Lone Voice Of Reason: 'The Last Nail': Ron Paul Floor Speech May 25,2011...

[Epsilon Delta]

His honesty is almost breathtaking relative to most US discourse from either party, a great speech - the last point he makes about the moronic assertion heard throughout the decade that "they hate us for our freedoms" great. I find it sad that he does not get taken seriously and that he would never get elected. I wish he would run as a third party candidate. And even a lot of people who support him usually reserve it for the "hate the gub'mint, end welfare" stuff he thinks he's saying and then curiously ignore or disagree with the most important points he makes about the illegality of war and the idiocy of sacrificing liberty to 'secure' liberty.

 

[Anachronism]

This is a good thread. I agree with the OP. America is turning into a total nanny/police state. The government appears to be taking on the role of our parents now, assuring us that they know what's best, and we're in no position to question their rules and decisions. This is an exact 180 from what the founders wanted. And now we see why the constitution has to be circumvented, ignored, trashed, misinterpreted, and bastardized to suit the needs of our government that is so rife with corruption now. The pesky constitution was constantly getting in the way of America being transformed into a dictatorship.

Better a Dictatorship where society is forced to live by appropriate Morals and Values than the complete and total immoral cesspool that we've been forced to endure here in the United States over the last 50-100 years because people are no longer willing or able to live up to even the most basic of values and ethics on their own.

Out utterly naive Founding Fathers failed to include the most important bit in the Constitution.... not the Rights of a Citizen; but the DUTIES and RESPONSIBILITIES of a Citizen. Those things which they held so dear their blindered eyes could not conceive that anyone else would not see them as well. They built a system on a foundation of morals and values but refused to impart the necessary maintenance schedule for that foundation. Therefore, at this point, as that foundation crumbles into dust, it is up to someone to repair it before the entire home collapses down around our heads. Since we, the tenants will not willingly do it, it must be forced upon us by those in power.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

It's pretty clear the politicians no longer serve the People. The People now serve the Politicians. It is pretty sad watching our nation going backwards. We kicked the British Monarchy out because of their tyranny. We do seem to be going back to total Government control & tyranny. We're beginning to resemble Pre-Revolution America. This time it's much worse though. This time it's our own fellow Americans doing the oppressing. The Government can storm Citizens' homes for almost any reason they choose at this point. Unfortunately most Americna don't even realize this or they just choose to ignore it.

The Government & Police are not always right. More Americans need to change their old mentality. Our rights are disappearing rapidly. I mean now they're even forcing Americans to buy their preferred light bulbs for God's sake. So what's next? How much further will they go? They wont stop unless the American People stand up and demand they stop. American Citizens have far fewer rights than they've been led to believe. They can actually be arrested and detained for almost anything at this point. They really are powerless against the all-powerful Government & Police. That's just the sad truth. More people better get on board and support Dr. Paul...Before it's too late.

 

[Anachronism]

Libocalypse; show me a citizenry that DESERVES those Freedoms, Liberties, and Rights and MAYBE I'll get onboard with your complaining. Until there is an American Citizenry that can prove itself WORTHY of those things, I'm not going to be complaining or crying about the Government forcing people to act properly or punishing them severely when they don't.

 

[eflatminor]

show me a citizenry that DESERVES those Freedoms, Liberties, and Rights and MAYBE I'll get onboard with your complaining. Until there is an American Citizenry that can prove itself WORTHY of those things, I'm not going to be complaining or crying about the Government forcing people to act properly or punishing them severely when they don't.

Sorry for budding in, but isn't the whole idea of the Constitution that US citizens are born with those freedoms, liberties and rights, regardless of their station in life or what any politician can claim? Isn't that the point of inalienable?

"Acting properly"...that sure sounds like a slippery slope. Personally, as long as someone doesn't infringe on the rights of another, I don't think it's anyone's business how he acts. Is that not reasonable? Stated differently, if a citizen doesn't take what doesn't belong to him and he does not unnecessarily hurt another, is he not acting within the range of what we can all consider proper?

