We're trying to have an honest debate with our Librul brothers and sister, but how can you possibly debate and reason with a Party that: 1. Can't tell us to the nearest 17 MILLION how many uninsured we're talking about. "We've got 46-47 million people without health insurance in our country." -- BHO "There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage," -- BHO, 2. Insists we model Medicare and points to is as a success, but wants to eliminate “the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud.” HUH? What the fuck!? How is a program with "hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud" a success? 3. Claims that tort reform alone will only save 1-2% and is therefore not worth pursuing, but "if we can successfully slow the growth of health care costs by just one-tenth of one percent each year, it will actually reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the long term." So, if we enact tort reform alone we can reduce the deficit by $40 to 80 trillion!, and fully fund Soc Security, Medicare and Medicaid! How, how, how can you debate Librul if they lie in the tens of million of people and lie in the multi-TRILLION Column?