Libertarianism Is A Joke

[g5000]

Has this form of government been successfully practiced anywhere? If so, where?

Here's a conversation featuring a Libertarian that shows why it's such a failure...



Once you've seen this, let's discuss.

I've never heard of either of these clowns. They both strike me as not being very bright. The Libertarian guy is the dumber of the two. Embarrassingly so.

I am a conservative with a wide libertarian (small l) streak.

I listened to the two of them hacking about Social Security for 20 minutes and could not take any more. I could not finish.

The Libertarian, like all Libertarians (capital L), actually believes that if we got rid of Social Security all Americans would invest 6.3 percent of their weekly income, and invest it wisely.

This is what I mean about Libertarians not having a lick of common sense or any understanding of human behavior whatsoever.

The liberal guy seems to think Social Security can continue on the way it is, with no increase in the retirement age.

They are both fools.

 

[g5000]

Trump is really a libertarian

Nope. Trump is a huckster. A plunderer. A liar.

A libertarian does not say the following things:

“As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland." - Donald J. Trump, 2015.


Donald Trump in his book The America We Deserve:

We must have universal healthcare...I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...

Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork..

The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans. There are fewer medical lawsuits, less loss of labor to sickness, and lower costs to companies paying for the medical care of their employees. If the program were in place in Massachusetts in 1999 it would have reduced administrative costs by $2.5 million. We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing.




Donald Trump on Larry King the first time he ran for President:

I'm quite liberal, and getting much more liberal, on health care and other things. What's the purpose of a country if you're not gonna have defense and health care? If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. So I'm very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal healthcare.

He sure has changed his mind hey. Fly with the money.

Trump has not changed. He is still an expert huckster who goes where the most rubes are, and exploits their gullibility and willful stupidity to the max.

 

[Penelope]

Trump is really a libertarian

Nope. Trump is a huckster. A plunderer. A liar.

A libertarian does not say the following things:

“As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland." - Donald J. Trump, 2015.


Donald Trump in his book The America We Deserve:

We must have universal healthcare...I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...

Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork..

The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans. There are fewer medical lawsuits, less loss of labor to sickness, and lower costs to companies paying for the medical care of their employees. If the program were in place in Massachusetts in 1999 it would have reduced administrative costs by $2.5 million. We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing.




Donald Trump on Larry King the first time he ran for President:

I'm quite liberal, and getting much more liberal, on health care and other things. What's the purpose of a country if you're not gonna have defense and health care? If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. So I'm very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal healthcare.

He sure has changed his mind hey. Fly with the money.

Trump has not changed. He is still an expert huckster who goes where the most rubes are, and exploits their gullibility and willful stupidity to the max.

Well he lies like a rug.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Right and according to the 10th amendment that means it is a state issue.

So libertarians would be OK with a State version of social security?

They would be on a philosophical level. The thing about a state level Social Security is that people could avoid it easier.

This is why I don't understand why liberals especially don't want federalism. People get a lot more of what they want.

If you want a socialist utopia you can move to let's say Vermont if you want limited government no welfare state you can move to Texas. You could choose everything in between with the 48 other states

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Has this form of government been successfully practiced anywhere? If so, where?

Here's a conversation featuring a Libertarian that shows why it's such a failure...



Once you've seen this, let's discuss.

I've never heard of either of these clowns. They both strike me as not being very bright. The Libertarian guy is the dumber of the two. Embarrassingly so.

I am a conservative with a wide libertarian (small l) streak.

I listened to the two of them hacking about Social Security for 20 minutes and could not take any more. I could not finish.

The Libertarian, like all Libertarians (capital L), actually believes that if we got rid of Social Security all Americans would invest 6.3 percent of their weekly income, and invest it wisely.

This is what I mean about Libertarians not having a lick of common sense or any understanding of human behavior whatsoever.

The liberal guy seems to think Social Security can continue on the way it is, with no increase in the retirement age.

They are both fools.

No, the liberal guy doesn't think doing nothing is a solution -- the liberal thinks simply raising the cap on those who pay into Social Security will easily fund Social Security -- doing nothing would still result in social security paying out at around 70% of benefits..

Which is why Social security along with Medicare remains the two most popular government programs among Americans for 60 plus years -- if it was as bad as cons make it out to be, it would have took effect by now

 

[g5000]

All we need to do to make Social Security solvent is raise the eligibility age to 70, and index the retirement age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

That's. It.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

All we need to do to make Social Security solvent is raise the eligibility age to 70, and index the retirement age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

That's. It.

Or raise the earnings cap -- that way we need not to expect people to work til they are 70 and beyond before they can retire.

 

[initforme]

Social security is probably in the top 5 greatest things this nation has EVER done. How many tend or hundreds of millions have been able to retire because of it. Go ahead run on cutting it.....imagine how voters react....man some of you are dumb.

 

[MarcATL]

Right and according to the 10th amendment that means it is a state issue.

So libertarians would be OK with a State version of social security?

They would be on a philosophical level. The thing about a state level Social Security is that people could avoid it easier.

This is why I don't understand why liberals especially don't want federalism. People get a lot more of what they want.

If you want a socialist utopia you can move to let's say Vermont if you want limited government no welfare state you can move to Texas. You could choose everything in between with the 48 other states

Not very practical.

