Map of Ottoman Empire @ 1900's clearly shows, land NOT OWNED BY ARABS:

[Rigby5]

Historical facts fly in the face of those who claim: "The Jews stole the land".

The "land" was Ottoman Empire territory for 600 years, and then under the control of the British after WWI once the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

Get it right, the Arabs had no say or control over what happened to the land for 800 years. In fact, the Ottomans who CONQUERED the Arabs were enemies:

The whole mid-East problem is a Muslim schism wrapped inside a Persian/Turk struggle to determine who will rule the Arabs.

Lines drawn by dead Brits only complicate the problem.

We should back off and let them solve it themselves.

Hence the reason the Turks and Saudis gave rise to ISIS, in order to stop and reverse the expansion of Shiite Iran. This ancient blood flood will never end. All the West needs to do is fan the flames and reap the rewards, as they have throughout history.

Wrong.
Since ISIS seems to know nothing about Islam, is mostly secular Sunni captured by the US, and intentionally trying to make Muslims look bad, it is almost for sure that it is Israel and the US who created ISIS.

". . .it is almost for sure that it is Israel and the US who created ISIS."

what an outreagous thing to say...



they ...created themselves....

That is obviously impossible.
ISIS could not possibly have created itself.
First of all, ISIS could never have existed if the US had not taken out Saddam.
Second is that the secular Sunni who formed ISIS had just been released from US POW camps, so had no weapons, money, jobs, or vehicles.
For ISIS to have all these weapons and Toyota trucks, someone had to be arming and supplying them.
If you think it was not Israel or the US, then who was it?

 

[Rigby5]

but there is NO Jewish right to ownership at all. NONE!

You don't seem to be very clear what you are arguing here. You, like many, are attempting to conflate private property ownership with sovereignty. You, like many, use this as a way to restrict Jewish rights at both ends of the candle, as it were. Because, apparently, you think there should be different rules for Jews. Sigh. Where have we heard that before?

So, to be clear:

You are arguing that the right to purchase property should be withheld from people who are Jewish?!

and/or

You are arguing that the right to self-determination should be withheld from people who are Jewish?

Wrong.
I am separately arguing both issues.

Jews have absolutely no legal right to any political control over Palestine at all, since Jews are almost entirely a minority of foreign illegal immigrants, and that any Jews were allowed to legally immigrate to Palestine on the promise they would never try to get involved rule or sovereignty.
Jews are not the natives nor the majority, in Israel or Palestine/Israel.

Jews have almost no legal right to any land or property, because they did not actually purchase any significant amount of land, unlike the Palestinians, who have valid deeds, titles, bill of sales, etc.

 

[Shusha]

but there is NO Jewish right to ownership at all. NONE!

You don't seem to be very clear what you are arguing here. You, like many, are attempting to conflate private property ownership with sovereignty. You, like many, use this as a way to restrict Jewish rights at both ends of the candle, as it were. Because, apparently, you think there should be different rules for Jews. Sigh. Where have we heard that before?

So, to be clear:

You are arguing that the right to purchase property should be withheld from people who are Jewish?!

and/or

You are arguing that the right to self-determination should be withheld from people who are Jewish?

Wrong.
I am separately arguing both issues.

Jews have absolutely no legal right to any political control over Palestine at all, since Jews are almost entirely a minority of foreign illegal immigrants, and that any Jews were allowed to legally immigrate to Palestine on the promise they would never try to get involved rule or sovereignty.
Jews are not the natives nor the majority, in Israel or Palestine/Israel.

Jews have almost no legal right to any land or property, because they did not actually purchase any significant amount of land, unlike the Palestinians, who have valid deeds, titles, bill of sales, etc.

Sigh. Yeah, same old same old.

Jews have no right to self-determination. Because ... reasons.

Jews have no right to purchase property. Because ... reasons.

Jewish sovereignty is illegal because ... reasons.

Jewish property rights are illegal because ... reasons.

Boring. As well as incorrect.

 

[Rigby5]

Those are Arab names, not Jewish names.

You are trying to make the term "Arab" a catch-all phrase which encompasses the entire MENA region, going backwards for all time. You do this for the distinct purpose of erasing "Jewish" as a separate ethnic or cultural group indigenous in the area.

