctioned violence in American culture, at least in the short-term; we can do better with regard to affording all Americans access to affordable healthcare – including mental health intervention and treatment, but the political will is not there.

Likewise, there’s no political will to restrict access to AR 15s, where doing so would be on shaky Constitutional grounds, given the fact that less than 2 percent of gun crime and violence are committed with long guns, the majority of such crimes being committed with handguns, and that school shootings have been on the decrease in recent years.

In order for government to restrict a fundamental right, it must have objective, documented evidence in support of doing so – and that evidence simply doesn’t exist to justify banning AR 15s.

As with other problems and issues we face, more government and more government regulation is not the answer – it’s not the answer with regard to drug and alcohol abuse, it’s not the answer with regard to unwanted pregnancies, and it’s not the answer to gun crime and violence.

Wrong.....you have local and state governments banning AR-15s and the 4th Circuit Court of appeals upheld Massachusetts stupid "assault" weapon ban......

 

[2aguy]

So the sport thing is BS . Let's be honest . The self defense is also BS. Way better options for that.

Nope.....each gun has a niche it fills....a small compact pistol or revolver for deep concealed carry......a small pistol or revolver for standard concealed carry.....home defense, an AR-15 or shot gun...the AR-15 has more advantages over the shotgun, especially if you are facing a long period of danger, like the aftermath of a natural disaster or a power outage...or a democrat riot where they are looting and burning a neighborhood....

More bulldhit from this moron. There is no need for an AR-15 type rifle other than a bunch of idiots getting their jollies.

True, there is no need for an AR 15.

There’s also no need to ban AR 15s.

Lol
Who are you to say one way or another you spineless motherfucker?
Firearm ownership is a personal thing, it’s none of your fucking business none of my business and certainly no no the federal government business. So shove your political correctness up your fucking ass…

So is abortion yet you fucking morons rant about that every fucking day.

So is to use drugs & to drink&drive. All personal choices.

What about that . Me, I'm not the chickenshit that is so afraid that they need to put their families at risk to own an assault type rifle.

There is no "Assault" type rifle......there are about 15 million semi auto rifles, about 8 million AR-15 civilian rifles....and cowardice has nothing to do with buying a rifle....protecting your family is not being a coward......

 

[2aguy]

The notion that nothing should be done because nothing is 100% effective is short sighted. The notion that nothing should be done because doing anything could make nconvienence someone who absolutely needs to get a gun today, not later this week betrays an intransigent attitude.

Surely we know that no single effort can be a panacea. Surely we have passed other laws that have never completely prevented the crime they were written to punish. And surely there are solutions to what we all must recognize as our uniquely American obsession with guns NSA and gun violence.

Can the gun lovers pitch in and help divine some answers?

And here is that same bullshit statement gun control advocates like to trow out even though it is blatantly false.

Not wanting to do anything is NOT the same as not wanting to enact more useless gun control measures that will accomplish nothing. Most people want solutions - the problem is that gun control is simply not a solution and there is noting to back up the vapid claims that it is.

Can you please then explain the disparity in the number and frequency of gun massacres in the United States and other industrialized western nations? What makes our nation more prone to gun violence? Our culture? Our preternatural tendency to be less mentally stable? Or our open and unfettered access to guns?

We’re an inherently violent culture; in America violence is sanctioned as a legitimate means of conflict resolution – from corporal punishment in our schools to capital punishment in our prisons, and in foreign affairs our propensity to resort to the use of military force.

There’s really nothing we can do about sanctioned violence in American culture, at least in the short-term; we can do better with regard to affording all Americans access to affordable healthcare – including mental health intervention and treatment, but the political will is not there.

Likewise, there’s no political will to restrict access to AR 15s, where doing so would be on shaky Constitutional grounds, given the fact that less than 2 percent of gun crime and violence are committed with long guns, the majority of such crimes being committed with handguns, and that school shootings have been on the decrease in recent years.

In order for government to restrict a fundamental right, it must have objective, documented evidence in support of doing so – and that evidence simply doesn’t exist to justify banning AR 15s.

As with other problems and issues we face, more government and more government regulation is not the answer – it’s not the answer with regard to drug and alcohol abuse, it’s not the answer with regard to unwanted pregnancies, and it’s not the answer to gun crime and violence.

