Making a Murderer...Netflix original and not to be missed.

[iamwhatiseem]

This documentary series is one of the best documentaries I have ever seen, and I watch a LOT.
You cannot miss this series. It is eye-opening to say the least. It is impossible to watch this show and not question our entire judicial system.
Just flat out insane story.
For those who don;t have Netflix..seriously...sign up for the free trial just to watch this show.

‘Making a Murderer’: Netflix Outshines ‘The Jinx’ With Stunning True-Crime Saga

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/21/a...a-new-documentary-series-on-netflix.html?_r=0

'Making a Murderer': A Gripping True-Crime Tale That Feels Like Fiction

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Netflix has also put the series on YouTube...seriously watch all of the episodes.
You will be shocked, disgusted and in disbelief like no other show before.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Bump

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I can't believe no one has commented on this thread...
Documentary now making national headlines calling for President Obama to pardon Steven Avery

Petition calls for pardon for subject of Netflix series 'Making a Murderer'

'Making a Murderer' Inspires Petitions Calling for Presidential Pardon for Steven Avery

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/a...king-a-murderer-spoilers-discussion.html?_r=0

 

[rightwinger]

I watched the ten hours waiting for a Perry Mason moment at the end...it never happened

I thought overall it was a biased documentary meant to gain sympathy for Steve Avery

If I were on the jury, I would have found Avery guilty. I thought his frame-up theories were too bizarre. No way the police could have done everything they were accused of and Avery's blood did not come from a vial

His nephew Brendan Dassey, however, I would have declared not guilty. His confession was blatantly coerced and there was no evidence supporting his bizarre confession. I don't think he raped the woman....seemed like a sexual fantasy a retarded 16 year old would come up with. But he had to know there was a body in that fire

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I watched the ten hours waiting for a Perry Mason moment at the end...it never happened

I thought overall it was a biased documentary meant to gain sympathy for Steve Avery

If I were on the jury, I would have found Avery guilty. I thought his frame-up theories were too bizarre. No way the police could have done everything they were accused of and Avery's blood did not come from a vial

His nephew Brendan Dassey, however, I would have declared not guilty. His confession was blatantly coerced and there was no evidence supporting his bizarre confession. I don't think he raped the woman....seemed like a sexual fantasy a retarded 16 year old would come up with. But he had to know there was a body in that fire

I definitely disagree...and so does virtually everyone else. I can't imagine anyone watching half of the show and thinking the prosecution was right.
You cannot convict someone based on "your thinking". You must ONLY consider the evidence the prosecution listed. And there is no way no shape no how he murdered this woman BASED ON THE PROSECUTION'S CASE.
Not one single solitary blood sampling from the garage where the prosecution said the murder took place.
That is impossible. 100% impossible. The fact that ALL of the "evidence" that was found besides the bones was found by one man...a man sued by Avery,,,an officer that was not even supposed to be on the premises, and his "evidence" was NOT found prior to him showing up despite 7 days of searching by outside investigators. That is simply unbelievable. And at the very least raises the doubt of that evidence to a reasonable doubt.
Again...as a juror you cannot base your decision on anything but what is presented by prosecution and the defense.
I do not know if Avery killed her, but without question it did not happen the way the prosecution said it did.
Keep in mind Avery was convicted of her murder based on him shooting her in the head IN THE GARAGE. His nephew was convicted based on the two of them torturing/raping and killing her in the TRAILER.
Now how could two people be convicted of the same crime...with 100% conflicting prosecution???

 

[rightwinger]

I do not buy that the woman was ever tied up on the bed or had sex there. There would be her sweat, saliva, hair, pubic hairs as well as Dasseys in the bed and bedroom. Nothing was found. That is why I think Dassey should have been let off.

