Liberalism's Fatal Flaw

[there4eyeM]

'Wealth' is produced by human beings valuing.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"....I'm still not sure what liberalism actually is..."

That pretty much defines all Liberals.
That's why I'm here....to teach you.

Liberals march lock step in acceptance of the views of their elites, making them appear more like iron filings in a magnetic field than a thinking human being.

I appreciate your honesty on the matter.

Thanks, but that still doesn't explain what a liberal actually is

I gather it's the opposite of a conservative but that doesn't really help because I also don't know what it is that conservatives want to conserve (other than bibles and guns that is)

That’s because the OP has no idea what she’s talking about – as usual.

And for the record and your edification:

Liberals are pragmatists who focus on facts and objective, documented evidence, rejecting blind adherence to sanctioned political doctrine and dogma.

Liberals are advocates of, defenders of, and practitioners of capitalism and free markets, as well as necessary, proper, and Constitutional regulatory measures as authorized by the Commerce Clause.

Liberals follow the Constitution and its case law, the rule of law, and correctly understand that the courts determine what the Constitution means, that rulings of the Supreme Court are the law of the land, and that states and local jurisdictions are subject to those rulings and the rule of law.

And liberals seek to defend the rights and protected liberties of all Americans, consistent with Constitutional jurisprudence, from unwarranted government interference and restriction.

That’s what a liberal actually is.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The OP thinks liberals want everyone to have equal incomes and material possessions?

I'm a liberal. I don't want that. Maybe I'm a classical liberal?

She creates outrageous strawmen, and other aburdities, such as calling JFK a Communist, Joe Biden a Nazi, and Winston Churchill a Bolshevik,

because she can't even come close to winning an argument with reality.

lol

That’s so 20th Century.

 

[edthecynic]

Are you admitting this:
Modern Liberalism finds at its center, material equality.
That is its fatal flaw.

Hell no, that is the Straw Man of the lying scum hate religion of CON$ervoFascism.
Liberalism has at its center EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY!!!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

The OP's method of demonizing is to represent ideologies in their puristic forms and concepts. In reality, pure ideologists in people or countries are rare. Most people and countries adhere to a blending and mesh of ideologies, borrowing various concepts to fit their purposes. Those persons that represent purist views are negatively viewed as extremist and ideologues. Nations that adhere to purist ideologies are almost non-existent and the ones who attempt it destroy themselves over time or are in constant turmoil.

Note today's political atmosphere and even the reality of conservative vs liberal in America. Reagan, a conservative supported and even made efforts to save Social Security. Trump, a guy with a liberal background is promoting conservative ideas. His followers call themselves conservatives but are willing to go along with the liberal policies he promotes. Clinton has shown conservative values and is battling an opponent with far more liberal positions than she has ever displayed.

The OP will say all her facts are accurate and true, but accurate and true facts are easily distorted and taken out of context to create a false premise. It is the main method for creating conspiracy theories.

"The OP will say all her facts are accurate and true, but accurate and true facts are easily distorted and taken out of context to create a false premise. It is the main method for creating conspiracy theories."

Which of the following are "distorted and taken out of context"?

And, when it is clear that none are.....then my premise is confirmed.


Have a go:
1. "...take-home pay for many American workers has effectively fallen since the economic recovery began in 2009, according to a new study by an advocacy group that is to be released on Thursday.
The declines were greatest for the lowest-paid workers in sectors where hiring has been strong — home health care, food preparation and retailing — even though wages were already below average to begin with in those service industries.
“Stagnant wages are a problem for everyone at this point, but the imbalance in the economy has become more pronounced since the recession,”..."http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/b...rkers-see-biggest-drop-in-paychecks.html?_r=0


2."....US hourly wages have not only not increased for the past 7 years,but for thevast majority of the labor force continue to decline,.... just the month of August will be enough to provide the Trump - and every other - campaign with enough soundbites and pivot points to last it for weeks on end: namely,that in August a whopping 698,000 native-born Americans lost their job.This drop was offset by 204,000 foreign-born Americans, who got a job in the month of August. ....since December 2007, according to the Household Survey,only 790,000 native born Americanjobs have been added.Contrast that withthe 2.1 million foreign-born Americanswho have found a job over the same time period..."698K Native-Born Americans Lost Their Job In August: Why This Suddenly Is The Most Important Jobs Chart | Zero Hedge


