Map of Ottoman Empire @ 1900's clearly shows, land NOT OWNED BY ARABS:

[aris2chat]

No autonomous or distinct palestine

 

[Roudy]

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No autonomous or distinct palestine

And, since we both can read Arabic, you can confirm that the title of the map says in Arabic "Lebanon Syria". No mention of Palestine.

Funny how even the Arabs didn't look at it as Palestine, yet we keep hearing about these Palestinians with "ancient roots" who's mythical land got stolen.

"Palestine" is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity.

 

[aris2chat]

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No autonomous or distinct palestine

And, since we both can read Arabic, you can confirm that the title of the map says in Arabic "Lebanon Syria". No mention of Palestine.

Funny how even the Arabs didn't look at it as Palestine, yet we keep hearing about these Palestinians with "ancient roots" who's mythical land got stolen.

"Palestine" is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity.

Even under the romans the territory was under the governorship of syria.
Lebanon has off and on been autonomous. Lebanon area, west of the mountains has been named Liban (Lebanon), Phoenicia or Beirut.
Palestine was a name used in the Bible after the Jewish revolt. It was an insult to Jewish independence. A way of telling the jews that Rome was master.

 

[Roudy]

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No autonomous or distinct palestine

Aris, can you read in Arabic, where Jerusalem is marked in the large pink background, it calls the province "Jabbal Al Yahoodiah"?

Yahoodiah = Jewish region.

Or am I wrong? Check it out. There might be more to this map than you thought.

 

[aris2chat]

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No autonomous or distinct palestine

Aris, can you read in Arabic, where Jerusalem is marked in the large pink background, it calls the province "Jabbal Al Yahoodiah"?

Yahoodiah = Jewish region.

Or am I wrong? Check it out. There might be more to this map than you thought.

Jewish (اليهودية.) Mount ( جبل)
the script is hard to read

Jerusalem (أورشليم)
Al-Quds (القدس‎)‎

 

[Phoenall]

Well, perhaps we can call them by another name, to suit you. Let's call them the people that were living in Palestine before the Europeans settled and expelled them.

Living and owning are two different things. Try this you are given 1,000 acres of prime real estate by its legal owners and you find some itinerant illiterate squatters occupying your land and refusing to move or pay rent and taxes. So what do you do to these squatters. Do you allow them to carry on depriving you of your land, and the income it can generate for you, or do you run them off and keep them locked out of your land.

That is the situation in Israel, the arab muslims were there illegally and under International law if they did not want to be full citizens of Israel then they were hostiles and faced one of three outcomes. EVICTION, PRISON or DEATH

 

[Roudy]

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No autonomous or distinct palestine

Aris, can you read in Arabic, where Jerusalem is marked in the large pink background, it calls the province "Jabbal Al Yahoodiah"?

Yahoodiah = Jewish region.

Or am I wrong? Check it out. There might be more to this map than you thought.

Jewish (اليهودية.) Mount ( جبل)
the script is hard to read

Jerusalem (أورشليم)
Al-Quds (القدس‎)‎

So on this Ottoman map that is about 500 years old at least, they referred to Mount Sinai as the "Jewish Mount", and no mention of Palestine or "Falstin". Very interesting.

 

[Roadrunner]

Historical facts fly in the face of those who claim: "The Jews stole the land".

The "land" was Ottoman Empire territory for 600 years, and then under the control of the British after WWI once the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

Get it right, the Arabs had no say or control over what happened to the land for 800 years. In fact, the Ottomans who CONQUERED the Arabs were enemies:

The whole mid-East problem is a Muslim schism wrapped inside a Persian/Turk struggle to determine who will rule the Arabs.

Lines drawn by dead Brits only complicate the problem.

We should back off and let them solve it themselves.

 

[Roudy]

Historical facts fly in the face of those who claim: "The Jews stole the land".

The "land" was Ottoman Empire territory for 600 years, and then under the control of the British after WWI once the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

Get it right, the Arabs had no say or control over what happened to the land for 800 years. In fact, the Ottomans who CONQUERED the Arabs were enemies:

The whole mid-East problem is a Muslim schism wrapped inside a Persian/Turk struggle to determine who will rule the Arabs.

Lines drawn by dead Brits only complicate the problem.

We should back off and let them solve it themselves.

Hence the reason the Turks and Saudis gave rise to ISIS, in order to stop and reverse the expansion of Shiite Iran. This ancient blood flood will never end. All the West needs to do is fan the flames and reap the rewards, as they have throughout history.

 

[aris2chat]

View attachment 33096

No autonomous or distinct palestine

Aris, can you read in Arabic, where Jerusalem is marked in the large pink background, it calls the province "Jabbal Al Yahoodiah"?

Yahoodiah = Jewish region.

Or am I wrong? Check it out. There might be more to this map than you thought.

