LWIR FAILS to Warm the Atmosphere by Empirical Experiment.

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm with Todd here. Here is everything I could find you saying about this tube.

A 30 meter long tube was filled with atmospheric value gases. The tube was constructed such that the tube itself was not reactive to LWIR and was insulated to stop energy loss to the room. The ends were opaque and thermo-couplers (accurate to 0.001 Deg C +/-0.003) were positioned throught the length of the tube.They were shielded from LWIR to make sure there were no erroneous readings obtained.

As for the tube, it was made of ceramics which was non-LWIR reactive. So it did not warm with the amount of LWIR we were directing through it. IT was our attempt at keeping the only thing which could warm was the atmosphere in the tube. Ceramics, when warmed, take very little convective energy to warm or cool so they will not adversely affect the outcome of the experiments. Insulating was made much easier as well.

The design of the structure, to do testing, was such that LWIR did not warm it. This was by design to stop convective and conductive interference allowing us to see exactly how the atmosphere reacts.

It exited the tube without causing warming.. We measured the output of the tube to determine how much was being passed through the coulomb. essentially its like putting a spotlight at one end of a tunnel, then watching the light exit the tunnel onto a wall (receptor pad) at the other end.

I know of no transparent or even translucent ceramics. Detectors, by design, would be completely opaque. Where did the energy go?

Tell us something. Could you show us the relationship between CO2 levels and the amount of LWIR received at the end of the tube? For example, with CO2 at 10%, what were the received levels at the far end of the tube from the moment your energized your LW source till you considered the run complete.

Why don't you talk to NASA they developed the ceramics for use on space craft.

Did space craft ceramics make heat disappear? Or just your ceramics?

 

[Billy_Bob]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no wavelengths to lose energy so it returns the energy to the surface by conduction only.

Where are you getting this bull shit?

Just WOW! You telling me that LWIR is now stopped because the atmosphere has nothing to stop it?

What are you smoking?

 

[Crick]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no absorption bands. It is transparent to LWIR. Get it?

Again, where does 24 hours worth of 396W/m^2 go to in this experiment of yours?

 

[Billy_Bob]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no absorption bands. It is transparent to LWIR. Get it?

Again, where does 24 hours worth of 396W/m^2 go to in this experiment of yours?

IF THERE IS NOTHING TO ABSORB IT, IT PASSES UNRESTRICTED!

LOL
And you say you have scientific background.....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no absorption bands. It is transparent to LWIR. Get it?

Again, where does 24 hours worth of 396W/m^2 go to in this experiment of yours?

IF THERE IS NOTHING TO ABSORB IT, IT PASSES UNRESTRICTED!

LOL
And you say you have scientific background.....

IF THERE IS NOTHING TO ABSORB IT, IT PASSES UNRESTRICTED!

It can't pass unrestricted, your damn tube is opaque and insulated.

 

[IanC]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no wavelengths to lose energy so it returns the energy to the surface by conduction only.

Where are you getting this bull shit?

Just WOW! You telling me that LWIR is now stopped because the atmosphere has nothing to stop it?

What are you smoking?

A nitrogen atmosphere would neither absorb nor emit thermal IR. The emissivity would be very close to zero in the thermal bands.

The surface would lose all of its thermal IR directly to space at the speed of light. None would be captured and recycled by the atmosphere.

I have explained all this dozens of times in the past and you ignored it. I have little hope that you will grasp the concept any time soon.

 

[SSDD]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no absorption bands. It is transparent to LWIR. Get it?

Tell that to jupiter, saturn, neptune etc...There are several non GHG atmospheres in the solar system that prove your fantasy wrong.

 

[SSDD]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no absorption bands. It is transparent to LWIR. Get it?

Again, where does 24 hours worth of 396W/m^2 go to in this experiment of yours?

IF THERE IS NOTHING TO ABSORB IT, IT PASSES UNRESTRICTED!

LOL
And you say you have scientific background.....

Guess they don't realize that there are several non GHG atmospheres in the solar system that prove their magic wrong. Ignoring observable, measurable evidence over unobservable, unmeasurable, untestable models...so it goes with the greenhouse gas cult.

 

[Crick]

What planets would those be?

 

[Crick]

Again you have no concept of the experiment.

Its amazing how reading comprehension problems affect alarmists..

Our concept of the experiment is based ENTIRELY on your explanations. If we're not getting it (and I don't see anyone here who is) perhaps you might try clarifying some of these points by answering our questions.

 

[Crick]

RE SSDD's non-GHG planets

Jupiter's atmosphere is predominantly hydrogen and helium but contains small amounts of ammonia, methane and water vapor (GHGs).

Saturn's atmosphere is the same. Predominantly hydrogen and helium but containing small amounts of ammonia, methane and water vapor (GHGs).

Uranus and Neptune are similarly composed primarily of hydrogen and helium but both contain relatively high (1.5%) levels of methane, a powerful GHG.

Mars has perhaps the weakest greenhouse effect of any of the planets that actually possess an atmosphere (ie, excluding Mercury and Pluto). Though there is CO2 in Mars' atmosphere, the atmosphere as a whole is so thin it is unable to retain any significant amount of heat.

