LWIR FAILS to Warm the Atmosphere by Empirical Experiment.

[Billy_Bob]

I haven't the faintest fuck of an idea what you're talking about with "react to LWIR". There are three things it could do: reflect, absorb or transmit and will usually do some combination of the three. There is no "no reaction" option. Your material is completely opaque to visible light making it extremely unlikely that it is transparent to LW.

Every material used on the shuttle emitted (and thus absorbed) LWIR. There is absolutely no reason an ablative or non-ablative heat shield material should be designed to not absorb LWIR and several significant reasons indicating it should. Where have you gotten the idea that a heat shield wouldn't "react" with LWIR?

Instead of playing these stupid games, why don't you tell us precisely what your tube was made of. If you don't know, man up and tell us so.

Billy is a troll. If he was serious, he would give us a blueprint or drawing or a photograph of his experiment and preliminary data. He seems to be playing the people in this thread that think he is nuts. He just want's attention to waste our time.

LOL

The technical paper will be out soon enough... Until then I will only talk about it in generalities... Heat shields are made to be inactive to LWIR and able to release energy from friction.. You folks are idiots and all you see is your beloved AGW lie... You ignore the real science being done to tout your power grab...

 

[Crick]

A heat shield needs to get rid of heat through conduction and radiation. Silica block tiles on the shuttle were extremely poor conductors, by design. Thus your contention makes no sense.

And none of what you've said goes one angstrom towards explaining what happened to the heat energy you put into the system.

 

[Wuwei]

The technical paper will be out soon enough... Until then I will only talk about it in generalities... Heat shields are made to be inactive to LWIR and able to release energy from friction.. You folks are idiots and all you see is your beloved AGW lie... You ignore the real science being done to tout your power grab...

Ad hominem does not make your point. And just as I expected you have no experimental apparatus.

 

[Billy_Bob]

For the two morons who don't have a clue... Some basic tents on which the experiments are based.

1. All components of our atmosphere have reactivity points with energy passing through our atmosphere. (Note: energy "passing through' as it does not reside and has no capability to stop it).

This means we were looking precisely at those points to see what effect it actually has.

2. The method includes focused energy, at specific wavelengths, and carefully measured at input and exit of the closed system. (9.14M tube at 914.4mm in diameter - made of ceramic ash which is not reactive to LWIR in the bands of 5-100um. Ends were polished glass causing no interference or diffusion.)

The design is specific to reflect back into the gas all LWIR inside the tube. Then we placed sensors throught the tube to measure the reactions. Noting any gradient from input to exit and overall changes.

3. Understanding how each component of our atmosphere reacts at the molecular level was the first step filling the tube with various levels of one gas and nitrogen which is nonreactive to LWIR.

We took a look at what went in, what was passed, and what was reflected off the walls all while noting temperature changes within the cylinder.

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

The second lesson was the molecules only accept energy within their reactive regions and all other energy is passed unaltered. So while we introduced 394w/m^2 of 5-100um radiation only 4% was expected to be affected without water vapor. Given the mass of the tube little or no warming can occur or was observed (at 1 atmosphere pressure and current concentrations of gasses). The output of the tube reflected only 1.8% change in output and a 0.7% reflected from the top of the tube.

Essentially we found that the atmosphere passed 99.2% of all radiation in the LWIR band unaltered, reflected 0.7% leaving just 0.1% reacting to the atmosphere, absent water vapor. This is why there is no warming found within the tube. We didn't find warming when the tube was 50% CO2 and 50%Nitrogen and very similar energy pass rates.

IF you want a molecular level interaction explanation you can wait for the paper.

We essentially explain why a desert can be 120 in the day time and 15 deg at night in very short order and why the polar regions can cool to maximum theoretically possible every night on earth. They are devoid of water vapor and CO2 can not retain heat.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Tell me moron, Will the energy in the electrical system in your home burn it down without a catalyst which is capable of enabling/using the energy?

Are you really that stupid? Cut one of the two hot wires on your 120V power and see how well your lights work. You claim to be pushing energy into a system from which it cannot escape. Where the fuck did it go fool?

Cut one of the two hot wires? There aren’t two hot wires you fking idiot. One is neutral and one is hot. And only hot lights a bulb when neutral is present and flow is to neutral. Hly fk

BTW, All one has to do is unplug the light. What happens to an open outlet? Does the wire produce energy even though the one lead is hot? Or does something need to draw that energy? A load? Maybe?