Jewish (اليهودية.) Mount ( جبل)
the script is hard to read

Jerusalem (أورشليم)
Al-Quds (القدس‎)‎

So on this Ottoman map that is about 500 years old at least, they referred to Mount Sinai as the "Jewish Mount", and no mention of Palestine or "Falstin". Very interesting.

Judaean Mountain range that includes Mt. Zion and Mt. Moriah

Mt Sinai is down by St.Catherines near the southern tip of the Sinai

 

[Roudy]

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No autonomous or distinct palestine

Aris, can you read in Arabic, where Jerusalem is marked in the large pink background, it calls the province "Jabbal Al Yahoodiah"?

Yahoodiah = Jewish region.

Or am I wrong? Check it out. There might be more to this map than you thought.

Jewish (اليهودية.) Mount ( جبل)
the script is hard to read

Jerusalem (أورشليم)
Al-Quds (القدس‎)‎

So on this Ottoman map that is about 500 years old at least, they referred to Mount Sinai as the "Jewish Mount", and no mention of Palestine or "Falstin". Very interesting.

Judaean Mountain range that includes Mt. Zion and Mt. Moriah

Mt Sinai is down by St.Catherines near the southern tip of the Sinai

Thanks I confused the two. How come they didn't call it the Palestinian Mountains?

1. The Judaean Mountains, also Judaean Hills and Hebron Hills, is a mountain range in Israel and the West Bank where Jerusalem and several other biblical cities are located. The mountains reach a height of 1,000 m. Wikipedia
   

 

[Rigby5]

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No autonomous or distinct palestine

And, since we both can read Arabic, you can confirm that the title of the map says in Arabic "Lebanon Syria". No mention of Palestine.

Funny how even the Arabs didn't look at it as Palestine, yet we keep hearing about these Palestinians with "ancient roots" who's mythical land got stolen.

"Palestine" is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity.

Nonsense.
Obviously the Ottoman empire would have an interest in suppressing any sort of local unity.

 

[Rigby5]

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No autonomous or distinct palestine

Aris, can you read in Arabic, where Jerusalem is marked in the large pink background, it calls the province "Jabbal Al Yahoodiah"?

Yahoodiah = Jewish region.

Or am I wrong? Check it out. There might be more to this map than you thought.

That pink region is not at all large, and in fact is tiny.
Plus there is a tiny darker green color in the middle of the pink, and that obviously is the Old Jewish Quarter, NOT the pink.
There is no pink in the legend.
You are totally misreading the map.

 

[Rigby5]

Well, perhaps we can call them by another name, to suit you. Let's call them the people that were living in Palestine before the Europeans settled and expelled them.

Living and owning are two different things. Try this you are given 1,000 acres of prime real estate by its legal owners and you find some itinerant illiterate squatters occupying your land and refusing to move or pay rent and taxes. So what do you do to these squatters. Do you allow them to carry on depriving you of your land, and the income it can generate for you, or do you run them off and keep them locked out of your land.

That is the situation in Israel, the arab muslims were there illegally and under International law if they did not want to be full citizens of Israel then they were hostiles and faced one of three outcomes. EVICTION, PRISON or DEATH

That is a lie.
Not only where the Arab deeds and bill of sales found to be valid by the British, but there is NO Jewish right to ownership at all. NONE!
And you lie when you claim that Arabs owning land in the half of the Palestine partition given to Israel were allowed to choose.
Millions of them were never allowed to return to the homes after the violence was over, and they are still in refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan, etc.
The UN was very clear that neither eviction, prison, or death was legal.
Israel has no right to do any of those 3 to ANYONE at all.

 

[Rigby5]

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No autonomous or distinct palestine

Aris, can you read in Arabic, where Jerusalem is marked in the large pink background, it calls the province "Jabbal Al Yahoodiah"?

Yahoodiah = Jewish region.

Or am I wrong? Check it out. There might be more to this map than you thought.

Jewish (....) Mount ( ...)
the script is hard to read

Jerusalem (...)
Al-Quds (...)‎

So on this Ottoman map that is about 500 years old at least, they referred to Mount Sinai as the "Jewish Mount", and no mention of Palestine or "Falstin". Very interesting.

That is foolish.
The Hebrew tribes lived in the Sinai, so Sinai equates to Hebrew.
So Mount Sinai would translate to Hebrew mountain.
But that does not mean anything.
It could refer to it being a desert like the Sinai.

 

[Rigby5]

Historical facts fly in the face of those who claim: "The Jews stole the land".

The "land" was Ottoman Empire territory for 600 years, and then under the control of the British after WWI once the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

Get it right, the Arabs had no say or control over what happened to the land for 800 years. In fact, the Ottomans who CONQUERED the Arabs were enemies:

The whole mid-East problem is a Muslim schism wrapped inside a Persian/Turk struggle to determine who will rule the Arabs.

Lines drawn by dead Brits only complicate the problem.

We should back off and let them solve it themselves.