Titan is perhaps the most interesting example. It possesses atmospheric components that produce both a greenhouse effect and and anti-greenhouse effect. The atmosphere is primarily nitrogen, but the presence of methane oceans on the moon provide for a high methane content in the atmosphere. The anti-greenhouse effect is produced by an organic haze high in the atmosphere that is partially, reflectively opaque to direct solar irradiance but transparent to LWIR. See https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/1991/91-143.txt

So, Shit, have you a different set of facts?

Greenhouse effects... also on other planets

Greenhouse effect on other planets - Energy Education

Greenhouse effect on other planets?

Greenhouse effect on planets

NASA - TROPICAL ‘RUNAWAY GREENHOUSE’ PROVIDES INSIGHT TO VENUS

What Is the Greenhouse Effect?

 

[Billy_Bob]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no absorption bands. It is transparent to LWIR. Get it?

Again, where does 24 hours worth of 396W/m^2 go to in this experiment of yours?

You moron... Transparent; means it has no way to interact with the energy. IT MEANS THAT IT CAN NOT STOP IT.... Nice to see you agree with what we found empirically! Are you done running around in circles?

 

[Billy_Bob]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no wavelengths to lose energy so it returns the energy to the surface by conduction only.

Where are you getting this bull shit?

Just WOW! You telling me that LWIR is now stopped because the atmosphere has nothing to stop it?

What are you smoking?

A nitrogen atmosphere would neither absorb nor emit thermal IR. The emissivity would be very close to zero in the thermal bands.

The surface would lose all of its thermal IR directly to space at the speed of light. None would be captured and recycled by the atmosphere.

I have explained all this dozens of times in the past and you ignored it. I have little hope that you will grasp the concept any time soon.

IF earth were a nitrogen atmosphere we would be an ice cube in space... But this is the earth were talking about and our atmosphere is very different.

 

[Crick]

Yes.

 

[IanC]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no absorption bands. It is transparent to LWIR. Get it?

Again, where does 24 hours worth of 396W/m^2 go to in this experiment of yours?

You moron... Transparent; means it has no way to interact with the energy. IT MEANS THAT IT CAN NOT STOP IT.... Nice to see you agree with what we found empirically! Are you done running around in circles?

Opaque is the opposite to transparent. Why did you say your experiment was opaque to LWIR if you meant the opposite ?

CO2 is highly reactive to 15 micron thermal radiation, and the mean free path is only two metres near the surface at STP. In other words, opaque.

 

[IanC]

The non-GHG atmosphere has no wavelengths to lose energy so it returns the energy to the surface by conduction only.

Where are you getting this bull shit?

Just WOW! You telling me that LWIR is now stopped because the atmosphere has nothing to stop it?

What are you smoking?

A nitrogen atmosphere would neither absorb nor emit thermal IR. The emissivity would be very close to zero in the thermal bands.

The surface would lose all of its thermal IR directly to space at the speed of light. None would be captured and recycled by the atmosphere.

I have explained all this dozens of times in the past and you ignored it. I have little hope that you will grasp the concept any time soon.

IF earth were a nitrogen atmosphere we would be an ice cube in space... But this is the earth were talking about and our atmosphere is very different.

I agree that the Earth would be much colder without GHGs.

But I thought you were saying the opposite, that GHGs make no difference?

 

[IanC]

One more attempt at explaining how GHGs warm the atmosphere.

Elastic collisions result in both objects recoiling with the same amount of kinetic energy as they entered with.

Inelastic collisions have a different amount of kinetic energy because some amount of potential energy has been stored or released as a result of the collision.

Near the surface CO2 absorbs more energy than it emits. That energy is transformed into kinetic speed (temperature) by collision. Warming.

Near the top of the atmosphere CO2 emits radiation to space using energy that it got from collisions which resulted in vibrational states. Cooling

There is more 15 micron radiation produced at the 15C surface than at the -50C TOA. That energy is stored in the atmosphere until it finds a different path out.

 

[Old Rocks]

One more attempt at explaining how GHGs warm the atmosphere.

Elastic collisions result in both objects recoiling with the same amount of kinetic energy as they entered with.

Inelastic collisions have a different amount of kinetic energy because some amount of potential energy has been stored or released as a result of the collision.

Near the surface CO2 absorbs more energy than it emits. That energy is transformed into kinetic speed (temperature) by collision. Warming.

Near the top of the atmosphere CO2 emits radiation to space using energy that it got from collisions which resulted in vibrational states. Cooling

There is more 15 micron radiation produced at the 15C surface than at the -50C TOA. That energy is stored in the atmosphere until it finds a different path out.

Or transfers that energy to the oceans.

 

[SSDD]

What planets would those be?

Maybe you can get an adult to help you out with this...

 

[SSDD]

One more attempt at explaining how GHGs warm the atmosphere.

Elastic collisions result in both objects recoiling with the same amount of kinetic energy as they entered with.

Inelastic collisions have a different amount of kinetic energy because some amount of potential energy has been stored or released as a result of the collision.

Near the surface CO2 absorbs more energy than it emits. That energy is transformed into kinetic speed (temperature) by collision. Warming.

Near the top of the atmosphere CO2 emits radiation to space using energy that it got from collisions which resulted in vibrational states. Cooling

There is more 15 micron radiation produced at the 15C surface than at the -50C TOA. That energy is stored in the atmosphere until it finds a different path out.

Pure fantasy without the first piece of observed, measured evidence to support it.