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Lets just say I see no reason to be overly kind on these boards.The opening rant demonstrates your unfair, dishonest, and political immersion in an ideology that is not perfect.Are you trying to suggest that your liberal left wing democrat loving mainstream TV network sites are fair, honest and not immersed in a political and social engineering agendas?Here's another possibility: Conservatism requires less effort because it is based on Truth and Truth is inherently simple. Liberal takes more effort because it is based on lies and lies are inherently complicated.
Exhibit I.......
Exhibit II - Bripat....
If so, consider yourself a low level thinker.
Please remember that you don't talk for Jesus or the church.
You have no desire to follow Christ's counsel, OK.Lets just say I see no reason to be overly kind on these boards.The opening rant demonstrates your unfair, dishonest, and political immersion in an ideology that is not perfect.Are you trying to suggest that your liberal left wing democrat loving mainstream TV network sites are fair, honest and not immersed in a political and social engineering agendas?Here's another possibility: Conservatism requires less effort because it is based on Truth and Truth is inherently simple. Liberal takes more effort because it is based on lies and lies are inherently complicated.
Exhibit I.......
Exhibit II - Bripat....
If so, consider yourself a low level thinker.
Please remember that you don't talk for Jesus or the church.
Everyone is cocksure, so if they can dish it out then I expect them to not only take it, but defend themselves.
Otherwise, they are phonies and need to hear it.
Actually, I can speak for Jesus and do. So can you. Just because we are sometimes wrong and other times misinterpreted by the listener should not discourage us from doing what we should.
Are you trying to suggest that your liberal left wing democrat loving mainstream TV network sites are fair, honest and not immersed in a political and social engineering agendas?Here's another possibility: Conservatism requires less effort because it is based on Truth and Truth is inherently simple. Liberal takes more effort because it is based on lies and lies are inherently complicated.
Exhibit I.......
Exhibit II - Bripat....
If so, consider yourself a low level thinker.
You need to do a better job of explaining both of those comments, Jake.You have no desire to follow Christ's counsel, OK.Lets just say I see no reason to be overly kind on these boards.The opening rant demonstrates your unfair, dishonest, and political immersion in an ideology that is not perfect.Are you trying to suggest that your liberal left wing democrat loving mainstream TV network sites are fair, honest and not immersed in a political and social engineering agendas?Here's another possibility: Conservatism requires less effort because it is based on Truth and Truth is inherently simple. Liberal takes more effort because it is based on lies and lies are inherently complicated.
Exhibit I.......
Exhibit II - Bripat....
If so, consider yourself a low level thinker.
Please remember that you don't talk for Jesus or the church.
Everyone is cocksure, so if they can dish it out then I expect them to not only take it, but defend themselves.
Otherwise, they are phonies and need to hear it.
Actually, I can speak for Jesus and do. So can you. Just because we are sometimes wrong and other times misinterpreted by the listener should not discourage us from doing what we should.
No, you have never spoken for Jesus, you only think you do. You are engaged in low effort thinking.
I think anyone who thinks that if they think for themselves they are somehow wiser than those who rely on becoming informed or listening to the counsel of good people who have gone before them --- is fooling themselves.Are you trying to suggest that your liberal left wing democrat loving mainstream TV network sites are fair, honest and not immersed in a political and social engineering agendas?Here's another possibility: Conservatism requires less effort because it is based on Truth and Truth is inherently simple. Liberal takes more effort because it is based on lies and lies are inherently complicated.
Exhibit I.......
Exhibit II - Bripat....
If so, consider yourself a low level thinker.
I think anyone who relies on TV for their information is suspect.....as is anyone who has ever spent a minute with Drudge, Breitbart, CNS, or The Daily Caller....
I think anyone who thinks that if they think for themselves they are somehow wiser than those who rely on becoming informed or listening to the counsel of good people who have gone before them --- is fooling themselves.Are you trying to suggest that your liberal left wing democrat loving mainstream TV network sites are fair, honest and not immersed in a political and social engineering agendas?Here's another possibility: Conservatism requires less effort because it is based on Truth and Truth is inherently simple. Liberal takes more effort because it is based on lies and lies are inherently complicated.