It's not just Americans

People are violent
Always have been
Always will be

So let's hand out semi automatic rifles with 150 round magazines.

Yes...the bait and switch.....you call 150 round drum magazines high capacity to fool uninformed voters, and then when you asswipes create the legislation, you ban standard magazines.........

And As I posted before, there should be no sales tax on rifles and pistols and there shouldn't be a tax on ammo as well.....

 

[2aguy]

it's your concern, you tell us. can't ever speak for yourself can you? LOL

I think it's pretty obvious the psycho styling of of these weapons is very dangerous when a quarter of the country is mentally unhealthy.

yes it's the plastic that makes people kill

rifles with wood stocks don't make people kill like those black plastic ones do you know

When the plastic ones look like 22nd century military weapons...

So what?

When I was a kid I had a go cart that looked like a corvette but it wasn't a corvette

When 27% have mental problems, Star Wars weapons are a problem. There is no reason for them but that the corporate NRA gunworks wants to sell more guns, dupe.

What star wars gun? They have blasters? Where can I get one.....

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports the FIX NICS act....the democrats oppose it.

The NRA trains local, state and federal law enforcement...the democrats constantly attack law enforcement and prevent them from arresting violent gun criminals.

You keep attacking the NRA...the NRA supports armed security and armed staff in the schools, the democrats oppose it.

The NRA teaches fun safety to millions of children...the democrats fight teaching gun safety to kids.

The NRA supports keeping violent gun offenders in prison, the democrats let violent gun offenders out of jail and pass laws letting them out early.

The NRA doesn't support the PROMISE PROGRAM, of obama, which allowed the shooter to get the gun...the democrats created and support the Promise program...which allowed the shooter to get his gun...

Since those are the facts, the truth and the reality.....

Of the two groups...the democrats are the ones supporting violent murder, not the NRA...

 

[2aguy]

Or we could just let law abiding people buy a gun if they want to

Wait just a minute SP... That is just way to reasonable...

Fine so do away with loopholes so only law-abiding people can buy them duh

There are no loopholes......criminals can't buy, own or carry a gun....that is already against the law. When they are caught with an illegal gun we can already arrest them, no matter who they buy it from...the problem is that democrats keep letting them out of jail...that is the problem...not background checks.

 

[2aguy]

I think it's pretty obvious the psycho styling of of these weapons is very dangerous when a quarter of the country is mentally unhealthy.

27%
Why More Americans Suffer From Mental Disorders Than Anyone Else

the left exists in this country!!!! can't get any more mental than that.

You right wing dupes believe so much garbage everyone in the world outside your bubble of BS knows you are functionally nuts politically.

And yet we kicked the crap out of you clowns in multiple elections, took back the House, Senate, White House, and SCOTUS, and nearly 1,000 seats from Dem's nationally.

Not only all that but the last Democrat to win ran on a pro right to keep and bear arms platform.

But you know that when he is in office he will vote against the 2nd Amendment......

Any vote for a democrat is a vote to end the 2nd Amendment.

 

[2aguy]

Fine so do away with loopholes so only law-abiding people can buy them duh

Ok dupehole your so freakin smart, list 10 loopholes...

Private Sales at gun shows is plenty.

That isn't a loophole ding bat. Anyone can sell private property.......

And it always amazes me that morons like you think that if someone is going to sell a gun, knowingly to a suspicious person, that you think they would stop sellling that gun if you made a law for a background check....that is just stupid fucking thinking right there....

 

[2aguy]

Fine so do away with loopholes so only law-abiding people can buy them duh

Ok dupehole your so freakin smart, list 10 loopholes...

Private Sales at gun shows is plenty.

You are just ate up with the dumbass aren't you francoHFW ... You are the one who used loopholes in the plural form so it was only natural for one to ask for more than one loophole... As far as I am concerned you never provided one loophole... A law is a freakin law peckerbreath... Deal with it...

Other loopholes include states that don't send criminal records to the FBI on guns, Trump just passed something so 75000 mental people are no longer included, and we have the military suck at reporting to o... No doubt there are more, and try and remain calm ferchrissake.Closing gun background check loopholes may be ‘common cause’ for Democrats and Republicans, says Sen. Chris Murphy

YOu were caught and now you are making crap up......the democrats oppose the FIX NICS which would punish state and government agencies that fail to report criminal records to NICS...ding bat....