3. October 2015: "Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September With Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower"Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September With Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower | Zero Hedge


4. "Obamacare health insurance co-ops surged past the $1 billion mark in losses this week, making history of sorts.The insolvencies, totaling $1.36 billion, mean that the co-ops have burned through more than half of theoriginal $2 billion appropriatedin 2010 for the program under the Affordable Care Act. The funds were loaned to the start-up co-ops in 2012 and were to be repaid in 15 years, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which manages Obamacare.
...13 of the 23 federally-financed Obamacare co-ops have officially failed in only two years. Most are in the process of default as insurance regulators attempt to pay customer’s medical bills, cover medical providers and pay other creditors.
Obamacare Co-Op Mess Causes $1.3 Billion In Losses


5."Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving
This is a new record, beating the previous high of 136 set by President Obama this spring."
Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving


6. "...ObamaCare experiment costing taxpayers $2.4 billionis failing. The co-ops were founded on the idealistic belief that community members could band together to create health insurance companies that would be member-driven, service-oriented, and would not have to answer to shareholders or turn a profit."
400,000 Citizens To Lose Health Insurance (Again) Because Of Obamacare Co-Op Failures



7. "The U.S. expanded at a 2.2% rate through the first nine months of the year, and the economy is projected to grow at a similar pace in the fourth quarter that ends on Dec. 31. If so, the economy will have failed to reach 3% growth for the 10th straight year, marking the slowest stretch since the end of World War II.
Historically the economy has expanded at a 3.3% rate."U.S. economy set to grow less than 3% for the 10th straight year


8. "Congress has now cleared the way for federal debt to pass$20 trillionby the end of the president’s second term. President Obama said the new budget deal will be paid for in a “balanced” and “responsible” way, but on the day the deal was signed, the federal debt jumped $339 billion—a third of a trillion dollars in one day."Societywatch


9.The GDPNow model forecast for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the fourth quarter of 2015 is 0.8 percent on January 8, down from 1.0 percent on January 6. The forecast for the contribution of inventory investment to fourth-quarter real GDP growth declined 0.2 percentage points to -0.8 percentage points after this morning's wholesale trade report from the U.S. Census Bureau.GDPNow


10. "Retail Sales in U.S. Decrease to End Weakest Year Since 2009Sales at U.S. retailers declined in December to wrap the weakest year since 2009, raising concern about the momentum in consumer spending heading into 2016. The 0.1 percent drop matched the median forecast of 84 economists surveyed by Bloomberg and followed a 0.4 percent gain in November, Commerce Department figures showed Friday in Washington. For all of 2015, purchases climbed 2.1 percent, the smallest advance of the current economic expansion."Retail Sales in U.S. Decrease to End Weakest Year Since 2009


11. " The federal government heavily subsidizes higher education through a complex system of grants and loans. While the programs are great for colleges — they haveenabledan astronomical increase in tuition — they contain few measures holding the institutions accountable to their students. As a result, only59 percentof students graduate from four-year colleges and universities within six years. Those lucky enough to graduate face another hurdle:44 percentof recent college graduates occupy jobs which do not require a college degree. Taken together, these numbers suggest that only one-third of college enrollees emerge from the system with both a degree and a relevant job." What "Free" College Can't Fix | Preston Cooper

12. Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "...annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." President Obama’s Growth Gap Hits $1.31 Trillion

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression." Obama: Always Wrong, Never In Doubt

b. "....first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth."Obama economy is 'amazing,' says hedge fund billionaire



13. According to the2016 Index of Economic Freedom, an annual publication by The Heritage Foundation, America’s economic freedom has tumbled. With losses of economic freedom in eight of the past nine years, the U.S. has tied its worst score ever, wiping out a decade of progress. Since early2009:

· Government spending has exploded, amounting to $29,867 per household in 2015.