Avery was a different story. He had the same woman out to take pictures of vehicles earlier. He met her at the door wearing a towel. On the day of the murder, he specifically asked for that woman to be sent out
In addition, his sweat was found under the hood and police had no access to his sweat.
I can buy police dropping a key at the trailer or even spreading some blood in the car. But not moving a car from a crime scene and then bringing a bag of her bones to the property. Too much of a risk for any policeman and it allows an obvious murderer to go free

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I do not buy that the woman was ever tied up on the bed or had sex there. There would be her sweat, saliva, hair, pubic hairs as well as Dasseys in the bed and bedroom. Nothing was found. That is why I think Dassey should have been let off.

Avery was a different story. He had the same woman out to take pictures of vehicles earlier. He met her at the door wearing a towel. On the day of the murder, he specifically asked for that woman to be sent out
In addition, his sweat was found under the hood and police had no access to his sweat.
I can buy police dropping a key at the trailer or even spreading some blood in the car. But not moving a car from a crime scene and then bringing a bag of her bones to the property. Too much of a risk for any policeman and it allows an obvious murderer to go free

Well there are other people who could have put the car there...you have to admit her ex-boyfriend did some truly questionable things immedietley after her disappearance and then he was also the one that told the two girls the area to start looking.
A super critical thing to think about RW - the state, with the SAME chief prosecutor...convicted two people of ONE murder with two completely different stories. How is that possible?
The chief prosecutor in open court, in his closing statement said "Theresa Halbach was not murdered in Steve Avery's trailer, she was murdered in his garage".
Yet a few months later he prosecutes Dassey based on her murdered in Steve Avery's trailer!!! It is almost impossible to believe the Wisconsin supreme court disallowed either one a new trial if for no other reason than that.
This whole story is haunting to say the least.

 

[rightwinger]

I do not buy that the woman was ever tied up on the bed or had sex there. There would be her sweat, saliva, hair, pubic hairs as well as Dasseys in the bed and bedroom. Nothing was found. That is why I think Dassey should have been let off.

Avery was a different story. He had the same woman out to take pictures of vehicles earlier. He met her at the door wearing a towel. On the day of the murder, he specifically asked for that woman to be sent out
In addition, his sweat was found under the hood and police had no access to his sweat.
I can buy police dropping a key at the trailer or even spreading some blood in the car. But not moving a car from a crime scene and then bringing a bag of her bones to the property. Too much of a risk for any policeman and it allows an obvious murderer to go free

Well there are other people who could have put the car there...you have to admit her ex-boyfriend did some truly questionable things immedietley after her disappearance and then he was also the one that told the two girls the area to start looking.
A super critical thing to think about RW - the state, with the SAME chief prosecutor...convicted two people of ONE murder with two completely different stories. How is that possible?
The chief prosecutor in open court, in his closing statement said "Theresa Halbach was not murdered in Steve Avery's trailer, she was murdered in his garage".
Yet a few months later he prosecutes Dassey based on her murdered in Steve Avery's trailer!!! It is almost impossible to believe the Wisconsin supreme court disallowed either one a new trial if for no other reason than that.
This whole story is haunting to say the least.

You have to believe that the police found a crime scene with her car and charred bones and decided to ignore an actual crime in favor of recreating one on the Avery property.
Then they had to enter the property to hide a car, put bones in a barrel and dump them outside Averys trailer...all with nobody seeing or saying anything

Netflix ignored a lot of the creepiness of Avery and his family. He, his brothers and nephews were not upstanding citizens

 

[rightwinger]

Brendon Dasseys conviction was overturned today

"Making a Murderer:" Brendan Dassey's conviction overturned - CNN.com


(CNN)The conviction of Brendan Dassey, a Wisconsin man who appeared in the documentary "Making a Murderer," has been overturned by a federal judge in Milwaukee, according to court documents obtained by CNN.

Dassey was convicted in 2005 in the murder of photographer Teresa Halbach.
Prosecutors have 90 days to bring Dassey, now 26, to trial again or he will be released.
His uncle, Steven Avery, featured in "Making a Murderer," is in a Wisconsin prison also serving time for Halbach's murder.