Now, when someone does hurt another or steals, I'm all for severe punishment. Three hots and cot, time in the yard to workout and interact with his thug buddies, and a tv back in the cell is not my idea of punishment, much less severe punishment. Jail is joke evidence by the rampant recidivism.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Libocalypse; show me a citizenry that DESERVES those Freedoms, Liberties, and Rights and MAYBE I'll get onboard with your complaining. Until there is an American Citizenry that can prove itself WORTHY of those things, I'm not going to be complaining or crying about the Government forcing people to act properly or punishing them severely when they don't.

Deserves got nothing to do with it. I think a famous man once said that. Every American Citizen is entitled to their Freedom & Liberty. When the Government starts forcing you to buy their preferred light bulb,you know we're in some very serious trouble. What will they ban next? Maybe Cheeseburgers? Who knows? Nothing would surprise me at this point. These are very dark days for our Nation.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Better a Dictatorship where society is forced to live by appropriate Morals and Values than the complete and total immoral cesspool that we've been forced to endure here in the United States over the last 50-100 years because people are no longer willing or able to live up to even the most basic of values and ethics on their own.

Then go live in Singapore where you'll get caned for spitting gum on the street. What the hell are you still doing here?

 

[GeoLaureate8]

This is a good thread. I agree with the OP. America is turning into a total nanny/police state. The government appears to be taking on the role of our parents now, assuring us that they know what's best, and we're in no position to question their rules and decisions. This is an exact 180 from what the founders wanted. And now we see why the constitution has to be circumvented, ignored, trashed, misinterpreted, and bastardized to suit the needs of our government that is so rife with corruption now. The pesky constitution was constantly getting in the way of America being transformed into a dictatorship.

Better a Dictatorship where society is forced to live by appropriate Morals and Values than the complete and total immoral cesspool that we've been forced to endure here in the United States over the last 50-100 years because people are no longer willing or able to live up to even the most basic of values and ethics on their own.

Out utterly naive Founding Fathers failed to include the most important bit in the Constitution.... not the Rights of a Citizen; but the DUTIES and RESPONSIBILITIES of a Citizen. Those things which they held so dear their blindered eyes could not conceive that anyone else would not see them as well. They built a system on a foundation of morals and values but refused to impart the necessary maintenance schedule for that foundation. Therefore, at this point, as that foundation crumbles into dust, it is up to someone to repair it before the entire home collapses down around our heads. Since we, the tenants will not willingly do it, it must be forced upon us by those in power.

Yeah, great idea! While you're at it, why don't you light up the furnace in the concentration camp and round up all those who don't act according to your moral standards.

You claim that society should be forced to live morally, that's a contradiction. The use of force is in itself immoral and is in fact the most immoral act there is. It's like butchering someones arm off for stealing a piece of candy. Which act is more immoral?

You say that you want citizens to have responsibility, yet at the same time you support a totalitarian government who controls everything. How can a person be personally responsible under a system that controls everything? That's the exact opposite of responsibility.

You have a very twisted way of thinking. I think you'd feel more at home living in Nazi Germany.


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[LibocalypseNow]

It is pretty sad seeing what's going on in our country. We really are living in a Pre-Revolution America now. We got rid of the British Monarchy for all of the same things our Government is doing to us right now. We have gone backwards for sure. The saddest aspect of this is that many Americans support this Government domination & oppression. The Police/Prison State is here folks. You can ignore it if you want to but it is happening. 1984,here we come.

 

[Anachronism]

Sorry for budding in, but isn't the whole idea of the Constitution that US citizens are born with those freedoms, liberties and rights, regardless of their station in life or what any politician can claim? Isn't that the point of inalienable?

Yes it is, and that's part of what I disagree with most fervently in the Constitution.... the idea that simply because one is fortunate enough to be born here they can get away with anything and still remain in the "good graces" of Citizenship. I am much more in favor of a system like Robert Heinlein describes in his book "Starship Troopers". That is, one where the potential citizen must PROVE their loyalty and value to the state before being granted Citizenship.