· The national debt has risen to $125,000 for every tax filing household in America—a total over $18 trillion.

· The government takeover of health care is raising prices and disrupting markets.

· Bailouts and new government regulations have increased uncertainty, stifling investment and job creation. America’s Economic Freedom Has Rapidly Declined Under Obama

14 "Despite the unemployment rate being at an eight-year low (4.9 percent as of January 2016), the number of people on food stamps remains near an all-time high which was 47,636,000 in 2013.

Why the disparity in the numbers? Well, the unemployment rate does not take into account people who are not in, or have dropped out of, the workforce altogether.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported in January of this year that approximately 94 million Americans are not participating in the workforce.

We now have a country based on government dependence." Food Stamp Users Near Record High Despite Low Unemployment Rate

15. "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Chicago have seen poverty rise and services diminish even as the nation's third largest city has become less racially segregated,.... black areas are seeing economic stagnation or decline,.... mostly black areas have lost health clinics, social service agencies and other areas of support..." Exclusive: Poverty up, services diminished in Chicago's black neighborhoods - study


16. "Employers added more workers in February than projected but wages unexpectedly declined, dashing hopes that reduced slack in the labor market was starting to benefit all Americans..... Average hourly earnings dropped by 0.1 percent from the prior month, the first decline since December 2014 the Labor Department’s figures showed. Worker pay increased 2.2 percent over the 12 months ended in February, less than the 2.5 percent forecast in the Bloomberg survey. Wage growth has been hovering just above 2 percent year-over-year on average since the current expansion began in mid-2009."http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-surge-while-wages-drop-in-mixed-jobs-report

17. New Obama regulation will deprive middle class investors of access to financial information. "...the controversial pending Department of Labor regulation that would impose new restrictions on a vast swath of financial professionals... a new report for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, similar restrictions in Great Britain have caused a “guidance gap” in which brokers have largely stopped serving customers with assets less than £150,000 ($240,000).... Such limits on financial discussion may seem to violate the First Amendment..." http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnber...l-broadcasters-like-dave-ramsey/#2962753ee696

“this Obama rule will kill the Middle Class and below ability to access personal advice.”

18. "U.S. retail sales dropped in February and the prior month’s gain was revised to adecline, calling into question the narrative that bigger gains in consumer spending would propel economic growth at the start of 2016. The 0.1 percent decline in purchases followed a revised 0.4 percent January decrease, Commerce Department figures showed Tuesday.... “We’re seeing higher rents, higher healthcare expenses,.... Retail sales excluding autos fell 0.1 percent after a 0.4 percent decrease in January, according to Tuesday’s report." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-fell-in-february-after-january-revised-down

19. "That basic math is why middle class incomes have been in decline under Obama.The Census Bureau reports that since Obama became President 7 years ago, real median household income has fallen by $1,300 a year. Heritage Foundation Chief Economist Steve Moore explained in testimony before the Ways and Means Committee, “At 2 percent growth the economy doesn’t spin off enough jobs to increase wages, and tax revenues grow much too slowly to balance the budget.”

The recession officially ended more than 6 years ago. Wages and incomes have always grown in recoveries, not declined. Moreover, the American historical record is the deeper the recession, the stronger the recovery. The economy is supposed to boom in a recovery to catch up with its long term economic growth trendline. But over 6 years after the recession ended, that still has not happened. Instead, what we have gotten under President Obama is the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression."Realizing The Super Bowl Of American Economic Growth

20. "8 More Obamacare Co-ops Will Probably Shut Down

12 of the 23 taxpayer funded non-profit co-ops created under the Affordable Care Act were shuttered, and the largest of them isunder investigation.