 

[PredFan]

I watched the ten hours waiting for a Perry Mason moment at the end...it never happened

I thought overall it was a biased documentary meant to gain sympathy for Steve Avery

If I were on the jury, I would have found Avery guilty. I thought his frame-up theories were too bizarre. No way the police could have done everything they were accused of and Avery's blood did not come from a vial

His nephew Brendan Dassey, however, I would have declared not guilty. His confession was blatantly coerced and there was no evidence supporting his bizarre confession. I don't think he raped the woman....seemed like a sexual fantasy a retarded 16 year old would come up with. But he had to know there was a body in that fire

I definitely disagree...and so does virtually everyone else. I can't imagine anyone watching half of the show and thinking the prosecution was right.
You cannot convict someone based on "your thinking". You must ONLY consider the evidence the prosecution listed. And there is no way no shape no how he murdered this woman BASED ON THE PROSECUTION'S CASE.
Not one single solitary blood sampling from the garage where the prosecution said the murder took place.
That is impossible. 100% impossible. The fact that ALL of the "evidence" that was found besides the bones was found by one man...a man sued by Avery,,,an officer that was not even supposed to be on the premises, and his "evidence" was NOT found prior to him showing up despite 7 days of searching by outside investigators. That is simply unbelievable. And at the very least raises the doubt of that evidence to a reasonable doubt.
Again...as a juror you cannot base your decision on anything but what is presented by prosecution and the defense.
I do not know if Avery killed her, but without question it did not happen the way the prosecution said it did.
Keep in mind Avery was convicted of her murder based on him shooting her in the head IN THE GARAGE. His nephew was convicted based on the two of them torturing/raping and killing her in the TRAILER.
Now how could two people be convicted of the same crime...with 100% conflicting prosecution???

Wrong. Most people who know the case and the facts disagree.

 

[PredFan]

We had a thread on this a while back. Someone posted some good links. The scumbag did it, Netflix is just making money.

 

[rightwinger]

We had a thread on this a while back. Someone posted some good links. The scumbag did it, Netflix is just making money.

I think Averey was guilty as hell

I think the kid got railroaded and bullied by the police and prosecutors

 

[PredFan]

We had a thread on this a while back. Someone posted some good links. The scumbag did it, Netflix is just making money.

I think Averey was guilty as hell

I think the kid got railroaded and bullied by the police and prosecutors

I don't know that much about the case. I just remember reading the thread here about it. I came away pretty sure he was guilty.

 

[waltky]

To be released within 90 days...

Making a Murderer subject Brendan Dassey's conviction overturned
Sat, 13 Aug 2016 - A US federal judge overturns the murder conviction of Brendan Dassey, whose case was examined in Netflix's popular Making a Murderer documentary.

Dassey, 26, will be released within 90 days, unless the state decides to retry him or there is an appeal. Dassey, who has learning difficulties, and his uncle Steven Avery were convicted of murdering a young woman, Teresa Halbach, in 2005. Avery and Dassey, who was 16 at the time, were sentenced to life in prison. On Friday, Judge William Duffin stated in the court ruling that investigators in the 2007 trial made false promises to Dassey by assuring him "he had nothing to worry about". "These repeated false promises, when considered in conjunction with all relevant factors, most especially Dassey's age, intellectual deficits, and the absence of a supportive adult, rendered Dassey's confession involuntary under the Fifth and 14th Amendments," the judge said.

Brendan Dassey (right) is escorted out of a courtroom.​

The Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution guarantees the right to a fair trial, including the right to silence. The 14th Amendment guarantees equal treatment before the law. The verdict comes after Dassey's appeal was rejected by state courts. Steven Drizin, Professor of law at Northwestern University, became involved in the push to have the conviction overturned. "I thought that this was a confession that was the result of police coercion," he told the BBC's Today programme. "These detectives had taken advantage of a young man who had severe learning difficulties. The only facts in the confession had been fed to him by the investigators." The case received wide attention in the US and across the world after the release of the 10-part documentary Making a Murderer in December 2015.