Hence the reason the Turks and Saudis gave rise to ISIS, in order to stop and reverse the expansion of Shiite Iran. This ancient blood flood will never end. All the West needs to do is fan the flames and reap the rewards, as they have throughout history.

Wrong.
Since ISIS seems to know nothing about Islam, is mostly secular Sunni captured by the US, and intentionally trying to make Muslims look bad, it is almost for sure that it is Israel and the US who created ISIS.

 

[Rigby5]

View attachment 33096

No autonomous or distinct palestine

Aris, can you read in Arabic, where Jerusalem is marked in the large pink background, it calls the province "Jabbal Al Yahoodiah"?

Yahoodiah = Jewish region.

Or am I wrong? Check it out. There might be more to this map than you thought.

Jewish (...) Mount ( ...)
the script is hard to read

Jerusalem (...)
Al-Quds (...)‎

So on this Ottoman map that is about 500 years old at least, they referred to Mount Sinai as the "Jewish Mount", and no mention of Palestine or "Falstin". Very interesting.

Judaean Mountain range that includes Mt. Zion and Mt. Moriah

Mt Sinai is down by St.Catherines near the southern tip of the Sinai

Thanks I confused the two. How come they didn't call it the Palestinian Mountains?

1. The Judaean Mountains, also Judaean Hills and Hebron Hills, is a mountain range in Israel and the West Bank where Jerusalem and several other biblical cities are located. The mountains reach a height of 1,000 m. Wikipedia

The invading Hebrew were not called Jews until they became associated with existing Canaanite names, like Jerusalem, Judea, Jordan, etc. Those are Arab names, not Jewish names.

 

[member]

Historical facts fly in the face of those who claim: "The Jews stole the land".

The "land" was Ottoman Empire territory for 600 years, and then under the control of the British after WWI once the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

Get it right, the Arabs had no say or control over what happened to the land for 800 years. In fact, the Ottomans who CONQUERED the Arabs were enemies:

The whole mid-East problem is a Muslim schism wrapped inside a Persian/Turk struggle to determine who will rule the Arabs.

Lines drawn by dead Brits only complicate the problem.

We should back off and let them solve it themselves.

Hence the reason the Turks and Saudis gave rise to ISIS, in order to stop and reverse the expansion of Shiite Iran. This ancient blood flood will never end. All the West needs to do is fan the flames and reap the rewards, as they have throughout history.

Wrong.
Since ISIS seems to know nothing about Islam, is mostly secular Sunni captured by the US, and intentionally trying to make Muslims look bad, it is almost for sure that it is Israel and the US who created ISIS.

". . .it is almost for sure that it is Israel and the US who created ISIS."

what an outreagous thing to say...



they ...created themselves....

 

[Shusha]

but there is NO Jewish right to ownership at all. NONE!

You don't seem to be very clear what you are arguing here. You, like many, are attempting to conflate private property ownership with sovereignty. You, like many, use this as a way to restrict Jewish rights at both ends of the candle, as it were. Because, apparently, you think there should be different rules for Jews. Sigh. Where have we heard that before?

So, to be clear:

You are arguing that the right to purchase property should be withheld from people who are Jewish?!

and/or

You are arguing that the right to self-determination should be withheld from people who are Jewish?

 

[Shusha]

Those are Arab names, not Jewish names.

You are trying to make the term "Arab" a catch-all phrase which encompasses the entire MENA region, going backwards for all time. You do this for the distinct purpose of erasing "Jewish" as a separate ethnic or cultural group indigenous in the area.

You explicitly reject the idea that this catch-all phrase of "Arab" is a result of conquest, invasion and colonization. You do this for the distinct purpose of erasing "Jewish" as a separate ethnic or cultural group indigenous in the area.

What you don't seem to realize is that by erasing any sub-group of the region, you are not only erasing Jewish culture, but also ALL the individual cultures which exist in the MENA region. You are erasing EVERYBODY. (Well, unless you have that double standard thing going on.)

If you argue that there is no cultural or ethnic differentiation between Canaanites and Philistines and Phoenicians and Egyptians and Assyrians and Moabites and Midianites and Aramaeans because they were all "Arabs", then you are arguing against the existence of ALL these cultures, as separate and distinct cultures. If there is no cultural or ethnic or national differentiation between Syria and Egypt and Jordan and Iraq and Lebanon and Iran and Saudia Arabia and all the others and Israel, because they are all "Arab", then you are arguing against the existence of ALL of these states. Further, you are arguing that France can't exist, nor can Spain or Portugal or Belgium or Switzerland or Germany, because they are all just Europeans.

The Jewish people originated in that territory, in that land. There they developed and differentiated themselves from all other peoples -- developing their own language, religion, laws, myths, stories, history, customs, celebrations, holidays, and rituals. Pretending they didn't, or pretending they don't exist, or pretending they don't "count" is ... well ... you know what it is.