Records obtained by Richard Pollack of theDaily Callerindicate another 8 co-ops might be on their way out this year:
'...there’s not a turnaround in sight. The same problems that plagued them before are continuing,”
8 More Obamacare Co-ops Will Probably Shut Down

21. the United States had lost its once-enormous global lead in middle-class pay, based on international income surveys over the last three decades.After-tax median income in Canada appears to have been higher last year than the same measure in this country. The poor in Canada and much of western Europe earn more than the poor here.http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/u...dgety-boys-and-a-sputtering-economy.html?_r=0

22. Middle aged people laid off and unable to find work are taking another way out. They're killing themselves. Suicide rates are soaring, according to federal data released last week. Especially in economically depressed states and job-starved upstate New York. People in need of work are twice as likely to take their own lives as employed people, and people fired in their forties and fifties find it hardest to get hired again.
That makes boosting economic growth a life- and- death issue. But you wouldn't know it listening to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. President Obama whitewashes reality, claiming the "American economy is pretty darn good right now."
Soaring Suicides Emerge As a National Crisis Laid to Economic Stall - The New York Sun


23. "U.S. Economy Expands to 0.5% Pace, Weakest in Two Years
The U.S. economy expanded in the first quarter at the slowest pace in two years ....Gross domestic product rose at a 0.5 percent annualized rate after a 1.4 percent fourth-quarter advance, Commerce Department data showed Thursday. The increase was less than the 0.7 percent median projection in a Bloomberg survey and marked the third straight disappointing start to a year." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...in-first-quarter-at-slowest-pace-in-two-years





"OBAMA: Anyone claiming that America's economy is in decline is peddling fiction.”http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...conomy_is_in_decline_is_peddling_fiction.html

The best part is that she honestly believes none of the above would have happened if McCain had been elected.

Such are the minds of the bewildered.

 

[NYcarbineer]

3. To see the roots of 'Liberalism," and its commections to material equality, know this:
"Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist….

See how she calls Joe Biden a Marxist?

A nice guy like Joe...

 

[NYcarbineer]

The fatal flaw in liberal ideology is that they think people should be owned as if they were some cattle or slaves. From that, pretty much all the other failures follow.

.

You should probably have an owner just to protect you from yourself.

Where in all of liberal 'ideology' can you find actual words saying anything resembling the idea that liberals support slavery?

 

[Contumacious]

The fatal flaw in liberal ideology is that they think people should be owned as if they were some cattle or slaves. From that, pretty much all the other failures follow.

No need for long lists when it can all be explained so eloquently in one sentence. Inequality is just one convenient justification for the ownership. It is made especially ironic given the fact that these people do everything in their power to end up poor - in effect causing the problem. The irony..

There is no such thing as "liberalism" - refer to it by its proper nomenclature

left wing fascism/socialism

.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

Wrong. What has long been called the far left is becoming more and more mainstream as progress occurs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The fatal flaw in liberal ideology is that they think people should be owned as if they were some cattle or slaves. From that, pretty much all the other failures follow.

No need for long lists when it can all be explained so eloquently in one sentence. Inequality is just one convenient justification for the ownership. It is made especially ironic given the fact that these people do everything in their power to end up poor - in effect causing the problem. The irony..

There is no such thing as "liberalism" - refer to it by its proper nomenclature

left wing fascism/socialism

.

When you get up the 'L's in your homeschool reading course, you'll find out you are wrong.

 

[edthecynic]

The OP thinks liberals want everyone to have equal incomes and material possessions?

I'm a liberal. I don't want that. Maybe I'm a classical liberal?

A perfect example of the fact that Liberals simply vote Liberal without understanding what it is they are voting for.

As I said earlier, and you just verified....
Liberals march lock step in acceptance of the views of their elites, making them appear more like iron filings in a magnetic field than a thinking human being.

And CON$ervoFascists PROJECT everything about the hate religion of CON$ervoFascism onto Liberals and everything about Liberalism onto the hate religion of CON$ervoFascism. Hence the attempt to pass off Liberalism as CON$ervatism by creating Classical and Modern Liberalism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. ".... political equality inevitably went hand in hand with economic inequality, as the ability and ambition of some people took them further than others. There was no contradiction in that fact.

Political equality has to do with how the government treats individuals.

