Longshoremen's union threatens more thuggery

[JoeB131]

That's the truth! I have never figured out why someone would either stay where they are obviously not wanted, or stay on a job that they felt the need to constantly complain about. If you are that miserable, move on! Some people seem to think that using union thugs to browbeat management will somehow improve their lot.

The problem with the "change jobs" mentaility is you usually find, "Same Shit, Different Asshole".

 

[gallantwarrior]

That's the truth! I have never figured out why someone would either stay where they are obviously not wanted, or stay on a job that they felt the need to constantly complain about. If you are that miserable, move on! Some people seem to think that using union thugs to browbeat management will somehow improve their lot.

The problem with the "change jobs" mentaility is you usually find, "Same Shit, Different Asshole".

We all have the option to make our own job.

 

[JoeB131]

That's the truth! I have never figured out why someone would either stay where they are obviously not wanted, or stay on a job that they felt the need to constantly complain about. If you are that miserable, move on! Some people seem to think that using union thugs to browbeat management will somehow improve their lot.

The problem with the "change jobs" mentaility is you usually find, "Same Shit, Different Asshole".

We all have the option to make our own job.

Well, no,m ost of us don't. And the economy has to work for everyone, not just the business owners.

This is the problem. When you guys whine about "Socialism", what you are really whining about is "Democracy".

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why? Because you don't like the thought they can negotiate for better wages and working conditions? Seriously?

Negotiate and union do not and never have belonged in the same sentence.
Just another reason why unions are rapidly on their way to joining the dinosaurs.

Actually, Unions are the only way to have meaningful negotiations. Which is why they are needed.

Actually, you've once again ignored the facts. And those facts are: union membership has fallen every year since the mid 1960's....
That unions do not negotiate. They DEMAND.
Maybe in your mind a labor collective is needed. I believe that all workers who lack the desire and ambition to achieve as well as those who would like to be able to simply settle in a to a nice comfy job for the rest of their working careers NEED a labor collective to stand in to protect their mediocre view on work.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, you've once again ignored the facts. And those facts are: union membership has fallen every year since the mid 1960's....
That unions do not negotiate. They DEMAND.
Maybe in your mind a labor collective is needed. I believe that all workers who lack the desire and ambition to achieve as well as those who would like to be able to simply settle in a to a nice comfy job for the rest of their working careers NEED a labor collective to stand in to protect their mediocre view on work.

Yawn... ho-hum.. for something that is "irrellevent", unions certainly seem to have you worked up...

Like I said, I'm starting to see a pattern here... so what was your deep childhood trauma with a union?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I don't care who I work for, if a better opportunity comes along, I'm out the door, if the company I currently for changes direction, I'm out the door.

That is the fact of life, I know to look out for myself and the company has the same right. I'm not going to bitch to some union asshole rep to keep me on where I'm not wanted or needed.

Not everyone has that option.

Also, as a practical matter, jumping to another company is often jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.



This notion that you are getting over on employers by jumping jobs is kind of silly. Again, there is no substitute for strong worker's rights.

"Not everyone has that option. "....
Ah yes. The old lowest common denominator argument. Yes, because there are people who refuse to stand up for themselves, we should ALL be forced to do business with labor collectives so that the few are protected from themselves.

 

[JoeB131]

"Not everyone has that option. "....
Ah yes. The old lowest common denominator argument. Yes, because there are people who refuse to stand up for themselves, we should ALL be forced to do business with labor collectives so that the few are protected from themselves.

Again, standing up for yourself usually requires you to have the power to do so...

Like most bullies, the last thing in the world you want is a fair fight.

You want the ability to totally fuck with your employees lives without them having the ability to fuck with yours.

And this is why you fear unions. Every bully fears a fair fight.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The problem with the "change jobs" mentaility is you usually find, "Same Shit, Different Asshole".

We all have the option to make our own job.

Well, no,m ost of us don't. And the economy has to work for everyone, not just the business owners.

This is the problem. When you guys whine about "Socialism", what you are really whining about is "Democracy".

Sure we do. All it takes is thinking outside the box.
Not everyone is as incapable as you view them to be.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Actually, you've once again ignored the facts. And those facts are: union membership has fallen every year since the mid 1960's....
That unions do not negotiate. They DEMAND.
Maybe in your mind a labor collective is needed. I believe that all workers who lack the desire and ambition to achieve as well as those who would like to be able to simply settle in a to a nice comfy job for the rest of their working careers NEED a labor collective to stand in to protect their mediocre view on work.