Exhibit I.......
Exhibit II - Bripat....
If so, consider yourself a low level thinker.
I think anyone who relies on TV for their information is suspect.....as is anyone who has ever spent a minute with Drudge, Breitbart, CNS, or The Daily Caller....
Here's another possibility: Conservatism requires less effort because it is based on Truth and Truth is inherently simple. Liberal takes more effort because it is based on lies and lies are inherently complicated.
I think the author(s) of the study miss something....
As a Conservative, I rarely need to spend great amounts of time pondering the intellectual realms because those who came before me already have. For example:
I have no need to delve into the intricacies of the Second Amendment because I was taught the meaning of the clause by my elders/betters as a child. They were taught its meaning by their elders, and so on, back to the generation that wrote and approved the document.
It's not laziness for Conservatives. We just know what we believe and see no need to rehash it constantly in our heads. Apparently our more Centrist and Liberal associates need constant mental reexamination to prove to themselves that 2+2 does indeed still equal 4.
Here's another possibility: Conservatism requires less effort because it is based on Truth and Truth is inherently simple. Liberal takes more effort because it is based on lies and lies are inherently complicated.
Yes......supply facts, the truth and explain reality....and the lefty will say they don't care, they want what they want or believe what they believe........just like this report...show how stupid it is with evidence, and the lefty morons will deny it....
So we could have stopped at "Fire good!"?
So we could have stopped at "Fire good!"?
To a large degree, yes. So much of our "advancement" has come at a cost to our Morals and Values that it's actually a net loss to society as a whole.
Earlier today, I saw a post in another part of USMB. In that post, a member claimed that left-leaning people are "the most intolerant of people." Reading that, I thought, "Hmm...That doesn't seem like the liberals and left leaners whom I know well enough to know their politics. I think I'll look to see if there's been any scholarly/credible research into that." Lo and behold, there was, and I shared it in that thread.
In the course of researching the veracity of the other member's claim, I came across a collection of studies titled "Low-Effort Thought Promotes Political Conservatism." I couldn't help but laugh when I read the title -- hell, I'm still laughing over it -- for it asserted what I've often observed in the quality and sources of the majority of fatuous remarks I come by on USMB, in the conservative press and conservative blogosphere. Of course, inanity isn't bridled to the remarks USMB's conservatives make. Donald Trump daily has at least a few frivolous and/or asinine thoughts he utters to the whole world.
For as often as I see conservatives remarking here on how stupid or absurd be liberals and their ideas, I thought I'd share some of the findings of the study noted above. So, without further ado from the study:
Finally, I got toward the end of the paper and read this, "Many have suggested that liberals and conservatives differ in the way they think, with those on the right of the political spectrum thought to process information in more simple-minded terms (Adorno et al., 1950; Stone, 1980; Tetlock, 1983)." The authors of the study noted above are not making precisely that claim; however, I'm still going to read those other articles.
- The drunker one is, the more conservative one's political views --> "Bar patrons reported more conservative attitudes as their level of alcohol intoxication increased....As BAC [blood alcohol content] increased and capacity for deliberative thought decreased, liberal and conservative participants shifted toward conservatism....Our data are correlational, and the possibility of reverse causality remains—political conservatives may drink more alcohol."
- The harder/more one must think, the more conservative one's political views --> "Participants under cognitive load reported more conservative attitudes than those not under cognitive load. Because cognitive load depletes available mental resources, participants were left to draw more heavily on thinking that was easy and efficient....Cognitive load also produced a corresponding shift in liberal attitudes; when under load, participants’ endorsement of political liberalism decreased."
- The less time one is able to devote to thinking, the more conservative one's views --> "When effortful thinking was disrupted by rapid presentation of words and phrases related to political conservatism, endorsement of these terms increased. Endorsement of terms related to political liberalism was not affected by time pressure. Time pressure forces reliance on information processing that is quick and efficient."
