Maverick GOP Mayor In W Virginia May Deny Bush An Electoral Vote

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    i can respect this guy for this, i know that the great majority of veterans (outside this board) that i know are furious with Bush and his campaign for slandering Kerry's service without any real proof.
    (i'm voting for Bush, but i don't like that Swift Boat Liars For Truth at all, nor do I like the Texans For Truth)

    Robb's vote may not go to Bush
    GOP mayor may use Electoral College
    to lodge protest against president

    Chris Stirewalt
    Daily Mail Political Editor

    Wednesday September 08, 2004

    South Charleston Mayor Richie Robb said today he may vote against George W. Bush in the Electoral College, even if the president carries West Virginia's popular vote.

    Robb, long known as a maverick Republican, said he is considering using his position as one of the state's five Republican electors to protest what he believes are misguided policies of the current administration.

    "It's not likely that I would vote for Kerry," Robb said. "But I'm looking at what my options are when it comes time to cast my vote."

    State election law dictates that the party of the candidate who wins the popular vote for president gets to send its five electors when the Electoral College convenes in mid-December.

    At their state convention in June, the members of the West Virginia Republican Party chose the top five runners-up from their gubernatorial primary to serve as electors. Robb, who finished fourth in the May primary, will be among them.

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    http://www.dailymail.com/news/News/2004090817/
     
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    Yeah the veterans are so upset with it they are marching on DC...against Kerry.

    This man may be a marverick. but he will have to answer to the base in reelection.
     
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    i'm more interested in IF he has the right to do this under W. Virginia law.

    That's funny about the veterans Avatar, I guess all women hate Bush (since half a million of them or so marched a few months ago protesting his abortion policy and other issues they had with him) .... by your logic of course :scratch:
     
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    as a Navy guy, that will someday be considered a "veteran", I am surprised that you believet he swift boat vets, all 250+ don't have a right to voice their opinion about Kerry. They have made it clear that the Bush campaign is NOT involved in their story, so why won't you believe them? You say no "proof", so by that logic, you are saying that ALL those that served with him (all but less than a handful) are lying.

    Are you just trying to "prove" that you are "truly non-partisan" by disparaging the reputation of these 250+ guys and calling them liars; or do you really believe that Kerry, who made his service in Vietnam the "centerpiece" of why we should vote for him, is truly a "war hero" as he proclaims?
     
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    I have yet to see any proof of what these guys talking about being true.

    Instead I have seen numerous prestigious newspapers (yes a few with a leftist bent perhaps) who have been vanguards of the truth in the past release analysis of these claims as "essentially untrue."

    As I have said before, quite a good number of them have in the past praised or even campaigned for Kerry.

    And, after being on official record ascribing the events they now claim are false, they are discrediting themselves, especially because they're coming out in these ads "attacking" Kerry.

    If they had released these ads and solemnly said, "we are sorry, we lied about events in Vietnam that John Kerry took part in and is claiming honor for" I could see them as credible.

    Instead they're financed by Bush supporters who want to discredit and embarass Kerry.

    Our president himself said John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam, and on more than one occasion, called him a war hero.

    So I guess Pres. Bush is a liar too?

    They criticize Kerry for testifying before Congress about atroicites commited in Vietnam by American soldiers... yet time and time again, even from the mouths of other veterans, evidence has come forward that atrocities did happen. Soldiers were put in a horrible situation by politicians (and by the way, Vietnam was liberalism's war, so the Dems started the whole mess themselves) for more than a decade, and quite a number of those soldiers acted like monsters. Bad things happened in a bad place. That doesn't mean that soldiers who were drafted (or like Kerry, volunteered) for their country did not serve honorably, it just means that a number of them commited horrible acts during war.

    Remember it was we as Americans (the great majority) who turned our backs on these veterans and helped to poison the atmosphere for years before we finally realized that that was wrong. The politicians (both Dem and GOP) were for years the problem, not the troops.
     
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    Well, if you watch and read something other than CNN and the NY Times or the Boston Globe, you would have seen that these men are plausible and right this moment, the Department of the Navy is investigating Kerry's medals. On his own website he shows a DD214 that says he was awarded the Silver Star with "V" Device. There is no such animal. Also, his silver star was supposedly signed by Secretary of the Navy Lehman. But Lehman says he never signed it and plus, he wasn't SoN until the mid eighties.