Yawn... ho-hum.. for something that is "irrellevent", unions certainly seem to have you worked up...

Like I said, I'm starting to see a pattern here... so what was your deep childhood trauma with a union?

I deal with the facts as how they apply to real world situations.
You are searching for responses. You have no argument. Other than to argue.

 

[JoeB131]

We all have the option to make our own job.

Well, no,m ost of us don't. And the economy has to work for everyone, not just the business owners.

This is the problem. When you guys whine about "Socialism", what you are really whining about is "Democracy".

Sure we do. All it takes is thinking outside the box.
Not everyone is as incapable as you view them to be.

Funny, aren't you "conservatives" the ones who go around whining every day about how the government makes it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard for you guys to start and run a business.

"Waaah, I actually have to provide health care to my wage-slaves!"



I mean, if you guys were the fucking geniuses you all tell us you are, nothing the government does should stop you...

So really, being the fucking geniuses you are, you can deal with the government and the unions and stop whining about them... Sounds fair to me.

 

[thereisnospoon]

"Not everyone has that option. "....
Ah yes. The old lowest common denominator argument. Yes, because there are people who refuse to stand up for themselves, we should ALL be forced to do business with labor collectives so that the few are protected from themselves.

Again, standing up for yourself usually requires you to have the power to do so...

Like most bullies, the last thing in the world you want is a fair fight.

You want the ability to totally fuck with your employees lives without them having the ability to fuck with yours.

And this is why you fear unions. Every bully fears a fair fight.

I own the business. As long as I violate no labor laws, the game is evenly matched.
Once again. My money, My house, my rules.
Fuck with? No. I just want them to be productive and do things MY way. When I work for someone else, I am subject to those same conditions.
This is the way it should be. No interlopers to interfere.
Who is talking about a "fight"?
Or is that you've been so programmed to believe in "us vs them" that you cannot allow for any other point of view?

 

[JoeB131]

I own the business. As long as I violate no labor laws, the game is evenly matched.
Once again. My money, My house, my rules.
Fuck with? No. I just want them to be productive and do things MY way. When I work for someone else, I am subject to those same conditions.
This is the way it should be. No interlopers to interfere.
Who is talking about a "fight"?
Or is that you've been so programmed to believe in "us vs them" that you cannot allow for any other point of view?

I haven't been programmed, guy, I've learned from experience. Up until six years ago, I bought into the Pro-Business bullshit.

My experience was that after BUSTING MY ASS for someone for six years, they illegally fired me because I ran up medical expenses. I didn't start this fight, but I intend to finish it.

Defeating Plutocracy was a big part of that.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Well, no,m ost of us don't. And the economy has to work for everyone, not just the business owners.

This is the problem. When you guys whine about "Socialism", what you are really whining about is "Democracy".

Sure we do. All it takes is thinking outside the box.
Not everyone is as incapable as you view them to be.

Funny, aren't you "conservatives" the ones who go around whining every day about how the government makes it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard for you guys to start and run a business.

"Waaah, I actually have to provide health care to my wage-slaves!"



I mean, if you guys were the fucking geniuses you all tell us you are, nothing the government does should stop you...

So really, being the fucking geniuses you are, you can deal with the government and the unions and stop whining about them... Sounds fair to me.

Have you ever owned or operated a business?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Sure we do. All it takes is thinking outside the box.
Not everyone is as incapable as you view them to be.

Funny, aren't you "conservatives" the ones who go around whining every day about how the government makes it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard for you guys to start and run a business.

"Waaah, I actually have to provide health care to my wage-slaves!"



I mean, if you guys were the fucking geniuses you all tell us you are, nothing the government does should stop you...

So really, being the fucking geniuses you are, you can deal with the government and the unions and stop whining about them... Sounds fair to me.

Have you ever owned or operated a business?

He'll probably say "yes" and then proceed to tell us what a great guy he was, paying top dollar and gold-card bennies for even the guy picking up the trash...
Hope you have your tall boots on.

 

[JoeB131]

Sure we do. All it takes is thinking outside the box.
Not everyone is as incapable as you view them to be.

Funny, aren't you "conservatives" the ones who go around whining every day about how the government makes it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard for you guys to start and run a business.