It says that the government should treat all individuals the same — black or white, man or woman, rich or poor.

But political equality says nothing about the differences that arise through the voluntary decisions of private individuals. Protecting people’s equal rights invariably leads to differences in economic condition, as some people use their freedom to create modest amounts of wealth while others reach the highest levels of financial success."
Fee, Op. Cit.





There is only one way to guarantee equality of outcome...and Modern Liberals is all about this:

Good intentions + Coercion = Solution

Equality of outcomes means coercion and coercion destroys liberty.





8. An example to learn from can be found in the efforts of a scion of Modern Liberalism:
Under the Bolsheviks, ...there was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine, their efforts toward the common good.

September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933,all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained,starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor.He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.



But....they were all materially equal.

 

[Contumacious]

The fatal flaw in liberal ideology is that they think people should be owned as if they were some cattle or slaves. From that, pretty much all the other failures follow.

No need for long lists when it can all be explained so eloquently in one sentence. Inequality is just one convenient justification for the ownership. It is made especially ironic given the fact that these people do everything in their power to end up poor - in effect causing the problem. The irony..

There is no such thing as "liberalism" - refer to it by its proper nomenclature

left wing fascism/socialism

.

When you get up the 'L's in your homeschool reading course, you'll find out you are wrong.

Excuse moi dingleberry


Do you advocate that the GOVERNMENT

1- feed you?
2- clothe you?
3- insure you?
4- pay for your education?
5- quench your thirst
6- manage and finance a gargantuan welfare/warfare police state

Yes, you said

There is no such thing as "liberalism" - refer to it by its proper nomenclature

left wing fascism/socialism

.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Contemporary conservatism's fatal flaw is that it is represented by people like the OP. Its decline in popularity is attributable in large part to its repulsive messengers.

Now, to address the thread specifically, there is a direct correlation. The proliferation of repulsive representatives of conservatism has effectively opened the door for a strong lurch to the left, and that's precisely what we're seeing. Leftists - and I don't mean traditional liberals, I mean hardcore leftists - should thank their lucky stars for conservative talk radio and its faithful and obedient adherents, obviously including the OP. You're getting a valuable assist here.

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

Oooo......based the point that you are struggling to purport, albeit ineffectually.....one can only conclude that you are the board equivalent of Jeb Bush trying to respond to brutal slapping around that I've been forced to administer to you.


Good to see a little life in you.
I attribute same to my efforts.


Bet you'll start to feel better about yourself.....and thank me for it.

And right on cue.
.

I'm not convinced that you are capable of a serious discussion....after all, you've never produced even a single thoughtful post....but, OK...I'll call you on it.

"Contemporary conservatism's fatal flaw is that it is represented by people like the OP."

Classical liberalism, the view of the Founders, and what would be called conservatism today, is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Now....go right ahead and put your foot in your mouth: explain why you have a problem with these doctrines.



Well????

Classical liberalism was based on the flawed theory that government wasn't needed to keep the private sector in line.

As business and industry continued to misbehave to the detriment of the common folk, as the industrial revolution brought out more and more atrocities committed by the capitalists in the name of greed,

modern liberalism emerged, fundamentally based on the idea that business and industry could not be left to their own devices,

and that a democratic government was needed to actively intervene and get them under control

The new liberals were right. The classical liberals, which even PC admits are the modern conservatives, were wrong,

and remain so.

 

[Norman]

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

Wrong. What has long been called the far left is becoming more and more mainstream as progress occurs.

The rising popularity has above all uncovered what massive failures the ideas are. Thus the more scientifically correct term "regressive" and "regression". The regressive people want to take us back to a time when theft and lies were considered the greatest virtue and a way of life. Why? Because that is the only environment where complete losers such as our own NYcarbineer can thrive.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The fatal flaw in liberal ideology is that they think people should be owned as if they were some cattle or slaves. From that, pretty much all the other failures follow.

No need for long lists when it can all be explained so eloquently in one sentence. Inequality is just one convenient justification for the ownership. It is made especially ironic given the fact that these people do everything in their power to end up poor - in effect causing the problem. The irony..