    I could go on and on. If you really wanted to get both sides of the story you could, but you ain't gonna find it on any of the big three. The web is an excellent source of information and you can compare the stories yourself and then make a decision. Don't make one based on what the media if force-feeding you. You have picked up the DNC mantra and I am having a hard time believing you are as "non-partisan" as you often claim.

    Secondly, you have not answered my question. Are those 250 plus swifties liars? Yes or no.

    Lastly, nobody campaigned for Kerry. Kerry, in 1996, was accused of war crimes by an opponent in the primary and these vets you and Kerry claim "campaigned for him" did no such thing. They are on the record and even in tapes of the events where they did defend him in 1996, they have made clear that their intentions then were to stand by him to say that he nor any other swifties participated in war crimes. If Kerry had, that meant they had, and they wanted no part of it.

    Oh, one more point..... you see, the problem is, that yes, some did committ atrocities. It happens in every war. But Kerry came back and said that HE had participated in atrocities. Again, that implicated ALL swifties and that is what they are pissed about. And BTW, they have said that that is the main reason they are speaking out. They have not minced words about it.
     
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    i'll go with john mccain and david hackworth: they're liars and what they're doing is shameful

    from sen. mccain's statement on the swiftboat issue:

    Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.

    "I deplore this kind of politics," McCain said. "I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War."

    McCain himself spent more than five years in a Vietnam prisoner of war camp. A bona fide war hero, McCain, like Kerry, used his war record as the foundation of his presidential campaign.
     
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    and what bob dole (despite his public bashing of kerry, thinks of this kind of slur) there is a videotape of dole's comment you can watch

    http://www.slate.com/id/2105781

    on the trail Dispatches from Campaign 2004.


    For Shame
    A leaked video reveals what Bob Dole really thinks about Bush's tactics.
    By Chris Suellentrop
    Posted Friday, Aug. 27, 2004, at 4:26 PM PT

    For pretty much the duration of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth controversy, the Kerry campaign has been trying to demonstrate that the smear campaign being conducted against the Democratic presidential nominee is all the more loathsome because it is part of a pattern of behavior by George W. Bush: the use of front groups to damage his campaign opponents by putting false statements into the political bloodstream. Particularly salient, Democrats believe, is the 2000 campaign conducted against John McCain during the South Carolina primary.

    Democrats now have an unlikely ally in their quest to prove that Bush has a history of these kinds of dirty tricks: Bob Dole. No one has done more to lend establishment respectability to the falsehoods being peddled against Kerry than Dole. The former Senate majority leader and 1996 presidential nominee of the Republican Party made several demonstrably false statements about John Kerry's war record this past Sunday on CNN's Late Edition before saying that "not every one of these people can be Republican liars. There's got to be some truth to the charges."

    But Dole also made another statement that day, one that hasn't been aired until now. Of McCain's charge to President Bush during a 2000 debate—"You should be ashamed"—Dole told Wolf Blitzer, "He was right." Dole made the remark off-air, while CNN broadcast a portion of McCain's 2000 debate remarks. The Kerry campaign had been using the debate footage in an ad called "Old Tricks" but stopped airing it recently at McCain's request.*

    Although the remark was made off-air, it wasn't made off-camera. A CNN employee who asked not to be named made a digital file of the raw camera feed from the Late Edition studio. The footage does not include the graphics or other video, such as the McCain ad, that was shown during the live broadcast. "Once the control room punches the ad, it automatically kills the mics in the studio," the CNN employee told me. "He knows he can speak to Wolf and no one will hear him." Slate has posted the video, so you can see Dole's remark for yourself. (Click the image to view the clip.)

    Question for Bob Dole: If President Bush should be ashamed of his behavior four years ago, why aren't you ashamed now?

    Correction, Aug. 31, 2004: This article originally stated that CNN's Late Edition broadcast the Kerry ad called "Old Tricks," rather than the actual debate footage. Return to the corrected sentence.
     
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    dude, Bush said "more heroic than HIS service". Plus, Bush didn't serve with Kerry, so how would he know if he was heroic or not? Bush is just doing as he should, and taking the high road with this issue.
     

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