These idiots don't have a clue about energy flow or what is necessary to conduct it. The molecules in our atmosphere are much the same as the light bulb, if the energy is to small or the wrong value it can do nothing..

 

[IanC]

For the two morons who don't have a clue... Some basic tents on which the experiments are based.

1. All components of our atmosphere have reactivity points with energy passing through our atmosphere. (Note: energy "passing through' as it does not reside and has no capability to stop it).

This means we were looking precisely at those points to see what effect it actually has.

2. The method includes focused energy, at specific wavelengths, and carefully measured at input and exit of the closed system. (9.14M tube at 914.4mm in diameter - made of ceramic ash which is not reactive to LWIR in the bands of 5-100um. Ends were polished glass causing no interference or diffusion.)

The design is specific to reflect back into the gas all LWIR inside the tube. Then we placed sensors throught the tube to measure the reactions. Noting any gradient from input to exit and overall changes.

3. Understanding how each component of our atmosphere reacts at the molecular level was the first step filling the tube with various levels of one gas and nitrogen which is nonreactive to LWIR.

We took a look at what went in, what was passed, and what was reflected off the walls all while noting temperature changes within the cylinder.

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

The second lesson was the molecules only accept energy within their reactive regions and all other energy is passed unaltered. So while we introduced 394w/m^2 of 5-100um radiation only 4% was expected to be affected without water vapor. Given the mass of the tube little or no warming can occur or was observed (at 1 atmosphere pressure and current concentrations of gasses). The output of the tube reflected only 1.8% change in output and a 0.7% reflected from the top of the tube.

Essentially we found that the atmosphere passed 99.2% of all radiation in the LWIR band unaltered, reflected 0.7% leaving just 0.1% reacting to the atmosphere, absent water vapor. This is why there is no warming found within the tube. We didn't find warming when the tube was 50% CO2 and 50%Nitrogen and very similar energy pass rates.

IF you want a molecular level interaction explanation you can wait for the paper.

We essentially explain why a desert can be 120 in the day time and 15 deg at night in very short order and why the polar regions can cool to maximum theoretically possible every night on earth. They are devoid of water vapor and CO2 can not retain heat.

Haha haha. Another dump truck full of Billy Bob bullshit.

 

[Billy_Bob]

For the two morons who don't have a clue... Some basic tents on which the experiments are based.

1. All components of our atmosphere have reactivity points with energy passing through our atmosphere. (Note: energy "passing through' as it does not reside and has no capability to stop it).

This means we were looking precisely at those points to see what effect it actually has.

2. The method includes focused energy, at specific wavelengths, and carefully measured at input and exit of the closed system. (9.14M tube at 914.4mm in diameter - made of ceramic ash which is not reactive to LWIR in the bands of 5-100um. Ends were polished glass causing no interference or diffusion.)

The design is specific to reflect back into the gas all LWIR inside the tube. Then we placed sensors throught the tube to measure the reactions. Noting any gradient from input to exit and overall changes.

3. Understanding how each component of our atmosphere reacts at the molecular level was the first step filling the tube with various levels of one gas and nitrogen which is nonreactive to LWIR.

We took a look at what went in, what was passed, and what was reflected off the walls all while noting temperature changes within the cylinder.

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

The second lesson was the molecules only accept energy within their reactive regions and all other energy is passed unaltered. So while we introduced 394w/m^2 of 5-100um radiation only 4% was expected to be affected without water vapor. Given the mass of the tube little or no warming can occur or was observed (at 1 atmosphere pressure and current concentrations of gasses). The output of the tube reflected only 1.8% change in output and a 0.7% reflected from the top of the tube.

Essentially we found that the atmosphere passed 99.2% of all radiation in the LWIR band unaltered, reflected 0.7% leaving just 0.1% reacting to the atmosphere, absent water vapor. This is why there is no warming found within the tube. We didn't find warming when the tube was 50% CO2 and 50%Nitrogen and very similar energy pass rates.

IF you want a molecular level interaction explanation you can wait for the paper.

We essentially explain why a desert can be 120 in the day time and 15 deg at night in very short order and why the polar regions can cool to maximum theoretically possible every night on earth. They are devoid of water vapor and CO2 can not retain heat.

Haha haha. Another dump truck full of Billy Bob bullshit.

Another useless post...

Adhoms and attack the poster rather than debate the facts presented.. Thank you for admitting you don't have a clue and that you surrender...

 

[IanC]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

 

[Billy_Bob]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength.

How much shorter?