You explicitly reject the idea that this catch-all phrase of "Arab" is a result of conquest, invasion and colonization. You do this for the distinct purpose of erasing "Jewish" as a separate ethnic or cultural group indigenous in the area.

What you don't seem to realize is that by erasing any sub-group of the region, you are not only erasing Jewish culture, but also ALL the individual cultures which exist in the MENA region. You are erasing EVERYBODY. (Well, unless you have that double standard thing going on.)

If you argue that there is no cultural or ethnic differentiation between Canaanites and Philistines and Phoenicians and Egyptians and Assyrians and Moabites and Midianites and Aramaeans because they were all "Arabs", then you are arguing against the existence of ALL these cultures, as separate and distinct cultures. If there is no cultural or ethnic or national differentiation between Syria and Egypt and Jordan and Iraq and Lebanon and Iran and Saudia Arabia and all the others and Israel, because they are all "Arab", then you are arguing against the existence of ALL of these states. Further, you are arguing that France can't exist, nor can Spain or Portugal or Belgium or Switzerland or Germany, because they are all just Europeans.

The Jewish people originated in that territory, in that land. There they developed and differentiated themselves from all other peoples -- developing their own language, religion, laws, myths, stories, history, customs, celebrations, holidays, and rituals. Pretending they didn't, or pretending they don't exist, or pretending they don't "count" is ... well ... you know what it is.

Wrong.
The whole point is that I am NOT arguing that there is no cultural or ethnic differentiation between Canaanites and Philistines and Phoenicians and Egyptians and Assyrians and Moabites and Midianites and Aramaeans, etc.
I am arguing that they are all very interesting, unique, valuable, and historically significant.
And they are not Hebrew.
We know when the Hebrew invasion occurred, around 1000 BC, and we know they were hated for their invasion and massacres, like as Jericho. Otherwise the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Romans would not have so easily defeated them. They had no allies, and we know they ruled only for a few hundred years, due to their unpopular brutality.

We know absolutely for sure that Hebrew tribes did NOT originate in the Land of Canaan, and have absolutely no history there before 1000 BC.

We know all the groups that did exist in the Land of Canaan, like the Canaanites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Moabites, Akkadians, Urites, Aramaeans, etc. The Hebrew tribes were not among them. The Hebrew tribes also are Arab, but they developed independently somewhere else.

Likely it was the Sinai desert where they came from.

The only claim to any land ownership in Israel by Jews comes from an old book of mythology written by Jews.
That does not hold any water with me or any sane person.
And clearly even in the Jewish account of the Old Testament, the war crimes committed by Jews invalidate any possible claims.
To attempt to resurrect the ancient Hebrew dynasty is hideously corrupt.
It was not a good country that respected any kind of law and order we require these days.
To even admit one has any association to the barbarism, cruelty, and injustice of the Old Testament, is to condemn the one making the claim.

 

[Rigby5]

but there is NO Jewish right to ownership at all. NONE!

You don't seem to be very clear what you are arguing here. You, like many, are attempting to conflate private property ownership with sovereignty. You, like many, use this as a way to restrict Jewish rights at both ends of the candle, as it were. Because, apparently, you think there should be different rules for Jews. Sigh. Where have we heard that before?

So, to be clear:

You are arguing that the right to purchase property should be withheld from people who are Jewish?!

and/or

You are arguing that the right to self-determination should be withheld from people who are Jewish?

Wrong.
I am separately arguing both issues.

Jews have absolutely no legal right to any political control over Palestine at all, since Jews are almost entirely a minority of foreign illegal immigrants, and that any Jews were allowed to legally immigrate to Palestine on the promise they would never try to get involved rule or sovereignty.
Jews are not the natives nor the majority, in Israel or Palestine/Israel.

Jews have almost no legal right to any land or property, because they did not actually purchase any significant amount of land, unlike the Palestinians, who have valid deeds, titles, bill of sales, etc.

Sigh. Yeah, same old same old.

Jews have no right to self-determination. Because ... reasons.

Jews have no right to purchase property. Because ... reasons.