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

Libertarianism is a joke because it’s a fantasy and an anachronism predicated on the ridiculous, wrongheaded notion that government exists as some ‘malevolent force,’ when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

It is no longer the 18th Century, 21st Century society is far too complex to accommodate the naïve, simplistic, sophomoric dogma of libertarianism.

And of course there’s the High Priestess of libertarianism, Ayn Rand – whose writings are just as ridiculous and wrongheaded as the libertarian dogma they inspire.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I never understood their anti abortion stance . I thought they were ANYTHING GOES !

Libertarianism is as inconsistent as it is wrong.

If libertarians are advocates of less government and little government interference in citizens’ private lives, then clearly they should be advocates of the Constitution’s guarantee of a right to privacy.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Right and according to the 10th amendment that means it is a state issue.

So libertarians would be OK with a State version of social security?

They would be on a philosophical level. The thing about a state level Social Security is that people could avoid it easier.

This is why I don't understand why liberals especially don't want federalism. People get a lot more of what they want.

If you want a socialist utopia you can move to let's say Vermont if you want limited government no welfare state you can move to Texas. You could choose everything in between with the 48 other states

Not very practical.

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The country is huge with everything from some of the largest cities in the world to vast farmland. It is impractical for everyone to live by the same laws.

It is even impractical for my in-laws who live 2 hours from me. He lives a good mile plus from his closest neighbor on the other hand I live almost on top of my neighbor.

If let's say Nevada didn't want to fund public schools because they didn't want families because of the nature of their main industries why shouldn't they be able to do that?

The country was founded on the principle of federalism.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Libertarianism is of course nothing more than rightwing reactionaryism – the unwarranted fear of change and a desire to return to an idealized American past that never actually existed to begin with.

And that’s the problem: America’s past was far from ‘ideal’ – particularly for women, African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, gay Americans, and immigrants.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Has this form of government been successfully practiced anywhere? If so, where?

Here's a conversation featuring a Libertarian that shows why it's such a failure...



Once you've seen this, let's discuss.

Early in the USA.

pretty much right up to wilson

 

[Two Thumbs]

Libertarianism is of course nothing more than rightwing reactionaryism – the unwarranted fear of change and a desire to return to an idealized American past that never actually existed to begin with.

And that’s the problem: America’s past was far from ‘ideal’ – particularly for women, African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, gay Americans, and immigrants.

you have a .0% grasp of what it is.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Has this form of government been successfully practiced anywhere?

Libertarianism is not a form of government. It is a philosophy. More specifically the philosphy of freedom from government-over-man, as the Framers intended.

As for the nation, it is a compound Republic. Hopefully we can keep some semblance of it.

I'm not watching a 30 minute video, so hard to say if the speaker is actually a libertarian anyway.

Too many different factions who gather under the libertarian tent have ruined it as a political movement.

Libertine, btw, is not libertarian. Nor are the anarcho-capitalists. Or the anarchists. Or the monarchists, etc

 

[Natural Citizen]

Hell of a thread! lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Statists gonna state. lol.

 

[NightFox]

Trump is really a libertarian,

ROFLMAO! Trump is about as far from a libertarian as one can get.

He's an authoritarian progressive, just like you are.

He is , perfect example.

LOL, once again you proudly put your ignorance on display, Donald "Eminent Domain" Trump is about as libertarian as Josef Stalin.

Of course the fact that you're fully programmed by the media and your partisan masters precludes a response that would require critical thinking, reason and evidence from you, so color me not surprised.

Now run along back to the programmed monkey gallery where you belong, if I want your baseless opinions and regurgitated partisan propaganda I'll get 'em from the source; your overlords in Washington.

 

[NightFox]

Nothing, it's a silly talk show call in video with a bunch of hamsters trying to create an infotainment piece to feed the confirmation bias of a target audience and given your reaction, it worked.

If you want to learn about libertarianism, read the works of serious libertarians, if you want to be an ignorant sheeple keep letting videos like this one formulate your opinions for you.

Address my entire OP.

Where has libertarianism worked in the world?

Point me to a country where it has.

Been there, done that... you still don't get the fact that libertarianism isn't a form of government nor has it dawned on you that most people in the world already operate by the non-aggression principle in their dealings with other individuals, which means they share foundational principles with libertarians, even if they don't realize it.

Apparently the matchbook cover you received your political science and philosophy education from didn't include that part.

Do yourself a favor stop relying on YouTube to expand your horizons and pick up a book, preferably one that isn't designed to reinforce your strongly held opinions about the world.

"Libertarianism holds that the only proper role of violence is to defend person and property against violence, that any use of violence that goes beyond such just defense is itself aggressive, unjust, and criminal" -- Murray N. Rothbard

 

[Natural Citizen]

But then, libertarian fiscal policy essentially took over one of the major parties and created this wave of binary, simplistic, Old West, anti-government, every-man-for-himself thinking that simply ignores the legitimate needs of too many people in the most prosperous country on the planet.

What a load of horse pucky.

Your record demonstrates that you're a trustee in a planned econonomy. That you have a belief in deficit financing. And inflatonism. And central economic planning by a central bank.

Last I checked both parties shared your sentiment. It's why we're 21 trillion in debt and carrying around that 4 cent dollar. And it's why we're on a path to repeat precisely what happened with the housing crash.

No libertarian fiscal policy has been so much as whispered in modern politics, and those who've tried have been shut down by the media and by the washington establishment. The place is packed full of Keynesians. And I welcome you to challenge me on it.