 

[IanC]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

Pointing out your foolish stupidity is not an ad hom when you actually are stupidly foolish.

 

[IanC]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength.

How much shorter?

That is bordering on disobeying the SLoT. Without extra energy being supplied by molecular collision, you cannot have a low energy photon go in and a high energy one come out.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I guess its time to show why you all are imbeciles....

First lets look at the reactivity of O2... In the graph below there are just two regions that O2 can react with energy passing through the atmosphere.

The Y axis is wavelength in nanometers. In the graph above it are the major components of our atmosphere and their reaction bands where LWIR can affect that component by absorption or emission..

We focused on outgoing LWIR. Our region of investigation was 5um to 100um. LWIR is not stopped by Oxygen and the region in the outgoing bands is less than 1% that can be affected. In a pure O2 environment the shear mass of earths atmosphere could not be warmed by outgoing LWIR.

Again, just as with O2 and Ozone, CO2 can only affect 4% of the radiation band. The amount of CO2 in our atmosphere is so minute that it is incapable of stopping outbound radiation. It theoretically affects just 4% of the total energy being emitted from the black body. CO2 has very low energy residency time and will not warm without a secondary molecule that can warm, with which it must collide. This hypothesis was proven correct by the experiment which removed water vapor from the atmosphere.

Its amazing how many people can not grasp this simple concept.

 

[Billy_Bob]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength.

How much shorter?

Within the band of reactivity..

 

[SSDD]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

Pointing out your foolish stupidity is not an ad hom when you actually are stupidly foolish.

Look whose talking...the guy who can't manage a single piece of observed, measured evidence to support his beliefs and still believes that he is the smartest guy in the room.

 

[SSDD]

Its amazing how many people can not grasp this simple concept.

They will ride that CO2 crazy train right over the cliff.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength.

How much shorter?

Within the band of reactivity..

Nice non-responsive answer.
What wavelength enters, what shorter wavelength leaves?
Use specific numbers.

 

[Billy_Bob]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength.

How much shorter?

That is bordering on disobeying the SLoT. Without extra energy being supplied by molecular collision, you cannot have a low energy photon go in and a high energy one come out.

I guess you need to explain what a Photon is then... Is it matter or is it an electromagnetic wave?

 

[Billy_Bob]

One important lesson observed, when cooler energy (LWIR at longer wave lengths) was introduced cooling of the cylinder was noted. This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength. Also energy which can not react (outside of reaction bands) with the molecule and will pass unaltered

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength.

How much shorter?

Within the band of reactivity..

Nice non-responsive answer.
What wavelength enters, what shorter wavelength leaves?
Use specific numbers.

We observed a 0.15um increase in wavelength.We bombarded CO2@100% concentration with 12um energy until it emitted at the same level then we bombarded CO2 with low energy (16um energy) it responds at a slightly shorter wave length increase until it cooled to the new level of the incoming energy.
IE: 12um >>>>>>>15.85um, 13um>>>15.85um, 14um>>>15.85um, 16um>>>16um... The spike in energy output was just above the new energy input. This indicates that it is warming mater to re-emit it until input equaled output at which time the spike disappeared. So the question remains, are we emitting photons that are matter or energy? Our work suggests it is matter. A question for another experiment to be sure.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hahahahaha. It is hard to imagine more stupidity packed into a short three sentence paragraph.

Proving once more you have no concept of how energy flows through our atmosphere. This experiment was designed to see how the atmosphere alone reacts to passing LWIR.. You care to refute the findings of this observed empirical evidence from experiment or are ahoms all you can muster?

This is an expected result as energy is consumed warming the matter (photon) to re-emit at sightly shorter wavelength.

How much shorter?

Within the band of reactivity..

Nice non-responsive answer.
What wavelength enters, what shorter wavelength leaves?
Use specific numbers.

We observed a 0.15um increase in wavelength.We bombarded CO2@100% concentration with 12um energy until it emitted at the same level then we bombarded CO2 with low energy (16um energy) it responds at a slightly shorter wave length increase until it cooled to the new level of the incoming energy.
IE: 12um >>>>>>>15.85um, 13um>>>15.85um, 14um>>>15.85um, 16um>>>16um... The spike in energy output was just above the new energy input. This indicates that it is warming mater to re-emit it until input equaled output at which time the spike disappeared. So the question remains, are we emitting photons that are matter or energy? Our work suggests it is matter. A question for another experiment to be sure.

We observed a 0.15um increase in wavelength.

An increase in wavelength? But you said a shorter wavelength.