Jewish sovereignty is illegal because ... reasons.

Jewish property rights are illegal because ... reasons.

Boring. As well as incorrect.

Jews have all the right to self determination in the world, but they have to find some place where they can do that without violating the rights of the indigenous natives.
Jews are not indigenous natives to Palestine, so should have gone somewhere uninhabited, like Madagascar.

Jews have all the right in the world to purchase property, but the problem is they did not and still refuse to pay for anything. They want it all for free, and they want to kill the rightful owners in order to take it.

Jewish sovereignty is illegal in Palestine, not only because they are not indigenous natives, but because the indigenous native Palestinians earned their sovereignty by fighting with the Allies against the Ottoman empire.

Jewish property claims are invalid because they did not pay for almost any land.

 

[rylah]

There's actually not a single nation in the world,
that has bought this land more times or at a higher price than the Jews.

And that's why Arabs and Turks refuse to open the archives.
They know they'll be left with their pants...including much of the foreign embassies in the Arabs world.

So go on big talk, why don't You open the archives?

 

[Indeependent]

but there is NO Jewish right to ownership at all. NONE!

You don't seem to be very clear what you are arguing here. You, like many, are attempting to conflate private property ownership with sovereignty. You, like many, use this as a way to restrict Jewish rights at both ends of the candle, as it were. Because, apparently, you think there should be different rules for Jews. Sigh. Where have we heard that before?

So, to be clear:

You are arguing that the right to purchase property should be withheld from people who are Jewish?!

and/or

You are arguing that the right to self-determination should be withheld from people who are Jewish?

Wrong.
I am separately arguing both issues.

Jews have absolutely no legal right to any political control over Palestine at all, since Jews are almost entirely a minority of foreign illegal immigrants, and that any Jews were allowed to legally immigrate to Palestine on the promise they would never try to get involved rule or sovereignty.
Jews are not the natives nor the majority, in Israel or Palestine/Israel.

Jews have almost no legal right to any land or property, because they did not actually purchase any significant amount of land, unlike the Palestinians, who have valid deeds, titles, bill of sales, etc.

Sigh. Yeah, same old same old.

Jews have no right to self-determination. Because ... reasons.

Jews have no right to purchase property. Because ... reasons.

Jewish sovereignty is illegal because ... reasons.

Jewish property rights are illegal because ... reasons.

Boring. As well as incorrect.

Jews have all the right to self determination in the world, but they have to find some place where they can do that without violating the rights of the indigenous natives.
Jews are not indigenous natives to Palestine, so should have gone somewhere uninhabited, like Madagascar.

Jews have all the right in the world to purchase property, but the problem is they did not and still refuse to pay for anything. They want it all for free, and they want to kill the rightful owners in order to take it.

Jewish sovereignty is illegal in Palestine, not only because they are not indigenous natives, but because the indigenous native Palestinians earned their sovereignty by fighting with the Allies against the Ottoman empire.

Jewish property claims are invalid because they did not pay for almost any land.

Do you enjoy making a jackass out of yourself?
Try posting a fact every now and then.

 

[Rigby5]

There's actually not a single nation in the world,
that has bought this land more times or at a higher price than the Jews.

And that's why Arabs and Turks refuse to open the archives.
They know they'll be left with their pants...including much of the foreign embassies in the Arabs world.

So go on big talk, why don't You open the archives?

Liar.
Jews never bought any significant land in Palestine.
They invaded and murdered Canaanites originally around 1000 BC, and never bought any land in Palestine at all until around 1900, when Zionist cult bought some tiny properties.
The archives are open.
And they prove Palestinian land ownership, not Jewish land ownership.

Ottoman archives to help Palestinians reclaim lands

{...
Ottoman archives to help Palestinians reclaim lands
DAILY SABAH
ISTANBUL
Published23.06.201521:50
Palestinians entangled in lawsuits to claim ownership of properties grabbed by the state of Israel have found a new sidekick in their legal battle: The Ottomans or rather, the archives of the now-defunct empire, which once ruled present-day Israel, Palestine and much of the Middle East for centuries.