- People often may arrive at conservative stances not because they've thought "long and hard" about the topic, but because they ran out of time to think rigorously about it --> "Because political conservatism is thought to provide stability and certainty, our participants may have been drawn to it when under load and time pressure. If our claim that low-effort thought promotes conservative ideology is correct, it should be possible to increase conservatism via low effort thought independent of epistemic needs."
- Perfunctory thought process lead to conservative views --> "[L]ow-effort thought promotes political conservatism. When instructed to use shallow processing, political conservatism generated more agreement than when participants were instructed to think hard. Those instructed to use shallow processing had poorer recall at the end of the study, and recall accuracy was partially responsible for the link between processing style and conservatism."
The authors also write, "Without the means or motive to override an initial impulse that promotes conservative ideology, the political scales may be tipped toward the right of center and may provide a contributing explanation for what has been described as a conservative bias in American politics." Well, I bet there are tons of folks around who intuitively knew that, but it's nice that rigorous research has show it to be so. <winks>
Important Note:
As much as the liberals here may want to do so or think so, it's essential that one note that Eidelman et al "do not assert that conservatives fail to engage in effortful, deliberative thought but rather that disengagement of effortful thinking leads to cognitions consonant with political conservatism." In other words, it's not that conservatives are "low effort" thinkers, but rather than "low effort" thinkers more often espouse conservative stances.
In terms of actionable take-aways from the paper, if one encounters someone making an inane remark, find out if they are a conservative. If so, buy them a drink. Alternatively, rent a hotel room for them and tuck them in so you can go back to chatting with the "grown ups.". LOL
Post Script:
The authors of the study have a wicked sense of humor. In their conclusion to the paper, they remark, "Low-effort thinking promotes political conservatism. This claim provides a counterweight to early psychological perspectives on political ideology that tended to see conservatism in somewhat pathological terms (Adorno et al., 1950)." LOL Didn't Bernie Sanders refer to Trump as being a "pathological liar?"
I think my work here is done....
Yes. And apparently more than you.I think anyone who thinks that if they think for themselves they are somehow wiser than those who rely on becoming informed or listening to the counsel of good people who have gone before them --- is fooling themselves.Are you trying to suggest that your liberal left wing democrat loving mainstream TV network sites are fair, honest and not immersed in a political and social engineering agendas?Here's another possibility: Conservatism requires less effort because it is based on Truth and Truth is inherently simple. Liberal takes more effort because it is based on lies and lies are inherently complicated.
Exhibit I.......
Exhibit II - Bripat....
If so, consider yourself a low level thinker.
I think anyone who relies on TV for their information is suspect.....as is anyone who has ever spent a minute with Drudge, Breitbart, CNS, or The Daily Caller....
So being told what to think is better than thinking?
Have you given this any thought?
Not certain about that.
However, you rarely see a conservative make a nuanced argument unless you're seeing her/him defend their messiah Trump.
Other than that, if they are not interested in nuances and are only capable of internalizing soundbytes.
Atheists and agnostics likely to be liberals.
And you are going to tell us about low level thinkers.
Lets just say I see no reason to be overly kind on these boards.
Everyone is cocksure, so if they can dish it out then I expect them to not only take it, but defend themselves.
I think anyone who thinks that if they think for themselves they are somehow wiser than those who rely on becoming informed or listening to the counsel of good people who have gone before them --- is fooling themselves.
The hard right is deficient in critical thinking.
The hard left is incredibly intolerant of all opposition.
I think the author(s) of the study miss something....
As a Conservative, I rarely need to spend great amounts of time pondering the intellectual realms because those who came before me already have. For example:
I have no need to delve into the intricacies of the Second Amendment because I was taught the meaning of the clause by my elders/betters as a child. They were taught its meaning by their elders, and so on, back to the generation that wrote and approved the document.
It's not laziness for Conservatives. We just know what we believe and see no need to rehash it constantly in our heads. Apparently our more Centrist and Liberal associates need constant mental reexamination to prove to themselves that 2+2 does indeed still equal 4.