"Acting properly"...that sure sounds like a slippery slope. Personally, as long as someone doesn't infringe on the rights of another, I don't think it's anyone's business how he acts. Is that not reasonable? Stated differently, if a citizen doesn't take what doesn't belong to him and he does not unnecessarily hurt another, is he not acting within the range of what we can all consider proper?

Maybe by your definition, but not necessarily by mine. This country was founded on a very specific set of morals and values. Without those being in place on a societal level, the foundation that this country was built upon crumbles to dust (as we've seen in the last century).

Now, when someone does hurt another or steals, I'm all for severe punishment. Three hots and cot, time in the yard to workout and interact with his thug buddies, and a tv back in the cell is not my idea of punishment, much less severe punishment. Jail is joke evidence by the rampant recidivism.

That much we will agree upon. We already have the model for the proper prison setup. It was called Alcatraz.

Deserves got nothing to do with it. I think a famous man once said that. Every American Citizen is entitled to their Freedom & Liberty.

Which is what I have a serious problem with. I'm not a fan of free rides for anyone. Simply being born here should not be sufficient to grant one the benefits of Citizenship. I've never agreed with that idea and never will.

Then go live in Singapore where you'll get caned for spitting gum on the street. What the hell are you still doing here?

If Iran, North Korea, Singapore, etc.... allowed for private gun ownership I'd have been there in a heartbeat the moment I turned 18.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It is pretty sad seeing what's going on in our country. We really are living in a Pre-Revolution America now. We got rid of the British Monarchy for all of the same things our Government is doing to us right now. We have gone backwards for sure. The saddest aspect of this is that many Americans support this Government domination & oppression. The Police/Prison State is here folks. You can ignore it if you want to but it is happening. 1984,here we come.

The modern American government is far worse than the colonial British ever were.

 

[youngpatriot]

When all drugs were legal before WWI, there wasn't a drug problem. The idea that legalizing drugs will increase the rate of drug addiction in America is ill informed. I used to believe that drugs should remain illegal given my moral standards and the fact that I have little respect for people who use drugs. But, after looking back at history, I see that it is no different than the prohibition debacle. When alcohol was banned, alcohol became a much bigger problem than it was. Alcohol was controlled by thugs, people were shot and killed or arrested over it, and it was a total exercise in futility.

Make no mistake about it, I don't do drugs, I don't have any desire to use drugs, and I pity people that are hooked on drugs, but it is not my business or anybody else's to tell people what they can and can't put into their own body.

The framers of the constitution were smart men indeed, a lot of people scoff at the idea of maximum freedom; believing that maximum freedom for all could lead to total chaos and anarchy. But now, more than ever we can all see why they believed in maximum freedom and requiring government to answer to the people, not the other way around.

Police officers storming into people's homes in the middle of the night without a search warrant and killing or arresting people for possession is lunacy. And it needs to be stopped.

Here's a good article:

When All Drugs Were Legal....There Wasn't a Drugs Problem

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This is a good thread. I agree with the OP. America is turning into a total nanny/police state. The government appears to be taking on the role of our parents now, assuring us that they know what's best, and we're in no position to question their rules and decisions. This is an exact 180 from what the founders wanted. And now we see why the constitution has to be circumvented, ignored, trashed, misinterpreted, and bastardized to suit the needs of our government that is so rife with corruption now. The pesky constitution was constantly getting in the way of America being transformed into a dictatorship.

Simplistic nonsense.

You cite no examples of how the Constitution has been ‘circumvented, ignored, trashed, misinterpreted, and bastardized.’