Turkey opened the Ottoman land registry archives to Palestinian litigants so that Israel "can't tell Palestinians this land is not yours," said Kudret Bülbül, the head of a Turkish agency overseeing the process.

Speaking to Anadolu Agency (AA), Bülbül, the head of the Turks Abroad and Related Communities Directorate of the Prime Ministry (YTB), said the archives provided evidence to the original land register. "Israel occasionally violates laws. It confiscated public and private properties in Palestine under various excuses, such as denying the existence of historical ownership of those properties by foundations or the existence of a former Palestinian settlement. The opening of the archives aims to prevent these claims. Under our project, land registers, sultans' decrees or historical documents proving the property ownership of Palestinians in Jerusalem and the Palestinian territories are being examined," he said. Bülbül added that they would translate the documents he defined as historical evidence into English, Arabic, French and other languages "so Palestinians can defend their cause before international bodies and the courts better," he said.

The YTB will scan the archives for all documents related to Palestine and hand over copies of requested documents to Palestinian litigants in relevant cases. The agency will also check the Ottoman archives in other countries for documents related to Palestine.

The agency will also support independent studies on Palestinian history and set up a library of historical documents.

The use of Ottoman archives to prove Palestinians' property claims was at the center of a lawsuit over the ownership of residences in an East Jerusalem neighborhood. Palestinian families facing eviction from the neighborhood were given access to Ottoman archives to prove that the area they live in belonged to Palestinian families. Several families were evicted from the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood in 2009 after the court ruled in favor of Jewish families who claimed they had title deeds dating back to Ottoman times, which showed the land was bought by Jews. Palestinians claimed the deeds were forged. Apart from East Jerusalem, Palestinians are engaged in legal disputes with Jewish settlers and the state of Israel for properties in the West Bank.

The Republic of Turkey strained its relations with Israel and adopted a pro-Palestinian stance following Israel's brutal offensives in Gaza and an attack on Turkish activists bringing aid to Gaza. The Turkish government enjoys good relations with the Palestinian Authority as well as the Hamas administration in Gaza.
...}

 

[Rigby5]

but there is NO Jewish right to ownership at all. NONE!

You don't seem to be very clear what you are arguing here. You, like many, are attempting to conflate private property ownership with sovereignty. You, like many, use this as a way to restrict Jewish rights at both ends of the candle, as it were. Because, apparently, you think there should be different rules for Jews. Sigh. Where have we heard that before?

So, to be clear:

You are arguing that the right to purchase property should be withheld from people who are Jewish?!

and/or

You are arguing that the right to self-determination should be withheld from people who are Jewish?

Wrong.
I am separately arguing both issues.

Jews have absolutely no legal right to any political control over Palestine at all, since Jews are almost entirely a minority of foreign illegal immigrants, and that any Jews were allowed to legally immigrate to Palestine on the promise they would never try to get involved rule or sovereignty.
Jews are not the natives nor the majority, in Israel or Palestine/Israel.

Jews have almost no legal right to any land or property, because they did not actually purchase any significant amount of land, unlike the Palestinians, who have valid deeds, titles, bill of sales, etc.

Sigh. Yeah, same old same old.

Jews have no right to self-determination. Because ... reasons.

Jews have no right to purchase property. Because ... reasons.

Jewish sovereignty is illegal because ... reasons.

Jewish property rights are illegal because ... reasons.

Boring. As well as incorrect.

Jews have all the right to self determination in the world, but they have to find some place where they can do that without violating the rights of the indigenous natives.
Jews are not indigenous natives to Palestine, so should have gone somewhere uninhabited, like Madagascar.

Jews have all the right in the world to purchase property, but the problem is they did not and still refuse to pay for anything. They want it all for free, and they want to kill the rightful owners in order to take it.

Jewish sovereignty is illegal in Palestine, not only because they are not indigenous natives, but because the indigenous native Palestinians earned their sovereignty by fighting with the Allies against the Ottoman empire.

Jewish property claims are invalid because they did not pay for almost any land.

Do you enjoy making a jackass out of yourself?
Try posting a fact every now and then.

The facts are well known, that Jews were allowed to immigrate to Palestine on the promise they have no claims or political ambitions for their immigration.
They clearly have no right to break off any of Palestine for a Jewish state, much less take all of it, as they seem inclined.