And no...the ACLU didn't want morons like you taking guns away from people with insomnia...

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

--------------------------
The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community.

This is about more than guns. Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.

 

[2aguy]

Fine so do away with loopholes so only law-abiding people can buy them duh

Ok dupehole your so freakin smart, list 10 loopholes...

Private Sales at gun shows is plenty.

You are just ate up with the dumbass aren't you francoHFW ... You are the one who used loopholes in the plural form so it was only natural for one to ask for more than one loophole... As far as I am concerned you never provided one loophole... A law is a freakin law peckerbreath... Deal with it...

Other loopholes include states that don't send criminal records to the FBI on guns, Trump just passed something so 75000 mental people are no longer included, and we have the military suck at reporting to o... No doubt there are more, and try and remain calm ferchrissake.Closing gun background check loopholes may be ‘common cause’ for Democrats and Republicans, says Sen. Chris Murphy

There is no gun show loophole.

 

[2aguy]

Can you please then explain the disparity in the number and frequency of gun massacres in the United States and other industrialized western nations? What makes our nation more prone to gun violence? Our culture? Our preternatural tendency to be less mentally stable? Or our open and unfettered access to guns?

We’re an inherently violent culture; in America violence is sanctioned as a legitimate means of conflict resolution – from corporal punishment in our schools to capital punishment in our prisons, and in foreign affairs our propensity to resort to the use of military force.

There’s really nothing we can do about sanctioned violence in American culture, at least in the short-term; we can do better with regard to affording all Americans access to affordable healthcare – including mental health intervention and treatment, but the political will is not there.

Likewise, there’s no political will to restrict access to AR 15s, where doing so would be on shaky Constitutional grounds, given the fact that less than 2 percent of gun crime and violence are committed with long guns, the majority of such crimes being committed with handguns, and that school shootings have been on the decrease in recent years.

In order for government to restrict a fundamental right, it must have objective, documented evidence in support of doing so – and that evidence simply doesn’t exist to justify banning AR 15s.

As with other problems and issues we face, more government and more government regulation is not the answer – it’s not the answer with regard to drug and alcohol abuse, it’s not the answer with regard to unwanted pregnancies, and it’s not the answer to gun crime and violence.

It's not just Americans

People are violent
Always have been
Always will be

Speak for yourself, stressed out ignorant brainwashed GOP dupe.

You don't know history do you?

And I;ll tell you again that I am not a republican but we all know you can only think in 2 dimensions so most likely I;ll be telling you this again in the near future, Dory,

Humans are the most violent animal to even walk this earth.

Denying that FACT is to be so stupid as to be labeled mentally retarded

Actually I have a masters in history LOL and plenty of people are not violent like Many right wing Republican assholes. And you might as well be a Republican. What are you libertarian or independent? All the same damn thing if you don't vote democratic the intelligent way.

The violence in this country came from democrats and left wingers.......even today democrat groups are the ones beating and murdering conservatives and Trump supporters...

 

[Flash]

27%
Why More Americans Suffer From Mental Disorders Than Anyone Else

the left exists in this country!!!! can't get any more mental than that.

You right wing dupes believe so much garbage everyone in the world outside your bubble of BS knows you are functionally nuts politically.

And yet we kicked the crap out of you clowns in multiple elections, took back the House, Senate, White House, and SCOTUS, and nearly 1,000 seats from Dem's nationally.

Not only all that but the last Democrat to win ran on a pro right to keep and bear arms platform.

But you know that when he is in office he will vote against the 2nd Amendment......

Any vote for a democrat is a vote to end the 2nd Amendment.

You are correct. Democrats lie to win elections. The naive idiots that voted for him because they thought he was going to represent their Conservative views will be disappointed. He lied to them to get elected.

Never trust anybody that aligns themselves with the Democrat Party. Liberals in general and Democrats particularly are the lying scum of this country.

However, that doesn't negate the fact that a candidate that said he supported the Second amendment and other Conservative views won an election. That is an indication that the people in Pennsylvania haven't turned full Moon Bat as the Libtards are trying to claim.