The filmmakers cast doubt on the legal process to convict Dassey and Avery. The documentary tells the real-life story of Avery, who was wrongfully imprisoned for 18 years for sexual assault. After his release, he was accused and found guilty of murdering Teresa Halbach, a photographer for Auto Trader Magazine. Ms Halbach's charred remains were found at Avery's car salvage yard a week after she had gone there to photograph a minivan for sale. The series focused on the conduct of law officials in Manitowoc County, Wisconsin, who risked a huge financial penalty over the first case.

Making a Murderer subject Brendan Dassey's conviction overturned - BBC News

 

[KokomoJojo]

I do not buy that the woman was ever tied up on the bed or had sex there. There would be her sweat, saliva, hair, pubic hairs as well as Dasseys in the bed and bedroom. Nothing was found. That is why I think Dassey should have been let off.

Avery was a different story. He had the same woman out to take pictures of vehicles earlier. He met her at the door wearing a towel. On the day of the murder, he specifically asked for that woman to be sent out
In addition, his sweat was found under the hood and police had no access to his sweat.
I can buy police dropping a key at the trailer or even spreading some blood in the car. But not moving a car from a crime scene and then bringing a bag of her bones to the property. Too much of a risk for any policeman and it allows an obvious murderer to go free

thats not how assassinations work generally, these things are rarely done personally with people who are connected/ One juror said they were scared shitless to to convict! Quote: "I live here, if it can happen to him it can happen to me"

What you see here is a systemic corruption within the US legal system on a national level from the beat cop to the supreme court. This case as well as a few others that are coming into the light prove how 'beyond' broken it really is. From its very inception it has been bathing in fraud.

Both those guys are innocent.

 

[KokomoJojo]

You have to believe that the police found a crime scene with her car and charred bones and decided to ignore an actual crime in favor of recreating one on the Avery property.
Then they had to enter the property to hide a car, put bones in a barrel and dump them outside Averys trailer...all with nobody seeing or saying anything

Netflix ignored a lot of the creepiness of Avery and his family. He, his brothers and nephews were not upstanding citizens

Where your approach fails is that you assume they walked in, for an example say Monday morning and by Monday evening that is a summary of what they found. No no no, that is not the way this investigation took place. They broke every fucking rule known to man to set that kid up.

 

[KokomoJojo]

I watched the ten hours waiting for a Perry Mason moment at the end...it never happened

I thought overall it was a biased documentary meant to gain sympathy for Steve Avery

If I were on the jury, I would have found Avery guilty. I thought his frame-up theories were too bizarre. No way the police could have done everything they were accused of and Avery's blood did not come from a vial

His nephew Brendan Dassey, however, I would have declared not guilty. His confession was blatantly coerced and there was no evidence supporting his bizarre confession. I don't think he raped the woman....seemed like a sexual fantasy a retarded 16 year old would come up with. But he had to know there was a body in that fire

It was proven the same club framed him for the rape that he spent 18 years in the pen for, proven, he was about to win a 36 million dollar settlement, most of which would have had to come from the people involved because of willful negligence and a host of other violations, so the cities insurance under those conditions do not have to pay, they do out of pocket. That siut was in the bag. 2 weeks after the perps who framed him depositions were taken halbach turns up dead with '2 in the hat' <-- do you know that that means?

There is no perry mason moment in a trial like this and murder is beyond reasonable doubt, and this case is more like unbelievable impossibilities.

Here check this gal out, (skip to the 2:15 mark), I hope she gets into the legal profession on the good guys side.



Here is zellners motion

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...on-for-Post-Conviction-Scientific-Testing.pdf


and the complaint:

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf

here is the latest interview with zellner




Yet another problem with this legal system is the rules for appeal, if you find fraud after your appeal has been denied its too bad, you will never get the opportunity to prove it. I can go on and on and on about the injustices of the 'just-US' club.


If you want to see what you missed from the documentary the first gal does a pretty good job and lists about 80% of the problems with this case and there are many more. So the first one is a really good start to understand the problems of the case.