CDZ=LOL
CDZ, where intolerant sissies post troll threads
To anger a conservative lie to them, to anger a liberal, tell them the truth.
By definition I am conservative and low effort thinker. Call me lazy if you want but I can do more work in five minutes than a liberal can do in two hours.
[Conservatives] are only capable of internalizing soundbytes.
I appreciate you took the time to consider a number of posters comments and the chose to respond to a select ones.Not certain about that.
However, you rarely see a conservative make a nuanced argument unless you're seeing her/him defend their messiah Trump.
Other than that, if they are not interested in nuances and are only capable of internalizing soundbytes.
That tend to be consistent with the majority of experiences/conversations I've had with committed conservatives on USMB. "Real life" conversations I've had with conservatives sometimes are that way too, but occasionally I come across some really strong arguments from one or two conservatives.
Oh, BTW, I think we can in most cases forget about "nuanced." I'd be glad to see on USMB more conservative folks actually make a cogent argument. Overwhelmingly all I see is conclusions tossed out with no supporting argument whatsoever.
Atheists and agnostics likely to be liberals.
And you are going to tell us about low level thinkers.
If your second sentence was intended as a question, my answer is, "No." I didn't find anything correlating "low effort thinking" with agnosticism or atheism. If that's an argument you care to make, however, by all means, I bid you have at it.
Lets just say I see no reason to be overly kind on these boards.
Everyone is cocksure, so if they can dish it out then I expect them to not only take it, but defend themselves.
Red:
Is anyone really asking you to be "overly kind" on these boards? I doubt it. I doubt that being "overly kind" is even what anyone expects in general, outside of these boards or not. Merely kind is quite sufficient.
Blue:
Matters theological seem to capture your interest. Have a shot at refuting my argument here: Debate Now - Does it make sense to accept God's existence based solely on the arguments presented for it?.
I think anyone who thinks that if they think for themselves they are somehow wiser than those who rely on becoming informed or listening to the counsel of good people who have gone before them --- is fooling themselves.
Did anyone make that claim? I didn't see someone do so.
The hard right is deficient in critical thinking.
The hard left is incredibly intolerant of all opposition.
Red:
I think it's accurate to say that inept critical thinkers are more likely to espouse conservative (right-wing) positions. Your assertion isn't what the study found, so it's not what I've asserted. One of the researchers whose works the study referenced, IIRC, did venture conclusions a bit closer to your statement.
I'm not "ragging" on you; I'm just making it clear that your remarks and mine aren't the same. There're a lot of folks around who aren't keen on thinking critically, so I have to try to make sure they understand the difference. As candycorn noted, conservatives aren't given to nuance.
I think the author(s) of the study miss something....
As a Conservative, I rarely need to spend great amounts of time pondering the intellectual realms because those who came before me already have. For example:
I have no need to delve into the intricacies of the Second Amendment because I was taught the meaning of the clause by my elders/betters as a child. They were taught its meaning by their elders, and so on, back to the generation that wrote and approved the document.
It's not laziness for Conservatives. We just know what we believe and see no need to rehash it constantly in our heads. Apparently our more Centrist and Liberal associates need constant mental reexamination to prove to themselves that 2+2 does indeed still equal 4.
Red:
I think your example is a fine illustration of what the study uncovered. It's very low-effort to merely accept what one has been told, regardless of who provided the information. In contrast, it takes effort, strength, curiosity, and will to confirm whether what one has been told "holds water."
I do appreciate your having voluntarily amplified the paper's thesis with a very personal example. That was quite generous of you.
CDZ=LOL
CDZ, where intolerant sissies post troll threads
To anger a conservative lie to them, to anger a liberal, tell them the truth.
Gotta love you preceding three members. You're lifesavers.....Here I was worried about having to plumb other threads to find "real world" illustrations of the study's central points and propositions. Thankfully, I do not have to do so. The authors of the paper made their predictions, I shared them in the OP, and right on cue, folks enthusiastically and openly give us first hand examples that show the research and predictions are indeed spot on.
"Low-Effort Thought"
Wow, talk about PC