I mean, if you guys were the fucking geniuses you all tell us you are, nothing the government does should stop you...

So really, being the fucking geniuses you are, you can deal with the government and the unions and stop whining about them... Sounds fair to me.

Have you ever owned or operated a business?

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Look, guy, here's the thing. I could care less if the businessman lives or dies. I don't give a FUCK about your problems.

You can all rot and die as far as I'm concerned. But as long as we have to put up with you, then I want the people who work for you to be protected from your greed, stupidity and general douchebaggery.

That means I want unions, and I want OSHA, EEOC, CPSC and agencies like that to do their jobs and remember who they work for.

 

[JoeB131]

He'll probably say "yes" and then proceed to tell us what a great guy he was, paying top dollar and gold-card bennies for even the guy picking up the trash...

No, that's all you guys claiming to be big tycoons on the internet...

 

[thereisnospoon]

I own the business. As long as I violate no labor laws, the game is evenly matched.
Once again. My money, My house, my rules.
Fuck with? No. I just want them to be productive and do things MY way. When I work for someone else, I am subject to those same conditions.
This is the way it should be. No interlopers to interfere.
Who is talking about a "fight"?
Or is that you've been so programmed to believe in "us vs them" that you cannot allow for any other point of view?

I haven't been programmed, guy, I've learned from experience. Up until six years ago, I bought into the Pro-Business bullshit.

My experience was that after BUSTING MY ASS for someone for six years, they illegally fired me because I ran up medical expenses. I didn't start this fight, but I intend to finish it.

Defeating Plutocracy was a big part of that.

Finish WHAT?....Your so called plutocrats for the most part SUPPORT Obama.
Obama is one of them. He is an elitist just like them.

 

[JoeB131]

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Finish WHAT?....Your so called plutocrats for the most part SUPPORT Obama.
Obama is one of them. He is an elitist just like them.

Oh, please.

The Business Community wanted Obama gone so bad it wasn't funny. And then they pouted and fumed and said they were going to start firing people, until the public backlash against them was so great they had to whimper off with their tails between their legs.

 

[thereisnospoon]

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Finish WHAT?....Your so called plutocrats for the most part SUPPORT Obama.
Obama is one of them. He is an elitist just like them.

Oh, please.

The Business Community wanted Obama gone so bad it wasn't funny. And then they pouted and fumed and said they were going to start firing people, until the public backlash against them was so great they had to whimper off with their tails between their legs.

You must be kidding.
Large companies contribute heavily to liberal candidates and liberal causes.
I do know that Obama is an enemy to small business.
And no, they didn't whine.
Small business is doing what it must to defend their well being AND the jobs they provide against the policies of this administration.
Anyone with half a brain is going to do what they must under the law to protect their investment.
ACA is another example of good intentions paving the way to hell.
Just last week a caller into a radio show stated he was a a store manager in a fast food restaurant. The restaurant is part of a company that owns several franchise stores. The managers were gathered in a meeting. In that meeting they were informed to cut all part time workers hours to under 32 for the week. A responsible strategy to protect ALL jobs in the company.
The reason ACA is simply just too expensive. Restaurants are low margin businesses. That is across the board. The additional costs are enough to make the restaurants unprofitable.
No one is going to deliberately operate at a loss.
And please, your pat response of "well if they cannot afford the cost, they should not be in business" is unrealistic and irresponsible. It is invalid.
Employer provided insurance is not a right. It is a fringe benefit.
Under ACA people will simply go to the state insurance exchanges to get their insurance. So what?
Now, stop trying to change the narrative.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Funny, aren't you "conservatives" the ones who go around whining every day about how the government makes it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard for you guys to start and run a business.


I mean, if you guys were the fucking geniuses you all tell us you are, nothing the government does should stop you...

So really, being the fucking geniuses you are, you can deal with the government and the unions and stop whining about them... Sounds fair to me.

Have you ever owned or operated a business?

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Look, guy, here's the thing. I could care less if the businessman lives or dies. I don't give a FUCK about your problems.

You can all rot and die as far as I'm concerned. But as long as we have to put up with you, then I want the people who work for you to be protected from your greed, stupidity and general douchebaggery.

That means I want unions, and I want OSHA, EEOC, CPSC and agencies like that to do their jobs and remember who they work for.

So, in your perfect little fantasy world, every business owner is a greedy douche bag? Okee-dokee.