What facts do you want?
Like the Treaty of San Remo, the Treaty of Sevres, or anything else that establishes Palestine and not Israel?

 

[Shusha]

The Hebrew tribes also are Arab, but they developed independently somewhere else.

We know absolutely for sure that Hebrew tribes did NOT originate in the Land of Canaan, and have absolutely no history there before 1000 BC.

We know when the Hebrew invasion occurred, around 1000 BC

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

You agree that the Jewish people are also "Arab", that term being used by you to mean broadly Middle Eastern. The Jewish people, then, are part of the "Arab group of peoples" (according to your definition).

You agree that the Jewish people, like all sub-cultures of "Arabs", are

very interesting, unique, valuable, and historically significant

Yet, somehow, the Jewish people "developed independently somewhere else" -- meaning OUTSIDE your self-proclaimed grouping of "Arab people".

Dude, you can not have it both ways. Either the Jewish people are part of the broader set of "Arab peoples" (and entitled to all the rights and privileges you grant to all other "Arab peoples" (including indigeneity, self-determination and sovereignty) OR the Jewish people developed "independently somewhere else" and are therefore NOT part of the broader set of "Arab peoples".

You can't have it both ways. That is the definition of double standards.

 

[Shusha]

We know when the Hebrew invasion occurred, around 1000 BC...

We know absolutely for sure that Hebrew tribes did NOT originate in the Land of Canaan, and have absolutely no history there before 1000 BC.

The Hebrew tribes also are Arab, but they developed independently somewhere else.

We know this HOW, exactly?!

Site your sources.

 

[Shusha]

Jews have all the right to self determination in the world, but they have to find some place where they can do that without violating the rights of the indigenous natives.

Sounds like you are saying that peoples have the rights to self-determination on the territories where they are indigenous. Well done. The UN agrees. As do I. And any moral person.

Tell me, what is the indigenous territory of the Jewish people?

 

[22lcidw]

but there is NO Jewish right to ownership at all. NONE!

You don't seem to be very clear what you are arguing here. You, like many, are attempting to conflate private property ownership with sovereignty. You, like many, use this as a way to restrict Jewish rights at both ends of the candle, as it were. Because, apparently, you think there should be different rules for Jews. Sigh. Where have we heard that before?

So, to be clear:

You are arguing that the right to purchase property should be withheld from people who are Jewish?!

and/or

You are arguing that the right to self-determination should be withheld from people who are Jewish?

Wrong.
I am separately arguing both issues.

Jews have absolutely no legal right to any political control over Palestine at all, since Jews are almost entirely a minority of foreign illegal immigrants, and that any Jews were allowed to legally immigrate to Palestine on the promise they would never try to get involved rule or sovereignty.
Jews are not the natives nor the majority, in Israel or Palestine/Israel.

Jews have almost no legal right to any land or property, because they did not actually purchase any significant amount of land, unlike the Palestinians, who have valid deeds, titles, bill of sales, etc.

The argument is moot because Israel is there and they have nuclear weapons. If the United States were to become a minor nation in the near future, it may get interesting in that region though.

 

[Indeependent]

You don't seem to be very clear what you are arguing here. You, like many, are attempting to conflate private property ownership with sovereignty. You, like many, use this as a way to restrict Jewish rights at both ends of the candle, as it were. Because, apparently, you think there should be different rules for Jews. Sigh. Where have we heard that before?

So, to be clear:

You are arguing that the right to purchase property should be withheld from people who are Jewish?!

and/or

You are arguing that the right to self-determination should be withheld from people who are Jewish?

Wrong.
I am separately arguing both issues.

Jews have absolutely no legal right to any political control over Palestine at all, since Jews are almost entirely a minority of foreign illegal immigrants, and that any Jews were allowed to legally immigrate to Palestine on the promise they would never try to get involved rule or sovereignty.
Jews are not the natives nor the majority, in Israel or Palestine/Israel.

Jews have almost no legal right to any land or property, because they did not actually purchase any significant amount of land, unlike the Palestinians, who have valid deeds, titles, bill of sales, etc.