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[youngpatriot]

This is a good thread. I agree with the OP. America is turning into a total nanny/police state. The government appears to be taking on the role of our parents now, assuring us that they know what's best, and we're in no position to question their rules and decisions. This is an exact 180 from what the founders wanted. And now we see why the constitution has to be circumvented, ignored, trashed, misinterpreted, and bastardized to suit the needs of our government that is so rife with corruption now. The pesky constitution was constantly getting in the way of America being transformed into a dictatorship.

Simplistic nonsense.

You cite no examples of how the Constitution has been ‘circumvented, ignored, trashed, misinterpreted, and bastardized.’

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

If you can't see the many times that the constitution has been undermined in our nation's history, then you are a complete moron. Do I really need to go through a list of example's? Or will one do? How about the patriot act? Is that constitutional? Game. Set. Match. Too easy.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

Libocalypse; show me a citizenry that DESERVES those Freedoms, Liberties, and Rights and MAYBE I'll get onboard with your complaining. Until there is an American Citizenry that can prove itself WORTHY of those things, I'm not going to be complaining or crying about the Government forcing people to act properly or punishing them severely when they don't.

What the fuck does that have to do with it? Who the hell are you to decide who is "worthy" of Freedom and Liberty bro? Listen to me you brainwashed robot minded slave, You don't decide who is free and who isn't and neither do your internationalist gangsters who occupy The United States of America's government! ~BH

 

[eflatminor]

You cite no examples of how the Constitution has been ‘circumvented, ignored, trashed, misinterpreted, and bastardized.

I can't speak for anyone else here but FWIW, I would cite as an overall example the abuse of the commerce clause and general welfare. That Progressive judges have ruled these power grabs constitutional does not change the fact that those of us that believe in limited government disagree with many rulings, such as Wickard v. Filburn, 1942. I'm sure there are rulings and interpretations of law on which you disagree.

As a specific case of ignoring the Constitution, I could point to President Obama's current war in Libya...certainly not the first such tyrannous entanglement, but perhaps the latest.

We cannot be expected to have a society of fairness and equal justice under the law if the lawmakers are exempt from those laws.

 

[Anachronism]

What the fuck does that have to do with it? Who the hell are you to decide who is "worthy" of Freedom and Liberty bro? Listen to me you brainwashed robot minded slave, You don't decide who is free and who isn't and neither do your internationalist gangsters who occupy The United States of America's government!

That has a whole lot to do with it. It harkens back to the founding of this country; when those who chose to still side with the British were occasionally dragged from their homes in the middle of the night and lynched for failing to get with the program. An activity my family willingly participated in, and which needs to be brought back to CLEANSE this country of the worthless, brainless, immoral, and valueless fucks that now make up such a large percentage of our population.

If you think I'man Internationalist, you haven't paid the least bit of attention. Personally, I'd move the US to a 100% ISOLATIONIST philosphy. Nobody, and nothing allowed IN or OUT.

 

[Contumacious]

This is a good thread. I agree with the OP. America is turning into a total nanny/police state. The government appears to be taking on the role of our parents now, assuring us that they know what's best, and we're in no position to question their rules and decisions. This is an exact 180 from what the founders wanted. And now we see why the constitution has to be circumvented, ignored, trashed, misinterpreted, and bastardized to suit the needs of our government that is so rife with corruption now. The pesky constitution was constantly getting in the way of America being transformed into a dictatorship.

Simplistic nonsense.

You cite no examples of how the Constitution has been ‘circumvented, ignored, trashed, misinterpreted, and bastardized.’

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

No he doesn't.

The stupid fuck does not understand that the Founding Fathers intended to create yet another fascistic or socialistic republic.

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[eflatminor]

...the Founding Fathers intended to create yet another fascistic or socialistic republic

Limiting the Federal government to a few enumerated powers was in an attempt to create a socialists government? Wow. That's one giant steaming pile you left there. Care to back that up?

 

[Contumacious]

...the Founding Fathers intended to create yet another fascistic or socialistic republic

Limiting the Federal government to a few enumerated powers was in an attempt to create a socialists government? Wow. That's one giant steaming pile you left there. Care to back that up?

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