Then listen to zellner (the last clip) and she explains another 18% of what was wrong with that case.

What this shows is just how easy it is for the gvmnt to commit crimes and fuck over innocent people and how they are supported all the way to the top.

They are both innocent.

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[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - don't count yer chickens a-fore dey hatch...

Here's why Making A Murderer's Brendan Dassey may not be released from jail just yet
Sep 10, 2016 - Wisconsin's attorney general is appealing a ruling that overturned the conviction of a man accused of helping his uncle kill a woman in a case documented in the Netflix series Making a Murderer.

A federal magistrate judge ruled on August 12 that investigators used deceptive tactics to coerce Brendan Dassey to confess to helping Steven Avery rape and kill photographer Teresa Halbach in 2005. Dassey was 16 at the time. Republican Attorney General Brad Schimel's office appealed against the ruling to the 7th US Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday.

His office filed notice of appeal with the court, but documents outlining the state's arguments will come later. The judge ordered that Dassey be released within 90 days, unless prosecutors appealed or retried him. Dassey and Avery are serving life sentences.

Here's why Making A Murderer's Brendan Dassey may not be released from jail just yet - AOL Entertainment UK

 

[Bloodmage2580]

I watched the ten hours waiting for a Perry Mason moment at the end...it never happened

I thought overall it was a biased documentary meant to gain sympathy for Steve Avery

If I were on the jury, I would have found Avery guilty. I thought his frame-up theories were too bizarre. No way the police could have done everything they were accused of and Avery's blood did not come from a vial

His nephew Brendan Dassey, however, I would have declared not guilty. His confession was blatantly coerced and there was no evidence supporting his bizarre confession. I don't think he raped the woman....seemed like a sexual fantasy a retarded 16 year old would come up with. But he had to know there was a body in that fire

I watched the ten hours waiting for a Perry Mason moment at the end...it never happened

I thought overall it was a biased documentary meant to gain sympathy for Steve Avery

If I were on the jury, I would have found Avery guilty. I thought his frame-up theories were too bizarre. No way the police could have done everything they were accused of and Avery's blood did not come from a vial

His nephew Brendan Dassey, however, I would have declared not guilty. His confession was blatantly coerced and there was no evidence supporting his bizarre confession. I don't think he raped the woman....seemed like a sexual fantasy a retarded 16 year old would come up with. But he had to know there was a body in that fire

Brendon Dasseys conviction was overturned today

"Making a Murderer:" Brendan Dassey's conviction overturned - CNN.com


(CNN)The conviction of Brendan Dassey, a Wisconsin man who appeared in the documentary "Making a Murderer," has been overturned by a federal judge in Milwaukee, according to court documents obtained by CNN.

Dassey was convicted in 2005 in the murder of photographer Teresa Halbach.
Prosecutors have 90 days to bring Dassey, now 26, to trial again or he will be released.
His uncle, Steven Avery, featured in "Making a Murderer," is in a Wisconsin prison also serving time for Halbach's murder.

First of all the show was not bias, nor did it show sympathy, all the show did was interview both sides, provide facts and give us a timeline...how you precieve does not provide proof for either side.....futhurmore, the fact that so many laws and rules and policies that were set to be fair in the first place was purposely not followed and broken and all of these people and proffessionals for that matter who watched it can sit there and say he's guilty like there was nothing wrong is exactly the problem with the country today......why do we need court systems...he looks guilty, put him in jail. I don't like your lifestyle, put him in jail....your creepy and I don't have proof but I know your not an upstanding citizen, put him in jail. Really people? Land of the free and justice for all, yea ok! The shear possibility that two officers who were proven to have knowledge of his innocence the 1st time and didn't care with their jobs on the line, and county with no means to pay a lawsuit they were in danger of losing could set up a man they had a disstain for is completely impossible. Right? Because until this day, we don't have innocence people in jail and we certainly don't have crooked cops. From what I c, no one wants the truth, they just want him in jail.