Sigh. Yeah, same old same old.

Jews have no right to self-determination. Because ... reasons.

Jews have no right to purchase property. Because ... reasons.

Jewish sovereignty is illegal because ... reasons.

Jewish property rights are illegal because ... reasons.

Boring. As well as incorrect.

Jews have all the right to self determination in the world, but they have to find some place where they can do that without violating the rights of the indigenous natives.
Jews are not indigenous natives to Palestine, so should have gone somewhere uninhabited, like Madagascar.

Jews have all the right in the world to purchase property, but the problem is they did not and still refuse to pay for anything. They want it all for free, and they want to kill the rightful owners in order to take it.

Jewish sovereignty is illegal in Palestine, not only because they are not indigenous natives, but because the indigenous native Palestinians earned their sovereignty by fighting with the Allies against the Ottoman empire.

Jewish property claims are invalid because they did not pay for almost any land.

Do you enjoy making a jackass out of yourself?
Try posting a fact every now and then.

The facts are well known, that Jews were allowed to immigrate to Palestine on the promise they have no claims or political ambitions for their immigration.
They clearly have no right to break off any of Palestine for a Jewish state, much less take all of it, as they seem inclined.

What facts do you want?
Like the Treaty of San Remo, the Treaty of Sevres, or anything else that establishes Palestine and not Israel?

Jews paid lots of money to Arabs for land and the Arabs were happy to take it.
You are an idiot and have no fans here.

 

[Indeependent]

We know when the Hebrew invasion occurred, around 1000 BC...

We know absolutely for sure that Hebrew tribes did NOT originate in the Land of Canaan, and have absolutely no history there before 1000 BC.

The Hebrew tribes also are Arab, but they developed independently somewhere else.

We know this HOW, exactly?!

Site your sources.

Rigby and Arab sites.

 

[member]

Historical facts fly in the face of those who claim: "The Jews stole the land".

The "land" was Ottoman Empire territory for 600 years, and then under the control of the British after WWI once the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

Get it right, the Arabs had no say or control over what happened to the land for 800 years. In fact, the Ottomans who CONQUERED the Arabs were enemies:

The whole mid-East problem is a Muslim schism wrapped inside a Persian/Turk struggle to determine who will rule the Arabs.

Lines drawn by dead Brits only complicate the problem.

We should back off and let them solve it themselves.

Hence the reason the Turks and Saudis gave rise to ISIS, in order to stop and reverse the expansion of Shiite Iran. This ancient blood flood will never end. All the West needs to do is fan the flames and reap the rewards, as they have throughout history.

Wrong.
Since ISIS seems to know nothing about Islam, is mostly secular Sunni captured by the US, and intentionally trying to make Muslims look bad, it is almost for sure that it is Israel and the US who created ISIS.

". . .it is almost for sure that it is Israel and the US who created ISIS."

what an outreagous thing to say...



they ...created themselves....

That is obviously impossible.
ISIS could not possibly have created itself.
First of all, ISIS could never have existed if the US had not taken out Saddam.
Second is that the secular Sunni who formed ISIS had just been released from US POW camps, so had no weapons, money, jobs, or vehicles.
For ISIS to have all these weapons and Toyota trucks, someone had to be arming and supplying them.
If you think it was not Israel or the US, then who was it?

"If you think it was not Israel or the US, then who was it?"

people have been blaming everything from the ice age to natural disasters to the ills of allll societies....and you and your: "ISIS could never have existed if the US[etc]...." on:












we've never met. what do i know ?

this ..."way of thinking" - it's disturbing... a red [false] flag. sorry.... don't mean to hurt your "feelings." i can't put it as eloquently as.....some philosopher or political analyst but...this is a twisted, scary outlook. before isis/alQu, plenty of savage "islamic" terrorist groups operating the same way, with the-same mindset, just different man-bodies now] -- sorry nice guys.........one of my thoughts about you saying this is:

MAN....he must fucking HATE the u.s and israel more than....................these terrorist killing machines.

 

[Roudy]

View attachment 33096

No autonomous or distinct palestine

And, since we both can read Arabic, you can confirm that the title of the map says in Arabic "Lebanon Syria". No mention of Palestine.

