Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by NATO AIR, Sep 25, 2004.
more evidence for the hope that the SE Asian model of Islam will be the future for Islam.
I remember Malaysia's last Prime Minister saying the Jews run this whole show and wonder how many Muslims there would lump in Darfur with all the Jews' evil conspiracies for every one fasting flower child.
It better than nothing, but you gotta love these fasting schedules:
What are these people, ravenous eaters? After an hour the pressure to EAT gets too much, lol!
Wow, SIX whole hours! I can do that in my sleep!
You get paid every hour you don't eat! Now thats what I call, 'Fast' cash!
Sponsors for fasting...thats a new one.
When we fast for Church we give up the money we would have spent on food for the day for the poor. ive never heard of fasting with sponsors though. doesnt seem like much of a sacrifice. especially if its only 6 hours. but i suppose its better than nothing.
its for charity for teenagers to help children in darfur by gaining sponsorship from adults. they're teenagers mostly, not grown mature adults. frankly, given the mental state of many of the sailors i serve with and teenagers i know and love (sex, girls/boys, parties, fun, sleep, possessions, status), getting most of them to fast for an hour would be as impossible as getting jabba the hut to willingly donate to the jedi orphan fund (or any other charity for that matter)
its not perfect, but its better than silence or open support for the sudanese government.
i find the SE Asian blend of Islam to be generally open to democracy (look at Indonesia's recent peaceful elections), generally open to foreigners and diverse groups (Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc) and headed towards greater economic, social and political prosperity.
It is a lot better than the Arab blend.
We should be supporting and having more of a dialogue with these Muslims (despite their leader's mistakes, like the Malaysian PM you mentioned) rather than focusing all our energies on the Middle East.
The Middle East is worthy of great attention and effort,but we should also upgrade and recalibrate our efforts in SE Asia and India.
NATO, I agree that the Islamic countries in Southeast Asia are generally more moderate (how could they possibly be less moderate?) than the Arab brand of Wahhabism or extreme Shi'a Islam as practiced in Iran. Nevertheless, the existing Malaysian attitudes as characterized by its former Malaysian Prime Minister, Mahathir Mohamad, border on neo-Nazism.
i agree there are problems with their viewpoint (these are long held myths about jews that NEED to be addressed and debunked, its happening in singapore but i'm not sure about the rest of SE Asia right now)
nevertheless, for the record, i consider the ADL and its ilk to be heavily corrupted by a sickening lack of respect for free speech or even valid debate. criticize israel in nearly any fashion and you earn a rebuke from the ADL and/or its ilk.
(i know this well, a few years ago i was pulled out of a college debate sponsored by a jewish student organization and a christian student organization by a moderator because i said the israelis had violated the oslo accords as badly as the palestinians did... when presented with valid evidence from CNN,BBC, CIA World Factbook and academia reports about Israeli violations on issues like settlements, military operations, land, etc etc, we were both told we were being anti-semetic and asked to leave the debate forum)
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