There is no such thing as "liberalism" - refer to it by its proper nomenclature

left wing fascism/socialism

.

When you get up the 'L's in your homeschool reading course, you'll find out you are wrong.

Excuse moi dingleberry


Do you advocate that the GOVERNMENT

1- feed you?
2- clothe you?
3- insure you?
4- pay for your education?
5- quench your thirst
6- manage and finance a gargantuan welfare/warfare police state

Yes, you said

There is no such thing as "liberalism" - refer to it by its proper nomenclature

left wing fascism/socialism

.

NO.

I advocate that government protect the people from private business, industry, capitalism, and all of the abuses that those people are capable of inflicting in the name of profit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

Wrong. What has long been called the far left is becoming more and more mainstream as progress occurs.

The rising popularity has above all uncovered what massive failures the ideas are. Thus the more scientifically correct term "regressive" and "regression". The regressive people want to take us back to a time when theft and lies were considered the greatest virtue and a way of life. Why? Because that is the only environment where complete losers such as our own NYcarbineer can thrive.

Medicaid is a massive failure?

Describe the system that does better.

 

[Norman]

The fatal flaw in liberal ideology is that they think people should be owned as if they were some cattle or slaves. From that, pretty much all the other failures follow.

No need for long lists when it can all be explained so eloquently in one sentence. Inequality is just one convenient justification for the ownership. It is made especially ironic given the fact that these people do everything in their power to end up poor - in effect causing the problem. The irony..

There is no such thing as "liberalism" - refer to it by its proper nomenclature

left wing fascism/socialism

.

When you get up the 'L's in your homeschool reading course, you'll find out you are wrong.

Excuse moi dingleberry


Do you advocate that the GOVERNMENT

1- feed you?
2- clothe you?
3- insure you?
4- pay for your education?
5- quench your thirst
6- manage and finance a gargantuan welfare/warfare police state

Yes, you said

There is no such thing as "liberalism" - refer to it by its proper nomenclature

left wing fascism/socialism

.

NO.

I advocate that government protect the people from private business, industry, capitalism, and all of the abuses that those people are capable of inflicting in the name of profit.

Translation: All of those things and then some more.

Credit is due to the cliched presentation of the boogeymans of the liberal regressive mythology. "The evil corporations" or in other words free people not willing to throw unlimited benefits at your way... never gets old.

 

[there4eyeM]

Someone could point out that, using this logic, 'political equality' leads just as easily to the point where the 'ambition of some people' means buying influence, with resultant inequality.

 

[Pete7469]

Contemporary conservatism's fatal flaw is that it is represented by people like the OP. Its decline in popularity is attributable in large part to its repulsive messengers.

Now, to address the thread specifically, there is a direct correlation. The proliferation of repulsive representatives of conservatism has effectively opened the door for a strong lurch to the left, and that's precisely what we're seeing. Leftists - and I don't mean traditional liberals, I mean hardcore leftists - should thank their lucky stars for conservative talk radio and its faithful and obedient adherents, obviously including the OP. You're getting a valuable assist here.

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

Obviously I'm biased here, but the only repulsive antics I have seen are the moonbats who riot, shit all over and destroy things.

I think your perception is off. Most people are sick of hoods and vandals getting their way because they're willing to destroy other people's shit. The world's richest professional clown is a moonbat, and people who are normally well informed ignore everything negative about him because he says he is going to subjugate and repress their enemies.

Leftists are our enemies. They are not "our countrymen" who just have different ideas about economics and the role of government. These are drones who hate this country. These are weapons grade stupid parrots who mindlessly promote regressive and destructive philosophies. They haven't become stronger, they have become louder and more violent, but they are losing.

As much as I don't like Dump, I have to acknowledge the fact that he is winning in spite of being a liberal piece of shit, is because he is using rhetoric that inspires people who really want to fight these assholes.

The only reason there are so many regressive parasites running around is because good guys wait for green lights. Good guys don't want to go to hell.

The green light is on a timer and it's ticking.