Funny how even the Arabs didn't look at it as Palestine, yet we keep hearing about these Palestinians with "ancient roots" who's mythical land got stolen.

"Palestine" is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity.

Nonsense.
Obviously the Ottoman empire would have an interest in suppressing any sort of local unity.

The name Palestine is a European name that was used by the Euopeans only. The Ottoman's called it "southern Syria". The name Palestinian was used only in reference to the Jews of the region only. Look it up.

 

[member]

View attachment 33096

No autonomous or distinct palestine

And, since we both can read Arabic, you can confirm that the title of the map says in Arabic "Lebanon Syria". No mention of Palestine.

Funny how even the Arabs didn't look at it as Palestine, yet we keep hearing about these Palestinians with "ancient roots" who's mythical land got stolen.

"Palestine" is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity.

Nonsense.
Obviously the Ottoman empire would have an interest in suppressing any sort of local unity.

The name Palestine is a European name that was used by the Euopeans only. The Ottoman's called it "southern Syria". The name Palestinian was used only in reference to the Jews of the region only. Look it up.

"The name Palestine is a European name that was used by the Euopeans only.."

​

. . . it ain't european sounding anymore.....

​

 

[Mindful]

View attachment 33096

No autonomous or distinct palestine

And, since we both can read Arabic, you can confirm that the title of the map says in Arabic "Lebanon Syria". No mention of Palestine.

Funny how even the Arabs didn't look at it as Palestine, yet we keep hearing about these Palestinians with "ancient roots" who's mythical land got stolen.

"Palestine" is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity.

Nonsense.
Obviously the Ottoman empire would have an interest in suppressing any sort of local unity.

The name Palestine is a European name that was used by the Euopeans only. The Ottoman's called it "southern Syria". The name Palestinian was used only in reference to the Jews of the region only. Look it up.

Roudy; here is an informative breakdown of facts and figures concerning the topic:

Interesting how a claim to the land was never made so long as Jordan held control of it, as soon as Israel expelled the Jordanians who had illegally occupied the land, the Arabs living in the land then proceeded to quickly change their charter to now make claims to this land. The question has to be, how can a historic claim change like this? Or could this be a lie?

“There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity… yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel.” Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council

Can a people that never held the sovereignty of land have the sovereignty taken from them? Remember, in any court of law, if you claim something was stole you have show ownership before you can accuse. This then begs the question, “How can someone claim theft of land they never held any sovereignty over?”

Did Israel Steal The Ancestral Home of the Palestinians? Part 3

 

[longknife]

Explaining Turkey

The article actually starts by discussing President Trump as an unconventional leader. But then, it goes into a couple of examples that are most interesting.

Sweden stubbornly keeping to driving on the left while Norway, Finland, and Denmark drove on the right and how the changeover went about.

But the crux comes when it recalls that Turkey actually sided with Germany during WWII. And it discusses Mustafa Keman, known as “Ataturk,” or “Father of the Turks.”

Ataturk denounced the prior "Young Turks" and went on a rampage of reform. He built hundreds of schools all across Turkey and made elementary education mandatory. Women were forbidden to wear the veil. Ataturk hammered Turkey into a modern secular European republic (and that includes giving women the right to vote and all kinds of such modernization).

(The Shah of Iran tried the same thing but got screwed by Jimmy Carter and the CIA)

snip

here comes the zinger. Ataturk was wise enough to know that he could not achieve his desired reforms unless he completely trashed the Arabic alphabet and the ancient Ottoman alphabet and put in their place the modernized Latin alphabet in which the Turkish language is written today.

There's no way to force you to do this, but I really wish you would take time out now to imagine what life would be like if, all of a sudden, every single word in your life had to be in an alphabet other than the ones you learned as a very young child. Imagine if every single book, beginning with the Bible, the Torah and the Quran, had to be reprinted with Ataturk's new alphabet! Not to mention newspapers, magazines and best-sellers of every kind. And, just as when Sweden made its traffic shift, every road sign in the country had to be changed!

What would you do if suddenly it was decided that the USA would no longer use the Latin alphabet and everything was suddenly changed to something else?

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